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[wright1978]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

So, wright1978, you'd rather have a canon ending that isn't yours than a unified ending?

Yep i fully accept the limitations of maintaining a personalised universe for the player going forward. Unifying and negating all choices into a homegenised mess is not acceptable to me as a way forward. Choosing a default universe(call it canon if you want) is no different to the default setting that exists in ME3 for new players. My parrallel Shepverse isn't mangled in the process.

Screw that.

I'm fine with a unified ending. Or, if for the next game, it takes into account your chosen ending, and if you're not importing, then like picking Shepard's previous profile or the background for the DA1 in DA2, you select the state of the galaxy.

Really so you would have been fine with Bioware between ME2 and ME3, unifying all your choices with the ones they wanted. So if Samara survived your suicide mission she fell down some steps and broke her neck, Thane got a large brussel sprout stuck in his throat and died before anyone could give him the heimlich, jack's ship exploded on the way to grissom etc. All other ME2 squaddies lost their loyalty because Shep didn't call them between games. I sure as hell am not ok with all my choices being invalidated. Making choice in a choice based game meaningless would be an odd direction imo.

[Esoretal]

And I should believe something that someone else said that Jessica Merizan said because...?

[Ozida]

Was Jessica the same person who said that Shepard's last breath was literally the last? Sorry, I lost trust in anything she says after that.

Modifié par Ozida, 21 septembre 2012 - 11:46 .

[mauro2222]

They really like to destroy their universe.

[Ryzaki]

lawl Synthesis canon ending? Welp that's it ME is officially garbage to me now.

[Subject M]

wright1978 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

So, wright1978, you'd rather have a canon ending that isn't yours than a unified ending?

Yep i fully accept the limitations of maintaining a personalised universe for the player going forward. Unifying and negating all choices into a homegenised mess is not acceptable to me as a way forward. Choosing a default universe(call it canon if you want) is no different to the default setting that exists in ME3 for new players. My parrallel Shepverse isn't mangled in the process.

Lets not jump to conclusions. If they happen to decide that synthesis happens anyway, regardless of what colour ending your Shepard did choose, then it is one thing. But it does not mean that it will be the same type of Synthesis as the green ending. There might be significant differences in some areas depending on how ME3 ended.

If "Destroy" was chosen, there are no Synthetics that pre-dates the Reaper wars around. And Shepard might have survived in the flesh.

If Control was chosen, there are pre ME3 finale synthetics around and synthesis was adopted more slowly, hopefully through voluntary action. Shepards thoughts and memories, and one could argue "Shepards mind" is still around in "Shepalyst" form. 

If the Synthesis ending was chosen, synthesis was imposed to the galaxy, for good and for ill and Shepard is gone.

And there is nothing indicating that synthesis does "homogenize" in  the sense that everyone will be the same. There are still Turians, Humans, Krogans, Salarians etc. What they do get though, is a common technological denominator added to their being.

Modifié par Subject M, 21 septembre 2012 - 11:54 .

[Melra]

If they really decided to choose Synthesis, then I have zero interest in ME4. Hopefully DA3 will be something interesting.

[General User]

The option the Catalyst offers at the Crucible isn't a true synthesis. It's an artificial imposition of a type of Man-Machine fusion under the Catalyst's direction, guidance, and oversight.

If, at some point in the future, Man and Machine become so close that distinguishing between the two isn't obvious, that would be true synthesis.  But an outside force imposing it's own vision of how things should be on unwilling participants?  Nope.  That's not going to cut it.

Indeed, given the Catalyst's sharply limited understanding of organics, it is foolish to think that any plan the Catalyst could come up with that involved manipulating organics would be successful. Thus one of the most ironic downsides of choosing the 'Synthesis' option at the Crucible is that a true synthesis may never occur.

Modifié par General User, 21 septembre 2012 - 12:30 .

[LilyasAvalon]

Welp, there goes my interest in any future ME products. I'm sorry, but Synthesis was just... crap.

[AsheraII]

Esoretal wrote...

And I should believe something that someone else said that Jessica Merizan said because...?

Dunno, she's not one of the writers, but Social Media Manager. Last time I checked, SMM's don't write the main story for AAA computer games.

Sure, Synthesis might become cannon.. eventually.. like.. in 80,000 years or so.
It's pretty obvious, that Synthesis is the "solution" that makes the ME universe the least interresting universe to ever expand upon and make new games for. So as long as there's a market for ME games, even if it needs an occasional 10 year break between games, this simply won't happen.

[LilyasAvalon]

I wonder why she'd risk potentially pissing off the fan basis then...

[AsheraII]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

I wonder why she'd risk potentially pissing off the fan basis then...

She doesn't. She's know to be an avid gamer herself, so even when called back to HQ for her statement, she can always say it was her personal interpretation as a gamer on her own personal playthroughs and that her personal view or that of her Shepard does not need represent the actual direction the game is going..

