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[darkway1]

The concept is great but the reality is just flat out dead,we create machines to do tasks we can't be bothered with,AI makes them smarter and able to do more complex tasks........if Synthesis did take place,you would still have the need for machines and AI.....what stops them from evolving and re creating the same problem the reapers were faced with...or do they magically come alive at some point????......as a working concept synthesis just does not work in the long term.

[Myrmedus]

darkway1 wrote...

The concept is great but the reality is just flat out dead,we create machines to do tasks we can't be bothered with,AI makes them smarter and able to do more complex tasks........if Synthesis did take place,you would still have the need for machines and AI.....what stops them from evolving and re creating the same problem the reapers were faced with...or do they magically come alive at some point????......as a working concept synthesis just does not work in the long term.

Because they won't outstrip you.

The idea of synthesis makes absolute sense, and it makes sense it'll happen in ME at some point, but the METHOD depicted in ME3 is a joke.

[Comsky159]

bobobo878 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
If this is true then why even give us the three choices? What's the point of these choices if merge is going to happen anyways?
*sigh*

Idk, why give the player the option to join the Master's army in Fallout if the Master is still dead in Fallout 2?

Imagine you killed the Master in Fallout and it turns out that in fact you canonically joined him in Fallout 2. A little less tolerant now?

That's how I'd feel about a synthesis canon. I don't mind canonising endings on occasion; but only when the ending in question has some universal credence. Given that I rate the endings in this order (Paragon Control > Destroy > Renegade Control > Refuse >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Synthesis)  this really isn't a legitimate option in my mind.

If synthesis becomes canon the ME universe will become utterly macabre; it'll be dead to me. Fortunately I don't believe Bioware are anywhere near foolish enough to go in this direction.

[guacamayus]

darkway1 wrote...

The concept is great but the reality is just flat out dead,we create machines to do tasks we can't be bothered with,AI makes them smarter and able to do more complex tasks........if Synthesis did take place,you would still have the need for machines and AI.....what stops them from evolving and re creating the same problem the reapers were faced with...or do they magically come alive at some point????......as a working concept synthesis just does not work in the long term.

There's no need for machines after synthesis (in that sense), the whole point is to improve natural life so the technological gap between both factions is not totally out of whack. Sentient machines are now alive, they are tools no longer and their evolution is as fast as organics which means that no matter how fast they evolve organics won't be far behind (there's no need to build sentient machines to solve some problems because organics now have the necessary tools to do so themselves), the point of synthesis is to achieve the singularity in a way that guarantees there's no extinction.

Modifié par guacamayus, 23 septembre 2012 - 02:11 .

[RebelTitan428]

synthesis is just as dumb as the crucible.

i could buy synthesis if it wasnt packaged as a green space magic beam.

[Seival]

http://social.biowar.../index/13740862

Correctly implemented idea of inevitable Synthesis would be awesome.
Yes, I really think so. And please, notice that I'm the Control ending fan.

[darkway1]

For the record,I picked the synthesis ending....cos I liked the idea of it but the introduction of synthesis in Mass3 could not work.......... synthesis could function as an evolution but as an over night transformation....seems silly.......can't help but think of Bender from Futuramma......the Geth version.

[Peranor]

Synthesis Is Canon Ending?????

Modifié par anorling, 24 septembre 2012 - 07:34 .

[Samtheman63]

darkway1 wrote...

For the record,I picked the synthesis ending....cos I liked the idea of it but the introduction of synthesis in Mass3 could not work.......... synthesis could function as an evolution but as an over night transformation....seems silly.......can't help but think of Bender from Futuramma......the Geth version.

i dont get it when people bring up evolution with regards to synthesis, evoltuion is the never ending process of naturally adapting to the environment, how does pumping everyone full of man made technology achieve anything anywhere near that?

[Applepie_Svk]

anorling wrote...




Synthesis Is Canon Ending?????

Seival is trying to bump his thread across the whole BSN, lol maybe even whole internet... 

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 23 septembre 2012 - 02:51 .

[Ieldra]

Myrmedus wrote...

darkway1 wrote...

The concept is great but the reality is just flat out dead,we create machines to do tasks we can't be bothered with,AI makes them smarter and able to do more complex tasks........if Synthesis did take place,you would still have the need for machines and AI.....what stops them from evolving and re creating the same problem the reapers were faced with...or do they magically come alive at some point????......as a working concept synthesis just does not work in the long term.

Because they won't outstrip you.

The idea of synthesis makes absolute sense, and it makes sense it'll happen in ME at some point, but the METHOD depicted in ME3 is a joke.

Exactly. I choose Synthesis for its outcome, while acknowledging that it's better not to think about how it is achieved.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

anorling wrote...


Synthesis Is Canon Ending?????

Seival is trying to bump his thread across the whole BSN, lol maybe even whole internet... 

I preferred his other thread.
"I heard you don't like the endings. Have you considered that the best option might be to start liking the endings?"

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 23 septembre 2012 - 03:03 .

[atheelogos]

AresKeith wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

that is never stated

that is your head cannon pure and simple.

stated by Vigil that the Reapers need to conserve energy to survive

Vigil was guessing. He didn't know much about the Reapers. He only had theories to work with.

[atheelogos]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

If this is true then why even give us the three choices? What's the point of these choices if merge is going to happen anyways?

