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[The Night Mammoth]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

I'm calling ball on this for two raisins:
1 - lack of credibility from original sauce
2 - lack of credibility from secondary sauce

This post is the greetest. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 21 septembre 2012 - 12:51 .

[devSin]

ohupthis wrote...

HOW DARE YOU!!

You may not like it, but it's hard to deny that it really is the message they're sending.

Synthesis is the correct choice according to BioWare. They won't castigate you for choosing differently (at least not yet), but that doesn't mean you didn't make the wrong choice.

Thank you for playing BioWare's Mass Effect! Make sure you collect your principles on the way out.

Modifié par devSin, 21 septembre 2012 - 01:15 .

[o Ventus]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

I'm calling ball on this for two raisins:
1 - lack of credibility from original sauce
2 - lack of credibility from secondary sauce

This post is the greetest. 

For no raisin?

[devSin]

o Ventus wrote...

For no raisin?

Nah, I'm sure there's lots of raisins.

I'd steak my life on it.

Modifié par devSin, 21 septembre 2012 - 01:17 .

[Fingertrip]

Synthesis would have happend eventually. Can't people pay any attention? That means regardless of control or destroy, it will occur. And it will happend in real-life as well. The question is when.

#GetEducated

[The Night Mammoth]

o Ventus wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

I'm calling ball on this for two raisins:
1 - lack of credibility from original sauce
2 - lack of credibility from secondary sauce

This post is the greetest. 

For no raisin?

Am winning again. 

[neilthecellist]

Mass Effect 3 never happened.

[BearlyHere]

neilthecellist wrote...

Mass Effect 3 never happened.

I wish, then I'd have my $70 back.

[zambot]

It doesn't matter. ME4 will be about Andersen; much of it takes place in London.

[SpamBot2000]

Uh yeah, it is 'inevitable' that when you go for a walk in the park, the tree leaves will rustle with circuitry in the breeze and the grass will crunch under your feet. Lay off the pipe alreaydy pls. Drugs are bad, mmmkay?

[OblivionDawn]

An unreliable source, claiming to have been told something by an unreliable source.

No dice.

Modifié par OblivionDawn, 21 septembre 2012 - 06:37 .

[FOX216BC]

If this turns out true this will mean no Shepard.
For me Mass Effect is Shepard.
But that's just me.

[Ieldra]

GreyReaver wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Dark Delta 06 wrote...
LOL tried reading the OP post.... couldn´t get much... so basically it says Synthesis is canon?
Is this true or just a rumor? .. Soo confused lool

No, it doesn't say Synthesis is canon. It says Synthesis will happen anyway. If you choose Destroy, the Reapers will be destroyed, yet Synthesis will happen in time. And I don't understand why people dislike the idea since it would happen more naturally and at a more organic pace, without anyone forcing it on everyone at some specific point in time.

And it's a rumor.

I've said this before in this thread; "If synthesis is going to happend eventually and is therefore, ineveitable.  How can you say it isn't cannon?"  Please explain how synthesis' inevitablility doesn't make it cannon?

"Synthesis is canon" would mean that the sequel assumes the player had taken the Synthesis option. Which would mean, all the consequences of that decision would happen.

"Synthesis happens anyway" means that some form of Synthesis has happened in the timeline between the end of ME3 and the start of the sequel, but neither does it imply that Shepard chose Synthesis nor does it imply the other consequences of the ME3 Synthesis decision - notably, "Reapers are set free and helped rebuild" - have happened as well.

What every decision for a unified sequel scenario does is remove the long-term impact of ME3's final choice, making it appear pointless in the long run. You chose Destroy? The Reapers are gone in the sequel regardless of your choice, so you sacrificed the geth for nothing. You chose Control? Uh....there is a myth that Shepard's mind resides in the Citadel, but if it exists, it has so little open impact that it might as well not exist. And the Reapers are gone. You chose Synthesis? It happened anyway, so you might have spared yourself forcing it on the galaxy.

[Helios969]

Fingertrip wrote...

Synthesis would have happend eventually. Can't people pay any attention? That means regardless of control or destroy, it will occur. And it will happend in real-life as well. The question is when.

#GetEducated

WTF??? How's it gonna happen in "real life"? Some superhuman soldier is gonna share his/her special essence with a dark energy machine to bond all organic and synthetic life into one framework? One species may choose to begin augmenting themselves, but it will be a very gradual process that starts with choice. There will never be a magic button that turns everyone the same. That assumes there are more sentient beings in the galaxy other than humans and/or humans survive long enough to accomplish synthetic bonding at a cellular level (if it's even possible). And any such future would almost certainly lead to conflict between the "cyborgs" and the "pure bloods."

[res27772]

Xellith wrote...

Synthesis cannot happen in any future games - otherwise it will just mean that the ending choice of ME3 is about as important as the ending choice of ME1 and ME2.

As I said elsewhere, it doesn't matter what our opinions are, they'll just do whatever the f' they want with it.  The fact the so called "choices" we made through all three games made absolutely no difference in the end proves that.  They know where they're going to take it, and come hell or high water, that's where they're gonna go.

[ElSuperGecko]

Fingertrip wrote...
Synthesis would have happend eventually. Can't people pay any attention? That means regardless of control or destroy, it will occur. And it will happend in real-life as well. The question is when.

#GetEducated

LOL.  No.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

If Bioware goes down this line they are taking a hell of a chance with the franchise due to the fact that synthesis was pretty much rejected by the great majority of players. They will have lost me that is for certain. There is only so much bull**** I'll believe.

[Dharvy]

Ieldra2 wrote...

