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[T-Raks]

I don't believe that. Synthesis is such a bad idea.

[T-Raks]

Dendio1 wrote...

Star kid said synthesis was inevitable. So there you go

And my Shepard didn't bite.

[legion999]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I don't believe the rumor at this point, but...

...well, to be honest - if it happened, I would lean back and be very satisfied to see those who poured all that excessive hate on the Synthesis supporters go up in flames of their own making.

Yeah, I'm vindictive.

...How does that work exactly? Would we all combust suddenly at the mere thought of something like Synthesis becoming canon?

[thebigbad1013]

IF this is actually true, which seems to be far from confirmed at this point, and the next game is set after ME3 with synthesis in full effect...then I likely won't buy the game. There's a reason my Shepard said hell no to that horrible, horrible notion.

[Ieldra]

legion999 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I don't believe the rumor at this point, but...

...well, to be honest - if it happened, I would lean back and be very satisfied to see those who poured all that excessive hate on the Synthesis supporters go up in flames of their own making.

Yeah, I'm vindictive.

...How does that work exactly? Would we all combust suddenly at the mere thought of something like Synthesis becoming canon?

If you don't believe it, just look into the relevant threads of today. It's like religious fundamentalists reacting to a gross "blasphemy" of their god, and my empathy for those tends to be rather limited.

[o Ventus]

Ieldra2 wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I don't believe the rumor at this point, but...

...well, to be honest - if it happened, I would lean back and be very satisfied to see those who poured all that excessive hate on the Synthesis supporters go up in flames of their own making.

Yeah, I'm vindictive.

...How does that work exactly? Would we all combust suddenly at the mere thought of something like Synthesis becoming canon?

If you don't believe it, just look into the relevant threads of today. It's like religious fundamentalists reacting to a gross "blasphemy" of their god, and my empathy for those tends to be rather limited.

Aaaaaaand there goes your credibility, just for making that comparison.

Modifié par o Ventus, 20 septembre 2012 - 08:34 .

[Robhuzz]

Ah well, Mass Effect died with the ending to ME3 anyway. This news (if it's even true, which I doubt. Not even EAWare are stupid enough to spit in the fans' faces AGAIN) really doesn't change anything.

I don't believe that. Synthesis is such a bad idea. 

True that. It almost makes the destruction and control endings seem good by comparison. If they were to add a canon version there's no real reason why they'd pick the most ridiculous of 3 craptastic endings....right?

Hmm it's EAWare now...I guess everything is possible..

Modifié par Robhuzz, 20 septembre 2012 - 08:38 .

[legion999]

Ieldra2 wrote...

legion999 wrote...

...How does that work exactly? Would we all combust suddenly at the mere thought of something like Synthesis becoming canon?

If you don't believe it, just look into the relevant threads of today. It's like religious fundamentalists reacting to a gross "blasphemy" of their god, and my empathy for those tends to be rather limited.

Well it looks like anti enders aren't the only ones to come up with ridculous comparisons.

[Ieldra]

o Ventus wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I don't believe the rumor at this point, but...

...well, to be honest - if it happened, I would lean back and be very satisfied to see those who poured all that excessive hate on the Synthesis supporters go up in flames of their own making.

Yeah, I'm vindictive.

...How does that work exactly? Would we all combust suddenly at the mere thought of something like Synthesis becoming canon?

If you don't believe it, just look into the relevant threads of today. It's like religious fundamentalists reacting to a gross "blasphemy" of their god, and my empathy for those tends to be rather limited.

Aaaaaaand there goes your credibility, just for making that comparison.

I stick by it. I go by the emotional tone. If you sound as if you think Synthesis supporters are insane or evil, then you deserve the comparison, and there have been quite a few of those. Some have outright said it. You think I should feel sorry that those may not get what they want? They wrote themselves out of deserving any kind of empathy from me.

For the record: I don't want a canon ending. It would be unfair to a great many people. No thanks to certain people on BSN though.

@legion999:
I don't mean all who dislike Synthesis, in case you hadn't noticed. Just a certain subset. And if I wanted, I could support my comparison with studies in social psychology. Too much work though. Isn't worth the effort.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 septembre 2012 - 08:49 .

[dsl08002]

that is just terrible absoloutley terrible.

i would be ashamed if someone actually gave that a thought

[Dark Delta 06]

LOL tried reading the OP post.... couldn´t get much... so basically it says Synthesis is canon?
Is this true or just a rumor? .. Soo confused lool

[Ieldra]

Dark Delta 06 wrote...
LOL tried reading the OP post.... couldn´t get much... so basically it says Synthesis is canon?
Is this true or just a rumor? .. Soo confused lool

No, it doesn't say Synthesis is canon. It says Synthesis will happen anyway. If you choose Destroy, the Reapers will be destroyed, yet Synthesis will happen in time. And I don't understand why people dislike the idea since it would happen more naturally and at a more organic pace, without anyone forcing it on everyone at some specific point in time.

