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[eddieoctane]

Taboo-XX wrote...

They won't make a sequel because EA stated they won't make them do it.

I'd expect a spin off. A new direction.

Prequel: no majors choices because we already know exactl where all the decisions will lead. Also, the character will be a total unknown for any measure of customization to remain.

Side story: no major choices for same reason as above, and some may conflict with decisions made in main trilogy.

The player-driven element of Mass Effect is dead without a sequel, though the final decision is going to be negated in some way. Making synthesis inevitable reduces control and destruction to an offhand mention about the reapers dying or helping rebuild. Though I suppose that's par for the course given the way ME2's ending only changes the minimum EMS to unlock the opposite ending in ME3. And don't get me started on refusal. But running with any scenario runs the risk of invalidating the end of ME3. IT is about the only case where people are at least on equal footing for a sequel, though it explicitly invalidates all 3 choices. No matter what, the fanchise in screwed.

[WhiteKnyght]

legion999 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Star kid said synthesis was inevitable. So there you go

And? People say the world will end this year. Doesn't mean they're right.

The catalyst's opinion on Synthesis isn't a prophecy, but a logical conclusion based on eons of studying how organics behave with technology.

So put it plainly, we're always finding smaller and more convenient ways to use technology and accomplish more. In ME's universe, people were already implanting themselves with memory devices, translators, amps, and wearing wrist computers with holographic interface. And genetic modification is also commonplace in ME's lore. So it makes perfect sense that they'd eventually go all the way.

[3DandBeyond]

What is interesting about this is that I don't recall anyone ever saying they spoke directly with anyone from Bioware and hearing them say that synthesis was THE ending.

Every one of these that I've seen has been about someone's brother or sister or friend talking to Jessica and Jessica saying it. You know, I'm not going to bash Jessica here and not saying she never said this, but I think she is doing her job in doing so. I think what she's been doing has been misunderstood by all, including me. What does BW dislike? Leaks. What have they been doing in DLC? Leaking info. Some things don't end up being true. There is some Leviathan text in the EC that I don't believe ever made it to the DLC.

What might be going on? Look at the fact Mac Walters said the galaxy would be a wasteland after ME3 and now it's not. And he and Casey said they never intended it to be when the EC was released and now it isn't. I always thought they just wanted us to seem like idiots, but maybe something else is happening. Maybe it's purposeful misdirection. Maybe they know that all of us are trying to find out everything before they release it, so they are releasing things to make us think one thing and then doing another.

If you look back this seems to be a lot of what has happened. I might even go so far as to say that maybe in fact the original endings were a part of that. They wanted ME3 to be big and be remembered, but it may have backfired out of control and may have been misunderstood. And if you think about it they've done this kind of thing even all over inside the games. In ME1, Shepard's dead-nope. They were going to kill off Shepard at one point and have a new hero. They didn't. In ME2, Shepard dies at the beginning. Yep, but alive again. You have to do bad things to gain the loyalty of people. Nope, you can do something better if you work hard at it. You lose loyalty and can't do anything about it. Nope, you can regain it or avoid losing it. It's a suicide mission and you lose people, crew members or teammates or Shepard. Nope. You can save them. In ME3, poor Grunt dies. Nope. He's alive. And you can even go back and find a way to save Mordin or not.

I'm just saying it might be that they've used some misdirection in the game and are using it outside of the game too. The torso is alive, no dead, no ambiguous. And no way does it make sense that synthesis will someday automatically happen so we might as well embrace it now with reaper tech and live reapers for the next story.

Not everything may be misdirection, but this might be.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 20 septembre 2012 - 05:54 .

[3DandBeyond]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Star kid said synthesis was inevitable. So there you go

And? People say the world will end this year. Doesn't mean they're right.

The catalyst's opinion on Synthesis isn't a prophecy, but a logical conclusion based on eons of studying how organics behave with technology.

