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[The Twilight God]

Ieldra2 wrote...

iSousek wrote...
As it seems right now, synthesis violates every form of pluralism known to man. That's the reason why Synthesis is hideous, not only as the starting concept but also as the final result.

There is zero evidence for such a claim. The only difference lessened is the one between organics and synthetics. Everyone else - every organic that is - has gained the means to integrate technology but remains otherwise the same. Just watch the epilogue.

ME3 has no epilogue. An epilogue explains what occurs next and gives context to any displayed images. The narration and the pictures are disjointed (i.e. the narrator is in the present and is not speaking about the pictures). The narration is spoken in terms of what the narrator wants to happen, hopes will happen or plans to make happen, but at no point is it confirmed that anything actually turns out how they think it will. It is never elaborated rather or not anything in those pictures comes to pass. The players makes that assumption. As Bioware stated when they released the EC, it does not change the endings. It was released to give players a sense of closure and peace fo mind.

So it is possible that the harvest continues in Synthesis and Control. A peaceful harvest of willing indoctrinated races. Or the Reapers get their Shepard reaper (or shepard's awesomeness is put in all of them), fix the relays and then continue harvesting everyone. It's possible the rachni attack and subjugate everyone in Destroy. We really have no concrete proof of how anything turns out. Just wishful thinking on the part of the player.

The Stargazer nullifies it all. Because it happened so long ago and the details have been lost, no matter what ending you choose, it may just be his telling of the tale. So Control could be what the Stargazer tell his grandson, but in reality Destroy is what happened no matter what. Bioware deliberately made the endings this way to mask the actual outcome of decisions. That's why the endings are so mediocre and have no real exposition.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 22 septembre 2012 - 08:37 .

[Fedi.St]

there is zero evidence for this there is zero evidence for that. what the hell is synthesis anyway? in review!

enough with the tons of walls of text to explain it. If you can't describe the fundamentals of it in 5 lines then you don't understand it yourselves people.

Ieldras thread used a lot of resources to analyse and explain the concept! But the problem is the result we get  is not thoroughly explained in no way. there is no scientific basis on how the synthesis is really achieved. for example:
 
there is better understanding between synthetics and organics. with some form of networking? really? how is networking everybody achieves understanding? what is there to understand anyway? how the networking works. how the hell a form of radiation created  nanides which made everybody part of a huge internet mind ? And most of all how the hell such thing was invented and designed in any past cycle, while they were stranded with no relays  under reaper attacks no real knowledge of the intelligence ? 

synthesis as it stands makes no sense for mass effect series. its space magic. and you have to create another psevdoscience lore yourselves, which is not included in the game to explain it. 

If Bioware decides to push this thing down our throats then so be it, they will lose 80% of their fanbase.

Modifié par Fedi.St, 22 septembre 2012 - 09:36 .

[mass perfection]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

"canon Synthesis ending"

I never asked for this.

Adam Jensen never asked for this.

[SnakeEyes]

They're wrong - Destroy is the canon ending. At least that's what I say, while crying myself to sleep at night...

[Kesak12]

Master Xanthan wrote...

Synthesis would be a terrible canon ending.

Kurt-Niisan2 wrote...

They're wrong - Destroy is the canon ending. At least that's what I say, while crying myself to sleep at night...

Modifié par Kesak12, 22 septembre 2012 - 09:47 .

[Reptilian Rob]

/Makes amazing trilogy.

/Picks worst ending for everyone.

Thanks Bioware! Now here's a real magic trick, watch as I make my wallet disappear!

[stysiaq]

Nah, I'm never going to believe this kind of BS.

[MerchantGOL]

Samtheman63 wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

well it it happened I would be happy. I'm one of the few around here that loves the synthesis ending

let me get this straight, you have for the last few years been working towards destroying the reapers.

I don't know about you, but my  mission was to save the Galaxy, That meant destroyignt he reapers unless a better option was presented which it was.

Tunnel vision is not a postive trait.

[B.Shep]

And since no better option was given then destroying them is the only one. Indeed tunnel vision is a problem...

Modifié par B.Shep, 22 septembre 2012 - 10:15 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Doesn't matter since before I buy any ME game, I'm giving it a two week grace period to filter out stuff like this.

[MerchantGOL]

B.Shep wrote...

And since no better option was given then destroying them is the only one. Indeed tunnel vision is a problem...

Enjoy the souls of Edi and the death haunting you and Joker for everhating your guts

Iam gonna Go MAke the world a better place via Control[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie]

Modifié par MerchantGOL, 23 septembre 2012 - 01:41 .

[Esquin]

Dear Bioware.

*fart sounds.*

I mean seriously, you're going to give us an ending that makes no sense in the context of the Mass Effect Universe, or even in the realms of common sense?

[MerchantGOL]

Esquin wrote...

Dear Bioware.

*fart sounds.*

I mean seriously, you're going to give us an ending that makes no sense in the context of the Mass Effect Universe, or even in the realms of common sense?

Syntheis is a Refined  version of huskification a process that can already be cause  by a transference of energy.

It dose make sense.

[AresKeith]

MerchantGOL wrote...

B.Shep wrote...

And since no better option was given then destroying them is the only one. Indeed tunnel vision is a problem...

Enjoy the souls of Edi and the death haunting you and Joker for everhating your guts

Iam gonna Go MAke the world a better place via Control

how's that when the Shepard AI is gonna have to send them back into Dark Space

[MerchantGOL]

AresKeith wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

B.Shep wrote...

