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[MerchantGOL]

Esquin wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Esquin wrote...

Dear Bioware.

*fart sounds.*

I mean seriously, you're going to give us an ending that makes no sense in the context of the Mass Effect Universe, or even in the realms of common sense?

Syntheis is a Refined  version of huskification a process that can already be cause  by a transference of energy.

It dose make sense.

Nope. Well I mean maybe, but getting turned into a "refined husk" just doesn't sound like something fun. 

its no diffrrent then getting a vaccine from a  deadly infection

[Mr.House]

If this is true then why even give us the three choices? What's the point of these choices if merge is going to happen anyways?

*sigh*

Modifié par Mr.House, 23 septembre 2012 - 02:32 .

[enayasoul]

Destroy is the only option for me. I don't like synthesis *barf* (gives me the wrong vibes) and control is just too much what TIM wanted. I'm not certain Shepard will have that control because of what glow boy said. They controlled TIM. The reapers are going to hell. Shep gonna stop the reaping and let humanity choose their own fate. If the races haven't learned a lesson out of what happened then to hell with them. Shepard busted his hump for these people. He needs a big freaking thank you and a chance to live how he wants... He made a promise to Miranda. Don't make him break it. *I'll head cannon that since I have to, thanks bioware *

[The Twilight God]

Fedi.St wrote...

synthesis as it stands makes no sense for mass effect series. its space magic. and you have to create another psevdoscience lore yourselves, which is not included in the game to explain it. 

If Bioware decides to push this thing down our throats then so be it, they will lose 80% of their fanbase.

Conceptually, synthesis makes sense within the mass effect universe. It has already been established that Reapers can rapidly transform an individual with nanites. However, in these transformations the indivuals existing matter is transformed and reorganized. That is what a husk is (husks being a slower version of this porcess). Synthesis occurs too quickly for huskification to occur without causing severe pain and death. The victims of synthesis clearly aren't husks in the traditional sense. Based on the CGI beginning of EDI's narration the Crucible and Citadel would have to produce at least 60 nanites per base pair of a DNA. For arguments sake, let's say each nanite is a single atom. Every atom of every nanite being created contains energy relative to a nuclear bomb.

60 nanites per DNA base pair
6.34 billion base pairs per DNA strand
46 strands per human cell
100 trillion human cells

...*cough* That's about... carry the one... calculate pi... divide the 2... alright, my calculator doesn't have enough zeros.

I think it comes to somewhere around 1.748 quadrillion-zillion-billion-dodillion. And that's just assuming each nanite was a single atom, whiich they're not.... wheeeew!!! So the Crucible would need to generate 1.7 QUADRILLOZILODONS nuclear explosions worth of energy to synthesis a single human being. That's just one human. Somebody please correct me if I'm interpreting this the wrong way.

The only way those could work conventionally is to transmute the existing structure of the hosts boby via chemical reaction. This is what a husk is. Even then, such a rapid set of simulataneous chemical reactions would kill the person being transformed. Sure, they would resurrect later, but the ending doesn't show that kind of process. The ending shows an instantaneous superficial application of nanites. You literal see them coat Major Coats eyes to give it the green glow. I presume the circuitry is also skin deep. Joker is still limping when he walks out of the Normandy so his bones haven't been strengthened. Near the end of EDI's narration we see the other area effected: brain cells being coated with nanites. Coating only the dermis, optics and a particular segment of the brain is more plausible, although it woul still require massive amounts of energy. Most of which will be wasted as the blast scatters in all directions into empty space. Only an inifintesimal amount will actually hit a life bearing world. The farther away from a relay the less dense the concentration of nanites.

[AresKeith]

MerchantGOL wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

how's that when the Shepard AI is gonna have to send them back into Dark Space

thats not what my shepard is gonna do.

there was a reason why the Reapers went back to Dark Space to hibernate, they can't stay active for very long so the Shepard AI is gonna have to do that

thats never said.

if its not true then why do they need to hibernate in Dark Space, why did Sovereign need to when he had to stay?

they go into dark space/hibernate to let Civilization build up naturaly,

and to conserve power, thats why the Shepard AI is gonna have to send them back

[bleetman]

MerchantGOL wrote...

its no diffrrent then getting a vaccine from a  deadly infection

I don't think you know how vaccines work.