And it's a rumor.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 septembre 2012 - 09:07 .

[Dark Delta 06]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Dark Delta 06 wrote...
LOL tried reading the OP post.... couldn´t get much... so basically it says Synthesis is canon?
Is this true or just a rumor? .. Soo confused lool

No, it doesn't say Synthesis is canon. It says Synthesis will happen anyway. If you choose Destroy, the Reapers will be destroyed, yet Synthesis will happen in time. And I don't understand why people dislike the idea since it would happen more naturally and at a more organic pace, without anyone forcing it on everyone at some specific point in time.

And it's a rumor.

Thanks!

I don´t really like too much synthesis, I have too agree with IT supporters its the kind of choice saren would make.
But hey, just saw this thread tought some news on me4 had came out..

[AlanC9]

legion999 wrote...

...How does that work exactly? Would we all combust suddenly at the mere thought of something like Synthesis becoming canon?

I was thinking more along the lines of exploding heads.

[Dharvy]

I kind of understand where Ieldra2 is coming from. So many seem to act like the very thought of synthesis is repulsive even if its done on an individual level. IF it was later implemented in a Control or Destroy ending than it would have been an individual choice.

They could always do various dialogues in ME4 as say someone from a Synthesis ending vs someone from a Control or Destroy ending. Pretty much like a Wrex and Wreav thing or dealing with synthetics getting understanding or emotions they could do something similar as with ME3 Legion and the geth that replace Legion in the scene. They could always change the visuals of a Synthesis ending with a few lines about people changing their appearance or over time everything somehow took a more natural look so it looks no different from a Destroy or Control ending. Synthesis could be in a Destroy or Control ending it just don't need to be galaxy wide.

This is all speculation I know but in a ME4 I wonder if they somehow give a reason for the Reapers forces being absent even in a Synthesis or Control ending because of the Destroy ending would those enders react like so many seem to act if a form of synthesis end up in their ending?

[wright1978]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Dark Delta 06 wrote...
LOL tried reading the OP post.... couldn´t get much... so basically it says Synthesis is canon?
Is this true or just a rumor? .. Soo confused lool

No, it doesn't say Synthesis is canon. It says Synthesis will happen anyway. If you choose Destroy, the Reapers will be destroyed, yet Synthesis will happen in time. And I don't understand why people dislike the idea since it would happen more naturally and at a more organic pace, without anyone forcing it on everyone at some specific point in time.

And it's a rumor.

I dislike the idea because i intensely dislike the idea of railroading all other ending choices into the synthesis ending. Basically going other endings are worthless because synthesis will happen anyway.

[The Twilight God]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

The Catalyst did say "Now that we know it is possible, it is inevitable that we will reach synthesis.

The Crucible and Shep's sacrifice just gives it a head start.

It also says all synthetics will be targeted and that turned out to be a lie. It also kills everyone if you don't use the Crucible, effectively negating the inevitability factor. Oh and the Reaper destroy the Crucible if Shepard dallies for too long without making a choice. The Kid is full of sh*t.

[Ieldra]

@wright1978:
As a rule I don't want a canon ending. Any canon ending. I was just speculating about how the rumor was likely meant if it was true, and that it might work on some level.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 septembre 2012 - 09:28 .

[GreyReaver]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Dark Delta 06 wrote...
LOL tried reading the OP post.... couldn´t get much... so basically it says Synthesis is canon?
Is this true or just a rumor? .. Soo confused lool

No, it doesn't say Synthesis is canon. It says Synthesis will happen anyway. If you choose Destroy, the Reapers will be destroyed, yet Synthesis will happen in time. And I don't understand why people dislike the idea since it would happen more naturally and at a more organic pace, without anyone forcing it on everyone at some specific point in time.

And it's a rumor.

I've said this before in this thread; "If synthesis is going to happend eventually and is therefore, ineveitable.  How can you say it isn't cannon?"  Please explain how synthesis' inevitablility doesn't make it cannon?

[ShepnTali]

If synthesis is the antagonist, it could work.

Modifié par ShepnTali, 20 septembre 2012 - 09:35 .

[wright1978]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@wright1978:
As a rule I don't want a canon ending. Any canon ending. I was just speculating about how the rumor was likely meant if it was true, and that it might work on some level.

Don't mind them picking any one of the endings as the default setting of a future game. Just very anti any element of grabbing the disparate ending and folding them into one. Would annoy me as the Galactic dark age BS hinted at in the original ending. Honestly think it was most likely a poorly articulated throwaway remark from Merizan.

Modifié par wright1978, 20 septembre 2012 - 09:37 .

[Wayning_Star]

Dharvy wrote...

I kind of understand where Ieldra2 is coming from. So many seem to act like the very thought of synthesis is repulsive even if its done on an individual level. IF it was later implemented in a Control or Destroy ending than it would have been an individual choice.