[Chala]

So...
People are freaking out beacuse the brother of X guy said that he was told by someone that has nothing to do with writing that one ending is canon?

Sorry, but I can't take this seriously.

In almost all sequels of an rpg, a canon ending is chosen, sometimes is a specific one, others is just a mix of all of them...
And when someone ask in the game, they'll say "it was a long time ago, dunno the details".
A sequel of ME3 will not be an exception to this.

About sythesis: It will be there in some form, after all, it's the so called "peak of evolution" that will happen sooner or later.
But this doesn't mean that it will be the same syntesis of ME3, maybe some of them are "hybrid" and others not or it will be merely mentioned somewhere in the codex as a theory/project of a random scientist.

Modifié par El_Chala_Legalizado, 21 septembre 2012 - 01:52 .

[Xandurpein]

To be fair, it does make sense. Logically, it's the only way to write a sequel without invalidating any choice. I hated the Synthesis ending in the game, but that's more because of how Synthesis is forced onto the galaxy, than the idea of synthesis as such. If anything, I would feel even more justified in choosing Destroy, if I knew that the Galaxy would have time to prepare for a Synthesis evolution and implement it in a way that is not forcing it, a few generations into the future. As I see it, the only justification for choosing Synthesis at all, rests on the "it's now or never" argument, and that argument would be negated if Synthesis is bound to happen anyway.

[Tiger 7]

Bioware Are you kidding me!?!

[EXMugamy]

Jessica Merizan: per estenbanus' brother "Synthesis Is Canon Ending"...

My ass. This woman understand nothing about the mass effect saga. I only want one better final to Shepard, only this. I don't care if the next games of mass effect have a new character.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Honestly I think they should invalidate all three endings. That way it's fair. I picked destroy.

I think they should go with Puzzle Theory and a successful refuse.

* Vigil: there is something in the Citadel that controls the reapers -- this foreshadows the Catalyst AI. So how does it control them? Obviously via QE and has been doing so the entire time right under our noses.

* The Crucible: you have the inframetric relay that tells you where every single reaper is located.

* It's logic is flawed. It turned on its creators. Now it is the problem. Yet it presents us with three new solutions based on the same faulty logic.

* convince it that its logic is flawed and that it should self destruct, done in cutscene. Catalyst AI self-destructs. Normandy picks up Shepard.

* reapers are actually dumb as varren and cannot indoctrinate without QE signal. (foreshadowed by Geth)

* Fleet blows them to hell all over the galaxy; Inframetric Relay tells them where every single one is located. Husks all disintegrate. Shepard survives. Relays survive. End of game. Shepard's saga ends.

This works. They can do what they want in ME4. New character. New everything. Nothing will be tainted by one of the three other endings.

[SentinelShepParagon]

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

So...
People are freaking out beacuse the brother of X guy said that he was told by someone that has nothing to do with writing that one ending is canon?

Sorry, but I can't take this seriously.

This. 10000x This

[Qui-Gon Glenn]

If Synthesis is the canon ending and basis for ME4, I have one simple question that I think should prove particularly difficult to answer:

Who are we fighting against now?

[Baa Baa]

Jessica, do you like Huey Lewis and the News......?

[dorktainian]

Qui-Gon Glenn wrote...

If Synthesis is the canon ending and basis for ME4, I have one simple question that I think should prove particularly difficult to answer:

Who are we fighting against now?

never mind that.

more important questions like...

How will you eat?   Everything is synthesised so in theory you cannot eat anything as it would be akin to canibalism.

[marshalleck]

dorktainian wrote...

Qui-Gon Glenn wrote...

If Synthesis is the canon ending and basis for ME4, I have one simple question that I think should prove particularly difficult to answer:

Who are we fighting against now?

never mind that.

more important questions like...

How will you eat?   Everything is synthesised so in theory you cannot eat anything as it would be akin to canibalism.

Ever read "The People of Sand and Slag"?

It's a pretty great short story. Very relevant to synthesis ending in ME3, too. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 21 septembre 2012 - 10:03 .

[xeNNN]

Ender Ghost wrote...

And mass effect game that takes place after ME3 is just going to be stupid imo.

you do not have a crystal ball you can not predict the future. 


further more you are everyone says that because they are so furious from still "hating" mass effect 3 they cant even come up with idea's themselves, give bioware a chance ffs.
 everyone can learn from there mistakes, you never know they might deliver a game that nobody else thought of and it could be absolutely brilliant. so stop being such a pessismist.

[Humakt83]

C9316 wrote...

Well, I'm definitely not buying any more Mass Effect products now. I really hope they enjoy dumping on this franchise's core themes.

So our enemy in every Mass Effect game, the Reapers, do not embody synthesis? They are both organic and synthetic.

[Barambu]

The only way to go for a sequel: applying the Indoctrination theory -> rewrite (or better "extend" as the Starkid choiced never happened) -> make a proper ending where to Franchise can be expanded upon....