*sigh*

Maybe because synthesis could arguably take millions of years to achieve conventionally?

"Now that we know it is possible, it is inevitable that we will reach synthesis"

They say it right in the game man. The difference between the three choices is whether or not you let synthesis come when it is ready, or you force it to come early.

Your not forcing it to come early as the Cataylst says "You are ready"

It's right on time. The difference is letting it come on time or doing it late.

[AresKeith]

atheelogos wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

that is never stated

that is your head cannon pure and simple.

stated by Vigil that the Reapers need to conserve energy to survive

Vigil was guessing. He didn't know much about the Reapers. He only had theories to work with.

but it makes sense to why they the Reapers was able to survive in Dark Space for thousands of years and to why Sovereign had to go inactive for a while when he had to stay in the Galaxy

[atheelogos]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Who is this 'Jessica Merizan' anyway? Completely unknown here at the 'community'.

.... u must be new here. Either that or ur trolling

Modifié par atheelogos, 23 septembre 2012 - 04:51 .

[SpamBot2000]

atheelogos wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Who is this 'Jessica Merizan' anyway? Completely unknown here at the 'community'.

.... u must new here. Either that or ur trolling

Trolling is such an ugly word for making a point.

[Applepie_Svk]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Who is this 'Jessica Merizan' anyway? Completely unknown here at the 'community'.

.... u must new here. Either that or ur trolling

Trolling is such an ugly word for making a point.

 BSN is more like just a network but not connected to BioWare, they rather answering the question on Twitter and yet they are handpicking questions which they want to answer...

[atheelogos]

Samtheman63 wrote...

darkway1 wrote...

For the record,I picked the synthesis ending....cos I liked the idea of it but the introduction of synthesis in Mass3 could not work.......... synthesis could function as an evolution but as an over night transformation....seems silly.......can't help but think of Bender from Futuramma......the Geth version.

i dont get it when people bring up evolution with regards to synthesis, evoltuion is the never ending process of naturally adapting to the environment, how does pumping everyone full of man made technology achieve anything anywhere near that?

When people say evolution in regards to synthesis they mean technological evolution not organic.

[3DandBeyond]

atheelogos wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

darkway1 wrote...

For the record,I picked the synthesis ending....cos I liked the idea of it but the introduction of synthesis in Mass3 could not work.......... synthesis could function as an evolution but as an over night transformation....seems silly.......can't help but think of Bender from Futuramma......the Geth version.

i dont get it when people bring up evolution with regards to synthesis, evoltuion is the never ending process of naturally adapting to the environment, how does pumping everyone full of man made technology achieve anything anywhere near that?

When people say evolution in regards to synthesis they mean technological evolution not organic.

This is correct, but what it says is that this is not ever a natural outcome of things. If organics one day all become infested with nanites that can adhere to and change DNA, it will likely be because of one of couple things-accidental or intentional arrogance and willfully ignorance of the wishes of people to determine if they want this or not.

Synthesis to be accurate would also have to create a new being and therefore it could never be just implanted tech that might help one to see better or hear again, or to even grow a new limb.  It would have to combine with what people now are to create an all new being.  And really let's think about this sensibly.  People aren't that great at creating fully functioning tech even now.  There will always be an "error" factor in everything created.  Things fail.  Why?  Because people are fallible and make mistakes.  Look at the kid and the reapers.  Even a supposedly advanced super race created a huge big imposing error by creating a very small flawed "being".  So, multiply that by the number of cells in the body or the amount of DNA we have and the error will continuously be replicated.

Nothing people create is ever without error.  Computers fail because people make mistakes.  Robotic tech is based upon computers people created that make mistakes.  And even robots that create other robots, don't get rid of the errors.  So, do you really think that the sane thing to do would be to insert possibly critically flawed tech that integrates with our DNA into everyone's bodies and all the organic things in the galaxy?  No tech is perfect, so the perfection the idiot kid talks about does not and wll not ever exist.  How long have toasters been in existence?  Long long time.  They still all eventually burn the bread. 

[Cobretti ftw]

if ur brother said it, then it must be true.

[SpamBot2000]

Catastrophe__ wrote...

No wonder Bioware devs doesn't post in these forums.

How about accepting others people views and shut the **** up?
There is no true ending, everyone received his personal ending. Not by the choices that were made, it's about our personal thoughts of the events in the ME universe and what may happen in the future. Everbody experienced it differently.

The forums are here to share your experiences and thoughts about the game and the universe, not to fight over who is right. WTF seriously guys. Dumb behaviour.

If you think 'huskification' that's good for you, but for me it sounds like the biggest BS I heard in a long time. So what? I'm happy with the ending, and you are not. Who is the winner now?

Not very gracious in victory there, winner.

[Samtheman63]

the reapers

[Luxure]

Seival wrote...

http://social.biowar.../index/13740862

Correctly implemented idea of inevitable Synthesis would be awesome.
Yes, I really think so. And please, notice that I'm the Control ending fan.

Ok...

What this guy said. ( in your thread )

anorling wrote...


Yeah sorry.... I still remember your post about the Normandy test flight theory and loads of different derpy support threads with ideas probably conceived while stoned on shrooms. 

Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, you say can ever be taken seriously ever again.

 

Oh, Synthesis can't be canon. It just can't. Jessica was kidding, or that esteban dude.