They could always do various dialogues in ME4 as say someone from a Synthesis ending vs someone from a Control or Destroy ending. Pretty much like a Wrex and Wreav thing or dealing with synthetics getting understanding or emotions they could do something similar as with ME3 Legion and the geth that replace Legion in the scene. They could always change the visuals of a Synthesis ending with a few lines about people changing their appearance or over time everything somehow took a more natural look so it looks no different from a Destroy or Control ending. Synthesis could be in a Destroy or Control ending it just don't need to be galaxy wide.

This is all speculation I know but in a ME4 I wonder if they somehow give a reason for the Reapers forces being absent even in a Synthesis or Control ending because of the Destroy ending would those enders react like so many seem to act if a form of synthesis end up in their ending?

What I gather from all the static is that many just post to see what their post has an effect on the game. Other post because they want to control what effect they have on the game. Many distort the actualities to get that/those reactions. Any synthesis post acts like a bug attracting porch light. If you look back through the posts here, including the OP post, with "usher in a new synthetic order" as in some facist regime= synthesis choosers. And they'll stop at nothing to prevent that choice as canon..kind of open mindedness.

I'm to the point the anti synthesis posters are members of a subculture..

[devSin]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Source or it didn't happen

Here is the post.

Not somebody heard from somebody; "I was there and this is what she said to me".

Note that she's speaking for the team when talking about synthesis, not giving her own opinion.

Now you can make the case that Jessica is not exactly reliable, but I actually believe this. It's not something she would offer up if it weren't indeed true (and she spent a whole week or two up in Canada before the extended cut was released, where she met with Casey and Mac and the team), and it tracks with the way they have presented synthesis in the game (both release and in the extended cut). We also know that everybody on the team who has expressed a preference (from Mike to Patrick to Jos) has come out in support of synthesis. (You can also clearly tell when Jessica is just winging it—the ridiculous answer about how Shepard lives and even where that scene occurs, which she just has to fabricate nonsense since there truly is no answer to those questions.)

Synthesis is the ending for ME3. You don't have to pick it, but it is what will happen. You can live under the delusion that you made some principled stand against this repugnant idea, that you have given the galaxy a way forward to determine its own future, but when the next game comes (that's set in the future), you'll be revealed to have made a meaningless decision that only forestalled the inevitable and served only to cause needless loss and strife.

FFZero wrote...

Jessica pretty much said the endings we have are 100% final and if we think anything will be added to the endings after the final choice then we have misunderstood things. She equated the ending of ME3 to Schrödinger's cat, it can be IT or it can be literal, neither is right or wrong. She also said something I find quite disturbing. The reason why Synthesis is seen as the best ending by some BW people is the fact that like the Starbrat says, it is inevitable. Synthesis will happen sooner or later. She said if they were to set a Mass Effect game in the future Synthesis will have taken place, either as a consequence of Shepard’s choice or because it’s naturally occurred.

Modifié par devSin, 20 septembre 2012 - 09:48 .

[3DandBeyond]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I don't believe the rumor at this point, but...

...well, to be honest - if it happened, I would lean back and be very satisfied to see those who poured all that excessive hate on the Synthesis supporters go up in flames of their own making.

Yeah, I'm vindictive.

That's the spirit. 

Of course the fact that that might also mean that any ME based on that is likely to go down in flames as well is probably lost on you here.

However, let's get our happy wish lists going.
I wish for a canon good destroy or good refuse ending on which a sequel would be based.  Then. let's see who comes out and piles on the unhappiness at a game beginning.  Shall we call them oh, beginning haters and tell them, "it's Bioware's story and this is how they want to tell it"?  No, no, I say we show them that hate is inappropriate use for a game.  And it's an inappropriate name for people who dislike a game's beginning. 

Why not appreciate people for the 97- 99% of the games that they loved.  I say they are ME lovers that have a dislike for forced alteration of the DNA of all organic life (let's all eat tech) and synthetics that can all of a sudden through some unknown process gain full understanding of organics (which no longer would exist).  Let's all sing and join hands as we join the robot race.

[Dharvy]

wright1978 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Dark Delta 06 wrote...
LOL tried reading the OP post.... couldn´t get much... so basically it says Synthesis is canon?
Is this true or just a rumor? .. Soo confused lool

No, it doesn't say Synthesis is canon. It says Synthesis will happen anyway. If you choose Destroy, the Reapers will be destroyed, yet Synthesis will happen in time. And I don't understand why people dislike the idea since it would happen more naturally and at a more organic pace, without anyone forcing it on everyone at some specific point in time.

And it's a rumor.

I dislike the idea because i intensely dislike the idea of railroading all other ending choices into the synthesis ending. Basically going other endings are worthless because synthesis will happen anyway.

No that not really what it means. Its no different than having a reason the Reaper forces are gone for a Synthesis or Control ending because of the Destroy ending. 

So in other words you pick or someone picked Destroy or Control so as to prevent the Galaxy or certain races or individuals from ever coming up with a way to implement a form of synthesis, even if its done on their own? Is that the only reason people picked Destroy or Control and their ending is ruined now because a form of synthesis could be in it?