So put it plainly, we're always finding smaller and more convenient ways to use technology and accomplish more. In ME's universe, people were already implanting themselves with memory devices, translators, amps, and wearing wrist computers with holographic interface. And genetic modification is also commonplace in ME's lore. So it makes perfect sense that they'd eventually go all the way.

Not considering that not everyone would want to have this happen.  In ME there are people that don't want implants of any kind so I doubt they'd say as long as they're tiny it's ok.

And please do explain how synthetics are ever given full understanding of organics (which no longer would exist as described by synthesis). 

The catalyst's opinion is anything he knows about that is possible is inevitable.  The catalyst is a warped little program created by the most incompetent advanced species ever.  The geth may have been a mistake on some level, but a least they have nuanced opinions on things and not just some "it must happen" ideas.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:01 .

[Ithurael]

I think that Jessica stated she believes that synthesis is inevitable - not canon. It is ok to believe in something.

[iSousek]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Star kid said synthesis was inevitable. So there you go

And? People say the world will end this year. Doesn't mean they're right.

The catalyst's opinion on Synthesis isn't a prophecy, but a logical conclusion based on eons of studying how organics behave with technology.

So put it plainly, we're always finding smaller and more convenient ways to use technology and accomplish more. In ME's universe, people were already implanting themselves with memory devices, translators, amps, and wearing wrist computers with holographic interface. And genetic modification is also commonplace in ME's lore. So it makes perfect sense that they'd eventually go all the way.

Actually not. His cycles made sure that civilization's never really reach the stage where he could reach the conclusion of synthesis. Meaning, this is nothing something he studied, this is just something he saw as viable to solve his imaginary conflict. He never researched it because he killed his experiment subjects. Basically, he just had a hypothesis.

Also, sythesis is not really logical conclusion of augumentations, genetic engneering or other transhuman technologies. All of those upgrade the organic system with artificial components, while synthesis changes the organic system as such.

[SCJ90]

Well.... this is a deal breker for me, the BW staff can take their ME4 and stuff it somewhere the sun does'nt shine

[eddieoctane]

Ithurael wrote...

I think that Jessica stated she believes that synthesis is inevitable - not canon. It is ok to believe in something.

Some people believe exercising freedom of speech is grounds for mass murder. Is that OK?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The fact that this thread went 10 pages shows how repulsive the idea of synthesis is at this time to the majority of BSN. It also shows a ME game based on a synthesis canon would fail. Nice troll, OP. You had me for a moment.

I keep saying the next ME games will be third person shooters based on ODST and Reach (I'll go with Rannoch starring Kal'Reegar w/ Adam Baldwin since Reegar dies). You want prequels? There's your prequels. Role playing doesn't matter in prequels since we already know the outcome. You don't want role playing in a prequel to mess with the story line anyway. Instead 4-player online co-op campaign, w/ 4 player co-op horde mode, and 12 player vs. mode.

However you want First Contact War? It will be a Third Person Shooter, not a RPG. We know what happened, and we don't want you screwing with the history.

A prequel could be a RPG, but don't expect your that choices will matter. You can't screw up the history. They will be linear with a fixed ending, where you may need to win your part of the battle, but it has no affect on the overall outcome of the history. Or you will play the role of someone pretty insignificant who dies just as the war is ending.

This is why a prequel won't sell very well as a RPG, but will as a shooter.

[Ieldra]

3DandBeyond wrote...
I'm just saying it might be that they've used some misdirection in the game and are using it outside of the game too. The torso is alive, no dead, no ambiguous. And no way does it make sense that synthesis will someday automatically happen so we might as well embrace it now with reaper tech and live reapers for the next story

Actually, the opposite is true. If Synthesis happens anyway, why then pay the price of forcing it on the galaxy? If that's the scenario, I'm going to retroactively choose Control, because in that ending at least nothing immediately objectionable happens. Not that I wouldn't like stories in that future, but an inevitable Synthesized future would make choosing Synthesis at the end of ME3 pointless.