And since no better option was given then destroying them is the only one. Indeed tunnel vision is a problem...

Enjoy the souls of Edi and the death haunting you and Joker for everhating your guts

Iam gonna Go MAke the world a better place via Control

how's that when the Shepard AI is gonna have to send them back into Dark Space

thats not what my shepard is gonna do.

[AresKeith]

MerchantGOL wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

how's that when the Shepard AI is gonna have to send them back into Dark Space

thats not what my shepard is gonna do.

there was a reason why the Reapers went back to Dark Space to hibernate, they can't stay active for very long so the Shepard AI is gonna have to do that

[MerchantGOL]

AresKeith wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

how's that when the Shepard AI is gonna have to send them back into Dark Space

thats not what my shepard is gonna do.

there was a reason why the Reapers went back to Dark Space to hibernate, they can't stay active for very long so the Shepard AI is gonna have to do that

thats never said.

[Esquin]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Esquin wrote...

Dear Bioware.

*fart sounds.*

I mean seriously, you're going to give us an ending that makes no sense in the context of the Mass Effect Universe, or even in the realms of common sense?

Syntheis is a Refined  version of huskification a process that can already be cause  by a transference of energy.

It dose make sense.

Nope. Well I mean maybe, but getting turned into a "refined husk" just doesn't sound like something fun. 

[Ericus]

I'm a Control fan myself, but even I'd say they should pick Destroy if they insist on having a cannon ending. It's the top choice for, what, 80% of the fans? It also provides the most accessible starting point to bring new players into the series (which is EA's goal).

In a new game based on Destroy, you only have to reference the 'great Reaper war' without necessarily providing too much detail. With Control, you'd have to make sure every new player understood who these Reapers are that are floating around the galaxy being all-powerful gods (paragon or renegade to suit your tastes). With Synthesis, you'd have to explain why everybody has freaky green circuits all over them... good luck with that one...

For the record, I'd prefer they NOT pick a cannon ending.

Modifié par Ericus, 23 septembre 2012 - 01:59 .

[AresKeith]

MerchantGOL wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

how's that when the Shepard AI is gonna have to send them back into Dark Space

thats not what my shepard is gonna do.

there was a reason why the Reapers went back to Dark Space to hibernate, they can't stay active for very long so the Shepard AI is gonna have to do that

thats never said.

if its not true then why do they need to hibernate in Dark Space, why did Sovereign need to when he had to stay?

[Ericus]

AresKeith wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

how's that when the Shepard AI is gonna have to send them back into Dark Space

thats not what my shepard is gonna do.

there was a reason why the Reapers went back to Dark Space to hibernate, they can't stay active for very long so the Shepard AI is gonna have to do that

thats never said.

if its not true then why do they need to hibernate in Dark Space, why did Sovereign need to when he had to stay?

Maybe they just get bored.  50,000 years is a long time to sit around.

Okay, just kidding there.  Given that each Reaper is a gestalt entity with many minds (but one will, to quote Legion), it's possible that they aren't truly hibernating.  They may stop moving physically to conserve power, but for all we know each Reaper is engaged in really complex mental thought processes all that time.  Within each Reaper there could be endless discussion, debates or 'research' on the nature of life, the universe and everything.  Seems to me that's the kind of thing that a Reaper would actually consider worth it's time.

[AresKeith]

Ericus wrote...

Maybe they just get bored.  50,000 years is a long time to sit around.

Okay, just kidding there.  Given that each Reaper is a gestalt entity with many minds (but one will, to quote Legion), it's possible that they aren't truly hibernating.  They may stop moving physically to conserve power, but for all we know each Reaper is engaged in really complex mental thought processes all that time.  Within each Reaper there could be endless discussion, debates or 'research' on the nature of life, the universe and everything.  Seems to me that's the kind of thing that a Reaper would actually consider worth it's time.

its sorta similar but they don't need to conserve power so they go back to Dark Space because there also vulnerable in that stage and if people still hate the Reapers they would try to kill them when that happens

[B.Shep]

MerchantGOL wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

B.Shep wrote...

And since no better option was given then destroying them is the only one. Indeed tunnel vision is a problem...

Enjoy the souls of Edi and the death haunting you and Joker for everhating your guts

Iam gonna Go MAke the world a better place via Control

how's that when the Shepard AI is gonna have to send them back into Dark Space

thats not what my shepard is gonna do.

Yes because your Shepard died to create this new IA.
He will not be around when Shep-IA decides the catalyst was correct....

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

Please, they just don't want to make Control or Destroy an option because Destroy will mean Shepard's alive (The game file for the CGi video is called shep_alive or something) and Control will mean Shepard's a god and will break the game, pretty much meaning there can't be any more conflicts because Shepard would solve it. Synthesis makes the most sense, and it's the most crappiest ending as well. Refuse...that ending is the worst.

Unless...

Shepard goes mad with power in the Control ending and we command the old platoon with the Normandy SR2 and we somehow kill a god? Resulting in Shepard's LI crying like a melon?

[MerchantGOL]

AresKeith wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

how's that when the Shepard AI is gonna have to send them back into Dark Space

thats not what my shepard is gonna do.

there was a reason why the Reapers went back to Dark Space to hibernate, they can't stay active for very long so the Shepard AI is gonna have to do that

thats never said.

if its not true then why do they need to hibernate in Dark Space, why did Sovereign need to when he had to stay?

they go into dark space/hibernate to let Civilization build up naturaly,