Modifié par bleetman, 23 septembre 2012 - 02:44 .

[Hrothdane]

The Twilight God wrote...

Conceptually, synthesis makes sense within the mass effect universe. It has already been established that Reapers can rapidly transform an individual with nanites. However, in these transformations the indivuals existing matter is transformed and reorganized. That is what a husk is (husks being a slower version of this porcess). Synthesis occurs too quickly for huskification to occur without causing severe pain and death. The victims of synthesis clearly aren't husks in the traditional sense. Based on the CGI beginning of EDI's narration the Crucible and Citadel would have to produce at least 60 nanites per base pair of a DNA. For arguments sake, let's say each nanite is a single atom. Every atom of every nanite being created contains energy relative to a nuclear bomb.

60 nanites per DNA base pair
6.34 billion base pairs per DNA strand
46 strands per human cell
100 trillion human cells

...*cough* That's about... carry the one... calculate pi... divide the 2... alright, my calculator doesn't have enough zeros.

I think it comes to somewhere around 1.748 quadrillion-zillion-billion-dodillion. And that's just assuming each nanite was a single atom, whiich they're not.... wheeeew!!! So the Crucible would need to generate 1.7 QUADRILLOZILODONS nuclear explosions worth of energy to synthesis a single human being. That's just one human. Somebody please correct me if I'm interpreting this the wrong way.

The only way those could work conventionally is to transmute the existing structure of the hosts boby via chemical reaction. This is what a husk is. Even then, such a rapid set of simulataneous chemical reactions would kill the person being transformed. Sure, they would resurrect later, but the ending doesn't show that kind of process. The ending shows an instantaneous superficial application of nanites. You literal see them coat Major Coats eyes to give it the green glow. I presume the circuitry is also skin deep. Joker is still limping when he walks out of the Normandy so his bones haven't been strengthened. Near the end of EDI's narration we see the other area effected: brain cells being coated with nanites. Coating only the dermis, optics and a particular segment of the brain is more plausible, although it woul still require massive amounts of energy. Most of which will be wasted as the blast scatters in all directions into empty space. Only an inifintesimal amount will actually hit a life bearing world. The farther away from a relay the less dense the concentration of nanites.

Reason for me to dislike synthesis number 67.

[ObserverStatus]

Mr.House wrote...
If this is true then why even give us the three choices? What's the point of these choices if merge is going to happen anyways?
*sigh*

Idk, why give the player the option to join the Master's army in Fallout if the Master is still dead in Fallout 2?

[Sundance31us]

I would sooner believe that Ferris did pass out at 31 Flavors last night.

Edit: FYI the linked video will show an ad before showing reference.

Modifié par Sundance31us, 23 septembre 2012 - 03:25 .

[Zooter]

If synthesis is canon;

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Modifié par Zooter, 23 septembre 2012 - 04:14 .

[MerchantGOL]

AresKeith wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

how's that when the Shepard AI is gonna have to send them back into Dark Space

thats not what my shepard is gonna do.

there was a reason why the Reapers went back to Dark Space to hibernate, they can't stay active for very long so the Shepard AI is gonna have to do that

thats never said.

if its not true then why do they need to hibernate in Dark Space, why did Sovereign need to when he had to stay?

they go into dark space/hibernate to let Civilization build up naturaly,

and to conserve power, thats why the Shepard AI is gonna have to send them back

that is never stated

that is your head cannon pure and simple.

[AresKeith]

MerchantGOL wrote...

that is never stated

that is your head cannon pure and simple.

stated by Vigil that the Reapers need to conserve energy to survive

Modifié par AresKeith, 23 septembre 2012 - 04:46 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Hrothdane wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Conceptually, synthesis makes sense within the mass effect universe. It has already been established that Reapers can rapidly transform an individual with nanites. However, in these transformations the indivuals existing matter is transformed and reorganized. That is what a husk is (husks being a slower version of this porcess). Synthesis occurs too quickly for huskification to occur without causing severe pain and death. The victims of synthesis clearly aren't husks in the traditional sense. Based on the CGI beginning of EDI's narration the Crucible and Citadel would have to produce at least 60 nanites per base pair of a DNA. For arguments sake, let's say each nanite is a single atom. Every atom of every nanite being created contains energy relative to a nuclear bomb.