And no, Synthesis is not about implanting everyone with Reaper tech. That's just your interpretation.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:37 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

eddieoctane wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

I think that Jessica stated she believes that synthesis is inevitable - not canon. It is ok to believe in something.

Some people believe exercising freedom of speech is grounds for mass murder. Is that OK?

Comparing the ending of a video-game to mass-murder? Really??

You people are frickin insane.

[salv12]

Synthesis doesnt need to be the canon ending, they could pull a deus ex and try to combine different parts of the endings? Maybe something like shepard chose destroy, reapers were destroyed and shepard sacrifices himself to give organics some synthetic "dna" and synthetics organic dna. but theyre not "perfect" like they would be in synthesis. They would still be their own person and conflict can still occur between the races. something along those lines

[eddieoctane]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

eddieoctane wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

I think that Jessica stated she believes that synthesis is inevitable - not canon. It is ok to believe in something.

Some people believe exercising freedom of speech is grounds for mass murder. Is that OK?

Comparing the ending of a video-game to mass-murder? Really??

You people are frickin insane.

1: that was just me. Not everyone here was making that point. Don't lump people together just because none of them like the idea of synthesis being de facto canon.

2: My point was that there is such a thing as a wrong belief. Beliefs can easily be stupid to the point of actually jeopardizing the survival of the species. Maybe canonizing synthesis doesn't cost human lives, but it does thoroughly destroy the future of Mass Effect. A bad belief is bad, and Jessica Merizan has a bad belief.

[Ruined the Franchise]

This is everything wrong with mass effect

[teh DRUMPf!!]

eddieoctane wrote...

1: that was just me. Not everyone here was making that point. Don't lump people together just because none of them like the idea of synthesis being de facto canon.

When you echo the over-the-top attitude that the majority of this site's users have so perfectly, then I can see fit to lump you people together as one thing: the LCD of this site.
 

eddieoctane wrote...

2: My point was that there is such a thing as a wrong belief. Beliefs can easily be stupid to the point of actually jeopardizing the survival of the species. Maybe canonizing synthesis doesn't cost human lives, but it does thoroughly destroy the future of Mass Effect. A bad belief is bad, and Jessica Merizan has a bad belief.

Wow. You still don't get it. It's one thing for someone to have a belief that you simply don't agree with, as a fan of a game. It's another thing entirely for someone to have a belief that is pure evil, immoral, and worthy of severe punishment.

They. Are. Not. Comparable.

[3DandBeyond]

Ieldra2 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...
I'm just saying it might be that they've used some misdirection in the game and are using it outside of the game too. The torso is alive, no dead, no ambiguous. And no way does it make sense that synthesis will someday automatically happen so we might as well embrace it now with reaper tech and live reapers for the next story

Actually, the opposite is true. If Synthesis happens anyway, why then pay the price of forcing it on the galaxy? If that's the scenario, I'm going to retroactively choose Control, because in that ending at least nothing immediately objectionable happens. Not that I wouldn't like stories in that future, but an inevitable Synthesized future would make choosing Synthesis at the end of ME3 pointless.

And no, Synthesis is not about implanting everyone with Reaper tech. That's just your interpretation.

Ok, I know you love synthesis and that's fine, but the kid says people will be fully integrated with synthetic technology.  That's pretty clear.  And that tech has to come from somewhere.  What tech is there that the kid or the citadel would have access to?  It is pretty clear where the synthetic tech comes from unless you think it was brought in on big trucks (LOL) full of synthetic material to be dispensed throughout the galaxy by magical space beams.  It's perhaps the same thing they do to create reapers from organic matter (the goo) in the first place.  And it clearly shows DNA strands being altered with tech right as EDI starts talking.

The kid says, "now that we know it is possible, it is inevitable that WE shall reach synthesis."  This indicates that synthesis is not being done for people, but for the reapers.  And it's inevitable for them.  It isn't some inevitability for people because again it disregards people that never wanted tech augmentation in the first place.