GreyReaver wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Dark Delta 06 wrote...
LOL tried reading the OP post.... couldn´t get much... so basically it says Synthesis is canon?
Is this true or just a rumor? .. Soo confused lool

No, it doesn't say Synthesis is canon. It says Synthesis will happen anyway. If you choose Destroy, the Reapers will be destroyed, yet Synthesis will happen in time. And I don't understand why people dislike the idea since it would happen more naturally and at a more organic pace, without anyone forcing it on everyone at some specific point in time.

And it's a rumor.

I've said this before in this thread; "If synthesis is going to happend eventually and is therefore, ineveitable.  How can you say it isn't cannon?"  Please explain how synthesis' inevitablility doesn't make it cannon?

"Synthesis is canon" would mean that the sequel assumes the player had taken the Synthesis option. Which would mean, all the consequences of that decision would happen.

"Synthesis happens anyway" means that some form of Synthesis has happened in the timeline between the end of ME3 and the start of the sequel, but neither does it imply that Shepard chose Synthesis nor does it imply the other consequences of the ME3 Synthesis decision - notably, "Reapers are set free and helped rebuild" - have happened as well.

What every decision for a unified sequel scenario does is remove the long-term impact of ME3's final choice, making it appear pointless in the long run. You chose Destroy? The Reapers are gone in the sequel regardless of your choice, so you sacrificed the geth for nothing. You chose Control? Uh....there is a myth that Shepard's mind resides in the Citadel, but if it exists, it has so little open impact that it might as well not exist. And the Reapers are gone. You chose Synthesis? It happened anyway, so you might have spared yourself forcing it on the galaxy.

Exactly what a unified sequel scenario would have to intel to continue the story without making to many drastic changes from one game to the next. And this would pretty much be the same as from ME1 to ME2 your ending council choice matter how to the continuity of the game? And the ending choice in ME2 with the Collector base mattered how much with ME3? The ending choices could matter but they can't matter so much that they make the games plot different from one game to the next.

But they could pull it off with the dialogue among other differences. A Destroy import could just have replacement Geth and maybe a descendant or two of Shepard if you have a LI. Control could have several scenes with you getting help or speaking with Catalyst Shepard in the Citadel. A Synthesis import could probably get some benefit from past cycles, a more advanced EDI and Geth. Or whatever.

Just saying they can make the ending choices matter in small or medium ways and I won't mind if I pick a Destroy or Control ending and have a little synthesis in the next game or if I picked Control or Synthesis and have no Reapers in the next game. So I don't know why many seem so distraught at the idea.

[wright1978]

Ieldra2 wrote...

"Synthesis is canon" would mean that the sequel assumes the player had taken the Synthesis option. Which would mean, all the consequences of that decision would happen.

"Synthesis happens anyway" means that some form of Synthesis has happened in the timeline between the end of ME3 and the start of the sequel, but neither does it imply that Shepard chose Synthesis nor does it imply the other consequences of the ME3 Synthesis decision - notably, "Reapers are set free and helped rebuild" - have happened as well.

What every decision for a unified sequel scenario does is remove the long-term impact of ME3's final choice, making it appear pointless in the long run. You chose Destroy? The Reapers are gone in the sequel regardless of your choice, so you sacrificed the geth for nothing. You chose Control? Uh....there is a myth that Shepard's mind resides in the Citadel, but if it exists, it has so little open impact that it might as well not exist. And the Reapers are gone. You chose Synthesis? It happened anyway, so you might have spared yourself forcing it on the galaxy.

The 1st option would leave me open to being convinved that the story they wish to tell in their default universe would be of interest to me.

The 2nd option would invalidate my ending to ME3 and would leave the only thing they would likely get from me is angry bile.

[Ieldra]

So, wright1978, you'd rather have a canon ending that isn't yours than a unified ending?

[wright1978]

Ieldra2 wrote...

So, wright1978, you'd rather have a canon ending that isn't yours than a unified ending?

Yep i fully accept the limitations of maintaining a personalised universe for the player going forward. Unifying and negating all choices into a homegenised mess is not acceptable to me as a way forward. Choosing a default universe(call it canon if you want) is no different to the default setting that exists in ME3 for new players. My parrallel Shepverse isn't mangled in the process.

[dorktainian]

i've got an idea for canon..... pointed at the person who thought war assets would be a good idea.

[RiptideX1090]

wright1978 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

So, wright1978, you'd rather have a canon ending that isn't yours than a unified ending?

Yep i fully accept the limitations of maintaining a personalised universe for the player going forward. Unifying and negating all choices into a homegenised mess is not acceptable to me as a way forward. Choosing a default universe(call it canon if you want) is no different to the default setting that exists in ME3 for new players. My parrallel Shepverse isn't mangled in the process.

Screw that.

I'm fine with a unified ending. Or, if for the next game, it takes into account your chosen ending, and if you're not importing, then like picking Shepard's previous profile or the background for the DA1 in DA2, you select the state of the galaxy.

[Discouraged_one]

I still have no idea why they included it. Their should have been just the two paragon or renegade type endings, control or destroy. Isnt synthesis that what the reapers are doing to everyone in some sense? Harvesting organics to merge with synthetic parts etc?

Synthesis...

CONFUSING

[C9316]

Discouraged_one wrote...

I still have no idea why they included it. Their should have been just the two paragon or renegade type endings, control or destroy. Isnt synthesis that what the reapers are doing to everyone in some sense? Harvesting organics to merge with synthetic parts etc?

Synthesis...

CONFUSING

Not confusing, that's exactly it. Why do the Reapers stop attacking when you choose this ending? They're obviously not going to attack their own.