60 nanites per DNA base pair
6.34 billion base pairs per DNA strand
46 strands per human cell
100 trillion human cells

...*cough* That's about... carry the one... calculate pi... divide the 2... alright, my calculator doesn't have enough zeros.

I think it comes to somewhere around 1.748 quadrillion-zillion-billion-dodillion. And that's just assuming each nanite was a single atom, whiich they're not.... wheeeew!!! So the Crucible would need to generate 1.7 QUADRILLOZILODONS nuclear explosions worth of energy to synthesis a single human being. That's just one human. Somebody please correct me if I'm interpreting this the wrong way.

The only way those could work conventionally is to transmute the existing structure of the hosts boby via chemical reaction. This is what a husk is. Even then, such a rapid set of simulataneous chemical reactions would kill the person being transformed. Sure, they would resurrect later, but the ending doesn't show that kind of process. The ending shows an instantaneous superficial application of nanites. You literal see them coat Major Coats eyes to give it the green glow. I presume the circuitry is also skin deep. Joker is still limping when he walks out of the Normandy so his bones haven't been strengthened. Near the end of EDI's narration we see the other area effected: brain cells being coated with nanites. Coating only the dermis, optics and a particular segment of the brain is more plausible, although it woul still require massive amounts of energy. Most of which will be wasted as the blast scatters in all directions into empty space. Only an inifintesimal amount will actually hit a life bearing world. The farther away from a relay the less dense the concentration of nanites.

Reason for me to dislike synthesis number 67.

Wow. :wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard:

[WhiteKnyght]

Mr.House wrote...

If this is true then why even give us the three choices? What's the point of these choices if merge is going to happen anyways?

*sigh*

Maybe because synthesis could arguably take millions of years to achieve conventionally?

"Now that we know it is possible, it is inevitable that we will reach synthesis"

They say it right in the game man. The difference between the three choices is whether or not you let synthesis come when it is ready, or you force it to come early.

[Obadiah]

Advanced life might choose to become partially synthetic, but I doubt anyone would ever think to rearrange all life in the galaxy.

Think of the new bio-synthetic weeds, or mosquitoes, or sewer rats.

It's just a bad idea unless you have a gun to your head.

Modifié par Obadiah, 23 septembre 2012 - 08:08 .

[Fedi.St]

The Twilight God wrote...



Conceptually, synthesis makes sense within the mass effect universe. It has already been established that Reapers can rapidly transform an individual with nanites. However, in these transformations the indivuals existing matter is transformed and reorganized. That is what a husk is (husks being a slower version of this porcess). Synthesis occurs too quickly for huskification to occur without causing severe pain and death. The victims of synthesis clearly aren't husks in the traditional sense. Based on the CGI beginning of EDI's narration the Crucible and Citadel would have to produce at least 60 nanites per base pair of a DNA. For arguments sake, let's say each nanite is a single atom. Every atom of every nanite being created contains energy relative to a nuclear bomb.

60 nanites per DNA base pair
6.34 billion base pairs per DNA strand
46 strands per human cell
100 trillion human cells

...*cough* That's about... carry the one... calculate pi... divide the 2... alright, my calculator doesn't have enough zeros.

I think it comes to somewhere around 1.748 quadrillion-zillion-billion-dodillion. And that's just assuming each nanite was a single atom, whiich they're not.... wheeeew!!! So the Crucible would need to generate 1.7 QUADRILLOZILODONS nuclear explosions worth of energy to synthesis a single human being. That's just one human. Somebody please correct me if I'm interpreting this the wrong way.