You can't seriously have a canon ending as one that has live reapers and reaper variants in it and ever consider doing a sequel.  Because at some point you have to then explain away or get rid of the reapers, because if any story is done, it is any story with reapers in it.  They have been neutered and are so meaningless.

If the reapers exist no one can ever threaten the galaxy again.  And since ME is about fighting and not about planting gardens and peace all over the place, there has to be something bad that happens that reapers can't be there to fix.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:41 .

[Zardoc]

So, a random user's brother heard it from the most unreliable source in this matter? Seems legit.

[Zardoc]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Star kid said synthesis was inevitable. So there you go

And? People say the world will end this year. Doesn't mean they're right.

The catalyst's opinion on Synthesis isn't a prophecy, but a logical conclusion based on eons of studying how organics behave with technology.

So put it plainly, we're always finding smaller and more convenient ways to use technology and accomplish more. In ME's universe, people were already implanting themselves with memory devices, translators, amps, and wearing wrist computers with holographic interface. And genetic modification is also commonplace in ME's lore. So it makes perfect sense that they'd eventually go all the way.

That only means a proper union between man and machine is inevitable (and lets be honest, it is). Synthesis, as it is in ME3, isn't.

[3DandBeyond]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

eddieoctane wrote...

1: that was just me. Not everyone here was making that point. Don't lump people together just because none of them like the idea of synthesis being de facto canon.

When you echo the over-the-top attitude that the majority of this site's users have so perfectly, then I can see fit to lump you people together as one thing: the LCD of this site.
 

eddieoctane wrote...

2: My point was that there is such a thing as a wrong belief. Beliefs can easily be stupid to the point of actually jeopardizing the survival of the species. Maybe canonizing synthesis doesn't cost human lives, but it does thoroughly destroy the future of Mass Effect. A bad belief is bad, and Jessica Merizan has a bad belief.

Wow. You still don't get it. It's one thing for someone to have a belief that you simply don't agree with, as a fan of a game. It's another thing entirely for someone to have a belief that is pure evil, immoral, and worthy of severe punishment.

They. Are. Not. Comparable.

You are way out of line here.  That was his statement alone and not the attitude of a majority of people on this site.  That is irresponsible and I don't condone anything that equates what JM said to what he said. 

He may have put the two together in a very bad way and the wrong way, but what did you just do?  You put all of us into a category saying that we somehow do equate her with something evil.  That is not so. 

You are pulling others into this who in no way were a party to it and accusing the majority (I guess even those that agree with you) of having this opinion.  Disgusting.  Ever heard of the 47%?

And sure yes, she has every right to her opinion.  She can believe anything and should not be compared to something evil at all.  Just to be clear on this. 

[3DandBeyond]

Zardoc wrote...

So, a random user's brother heard it from the most unreliable source in this matter? Seems legit.

Yes, this is about the 3rd or 4th version of this that I've heard.  It was someone's sister before and so on.  And I think JM is just doing her job.  I think there is an idea to try to mislead a bit (not so much as I previously stated) with the endings so that there's still an element of surprise or ambiguity about it all.  Remember, they (and I think JM) also have said IT isn't possible and it is and the like.  I don't think it's done with bad intent, but it has some adverse effects here.

[M Hedonist]

Oh wow, people still treat Jessica Merizan as a reliable source? And this isn't even a direct quote or anything. Ridiculous.

[Icesong]

Sauruz wrote...

Oh wow, people still treat Jessica Merizan as a reliable source? And this isn't even a direct quote or anything. Ridiculous.

Jessica "The Normandy Crashed  On Mars" Merizan has never led us astray!

[Reap_ii]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

I'm calling ball on this for two raisins:
1 - lack of credibility from original sauce
2 - lack of credibility from secondary sauce

thread shouldn't have gotten passed the first page.  speculation is like a disease around here.

[Ieldra]

I don't believe the rumor at this point, but...

...well, to be honest - if it happened, I would lean back and be very satisfied to see those who poured all that excessive hate on the Synthesis supporters go up in flames of their own making.

Yeah, I'm vindictive.