The only way those could work conventionally is to transmute the existing structure of the hosts boby via chemical reaction. This is what a husk is. Even then, such a rapid set of simulataneous chemical reactions would kill the person being transformed. Sure, they would resurrect later, but the ending doesn't show that kind of process. The ending shows an instantaneous superficial application of nanites. You literal see them coat Major Coats eyes to give it the green glow. I presume the circuitry is also skin deep. Joker is still limping when he walks out of the Normandy so his bones haven't been strengthened. Near the end of EDI's narration we see the other area effected: brain cells being coated with nanites. Coating only the dermis, optics and a particular segment of the brain is more plausible, although it woul still require massive amounts of energy. Most of which will be wasted as the blast scatters in all directions into empty space. Only an inifintesimal amount will actually hit a life bearing world. The farther away from a relay the less dense the concentration of nanites.

conceptually synthesis it does. but synthesis of opinions. synthesis of understanding between organics and synthetics etc. REAL SYNTHESIS. While respecting each others nature , you can coexist by choice with them.

Instead we get nothing but mergesis. If turians and krogans are in war the only way to make peace is to create a krogaturian? this what "synthesis" concept is as it stands. Clearly.


Now you tried to explain based on what the ec shows about synthesis , the scientific basis of this abomination. And I'm sure that every rational beeing can see by now how space magic is this ending and how the synthesizers are trolling everyone to justify something like this! 

As I said there is no synthesis here. It's mergesis. 

Something which has just occured to me:

If the problem is this organics vs synthetics **** BUT the reapers are being controlled by this starbinger then how the hell merging reapers with everything else solves anything. they are not the synthetics starbinger is being referred to. they are a special absolutely controlled case.

God damn abomination. Bioware is trolling us hard.

Modifié par Fedi.St, 23 septembre 2012 - 09:13 .

[SpamBot2000]

Who is this 'Jessica Merizan' anyway? Completely unknown here at the 'community'.

[Dharvy]

Fedi.St wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...



Conceptually, synthesis makes sense within the mass effect universe. It has already been established that Reapers can rapidly transform an individual with nanites. However, in these transformations the indivuals existing matter is transformed and reorganized. That is what a husk is (husks being a slower version of this porcess). Synthesis occurs too quickly for huskification to occur without causing severe pain and death. The victims of synthesis clearly aren't husks in the traditional sense. Based on the CGI beginning of EDI's narration the Crucible and Citadel would have to produce at least 60 nanites per base pair of a DNA. For arguments sake, let's say each nanite is a single atom. Every atom of every nanite being created contains energy relative to a nuclear bomb.

60 nanites per DNA base pair
6.34 billion base pairs per DNA strand
46 strands per human cell
100 trillion human cells

...*cough* That's about... carry the one... calculate pi... divide the 2... alright, my calculator doesn't have enough zeros.

I think it comes to somewhere around 1.748 quadrillion-zillion-billion-dodillion. And that's just assuming each nanite was a single atom, whiich they're not.... wheeeew!!! So the Crucible would need to generate 1.7 QUADRILLOZILODONS nuclear explosions worth of energy to synthesis a single human being. That's just one human. Somebody please correct me if I'm interpreting this the wrong way.

The only way those could work conventionally is to transmute the existing structure of the hosts boby via chemical reaction. This is what a husk is. Even then, such a rapid set of simulataneous chemical reactions would kill the person being transformed. Sure, they would resurrect later, but the ending doesn't show that kind of process. The ending shows an instantaneous superficial application of nanites. You literal see them coat Major Coats eyes to give it the green glow. I presume the circuitry is also skin deep. Joker is still limping when he walks out of the Normandy so his bones haven't been strengthened. Near the end of EDI's narration we see the other area effected: brain cells being coated with nanites. Coating only the dermis, optics and a particular segment of the brain is more plausible, although it woul still require massive amounts of energy. Most of which will be wasted as the blast scatters in all directions into empty space. Only an inifintesimal amount will actually hit a life bearing world. The farther away from a relay the less dense the concentration of nanites.

conceptually synthesis it does. but synthesis of opinions. synthesis of understanding between organics and synthetics etc. REAL SYNTHESIS. While respecting each others nature , you can coexist by choice with them.

Instead we get nothing but mergesis. If turians and krogans are in war the only way to make peace is to create a krogaturian? this what "synthesis" concept is as it stands. Clearly.


Now you tried to explain based on what the ec shows about synthesis , the scientific basis of this abomination. And I'm sure that every rational beeing can see by now how space magic is this ending and how the synthesizers are trolling everyone to justify something like this! 

As I said there is no synthesis here. It's mergesis. 

Something which has just occured to me:

If the problem is this organics vs synthetics **** BUT the reapers are being controlled by this starbinger then how the hell merging reapers with everything else solves anything. they are not the synthetics starbinger is being referred to. they are a special absolutely controlled case.

God damn abomination. Bioware is trolling us hard.

Maybe its not exactly "mergesis" as you so coined but mainly puting them on a somewhat equal footing. Its probably such as one society has the means to advance at alarmingly faster rates and conflict ensues. Now when we see this in nature its just simply survival of the fittest and the stronger more advance wins out. So with plants and animals and insects we don't really care to intervene always but when it comes to sentient life forms as with the differing races, we feel its not right that survival of the fittest plays out and we try to make peace and or help the less fortunate side or help them come to an understanding to stop the conflict. Thus synthesis is born.

Look at the Krogan Rebellions for example. Krogans was overpowering and winning so they implemented a sort of de-synthesis or destablizing in the forms of genophage to lessen the Krogans edge, thus ending the conflict. Had the Krogan not been brought down a peg or two to not be as much of a threat in the conflict it would have probably no doubt been very damaging to the point of extinction or near extinction to its enemies.

So basically synthesis just gives organics the ability to adapt or advance at the rate synthetics are able to. And it gives the synthetics the ability to understand organics to probably cure them of their amoral mind frames so they could adopt some emotions and a form of conscience to guide their actions and not just cold hard unemotional, unfeeling logic and reason.

[Fedi.St]

bro what you say makes sense but  how is this achieved with the "synthesis" ending we got? there is zero evidence that such thing you describe happens. It just edi narrating what WILL happen while we basically see that organics become in an impossible way (as twilight god put it above) infused with synthetics down to the core.

So basically the way stop two species is to merge them into a single basis of existence? 


As it stands now the concept is make organics synthetics and synthetics more emotional synthetics. Sorry but "we rather keep our own form".

Maybe synthesis could be an ending to another game. Not for mass effect. And I'm referring TO THIS synthesis not something conceptual and irrelevant described by the philosophists of BSN.

Modifié par Fedi.St, 23 septembre 2012 - 11:02 .

[Mogsam_]

Dendio1 wrote...

Star kid said synthesis was inevitable. So there you go

Star Kid wasn't omnicient and is programed to believe that..

[Dean_the_Young]

Mogsam_ wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Star kid said synthesis was inevitable. So there you go

Star Kid wasn't omnicient and is programed to believe that..

'Programed to believe that' is a stretch.

There are more than enough patterns in history to be able to make general conclusions about the nature of progress and development.

Either organics will avoid being destroyed by synthetics long enough to create synthesis on their own terms (by virtue of cybernetics enhancing their abilities) OR synthetics will achieve synthesis on their own terms (by reaching understanding of organics).

For the same stastical certainty that allows you to predict that, eventually, a synthetic conflict will occur, the existence of synthesis as a non-zero probability means that, eventually, it too will almost certainly occur.


It might take a few billion years, but hey. The Catalyst can wait.

[Henioo]

That's BS. Even if Synthetis happens any way, that doesn't solve the cycle it happened in.

Meaning, are there still asari, humans, krogan and the rest knocking about? Or were they destroyed and we've got new species that were synthetised?

Modifié par Henioo, 23 septembre 2012 - 11:34 .

[ChrisDV]

So, no matter what I had Shepard choose, Synthesis is the ending which is carrying forward?



Seems appropriate.

[M Hedonist]

This thread is still alive? Ridiculous!

[Fedi.St]

ChrisDV wrote...

So, no matter what I had Shepard choose, Synthesis is the ending which is carrying forward?



Seems appropriate.

10 points for you mister