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[GreyLycanTrope]

IsaacShep wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Joking aside thought the plants and animals aren't the issue here, it's the idea that this concept you rejected before gets implemented anyway as a means of advancing the story in a way some people didn't want.

But it just can't get implemented. If they're thinking about it, they need to drop it ASAP. If they make Synthesis ending canon, then so be it. But having the same scale of synthesis in post-Destroy&Control world would be the most idiotic thing ever.

No no you're missing the point, I'm not saying the scale would be the same, but having most if not all races embrace hybridization will still under value the decisions of players who wanted the story to take a different path. Say leaving the galaxy as is minus the Reapers, and continue from there with the established races to continue on being plain old humans and krogan to see where that story eventually leads. If all paths lead to hybridization it makes even giving you a choice early on seem moot.

[shepskisaac]

devSin wrote...

She wasn't giving an opinion on story details (of which she has had little knowledge in the past, leading to some of her silly claims).

She was discussing the team's preference for synthesis (not her own—she was specifically talking about the team) and what it would mean for the future of the franchise. That's not something open to speculation the same way as trying to tell what was going on in the original ending, and these statements shouldn't be treated that way.

She said the team considers synthesis to be inevitable, and if any future game is set after the events of ME3, synthesis will have taken place.

Unless you're accusing her of lying, that's pretty clear.

If that's what the team considers then then should reconsider it, because I'm not sure they realize that there's no way they can railroad Destroy & Control into the same state as Synthesis ending. Synthesis ending has every single plant, bacteria, animal and sapient race synthesized on every single planet in the galaxy. It is absolutely improbable that any galactic civilization would synthesize literally everything in the galaxy on thier own, due to technological progress, there would be just no point to that. Not to even mention - how are they're going to synthesize planets/races they haven't even discovered yet lol? I mean, this just can't be railroaded into one.

[inversevideo]

Wayning_Star wrote...

face it folks, organics did it to themselves, Even Shep got his DNA altered to regain life... If you read this, then,technically, you're doing it now..slower fur sure..but..

but hey, I like the two cats hissing and didn't know why anyone would post broken glass sound effects.

maybe they're already synthesised?!?

lol

However, from your lol, you perhaps do recognize a metapor when you hear one?  And a good metaphor at that. Glass, fragility, glass houses, the sound of an illusion of artistry cracking perhaps?

Surely these things come to mind?  

Modifié par inversevideo, 20 septembre 2012 - 02:29 .

[shepskisaac]

Greylycantrope wrote...

No no you're missing the point, I'm not saying the scale would be the same, but having most if not all races embrace hybridization will still under value the decisions of players who wanted the story to take a different path. Say leaving the galaxy as is minus the Reapers, and continue from there with the established races to continue on being plain old humans and krogan to see where that story eventually leads. If all paths lead to hybridization it makes even giving you a choice early on seem moot.

Absolutely, that is an entire different aspect of it and why I don't want it to happen.

[Wayning_Star]

IsaacShep wrote...

devSin wrote...

She wasn't giving an opinion on story details (of which she has had little knowledge in the past, leading to some of her silly claims).

She was discussing the team's preference for synthesis (not her own—she was specifically talking about the team) and what it would mean for the future of the franchise. That's not something open to speculation the same way as trying to tell what was going on in the original ending, and these statements shouldn't be treated that way.

She said the team considers synthesis to be inevitable, and if any future game is set after the events of ME3, synthesis will have taken place.

Unless you're accusing her of lying, that's pretty clear.

If that's what the team considers then then should reconsider it, because I'm not sure they realize that there's no way they can railroad Destroy & Control into the same state as Synthesis ending. Synthesis ending has every single plant, bacteria, animal and sapient race synthesized on every single planet in the galaxy. It is absolutely improbable that any galactic civilization would synthesize literally everything in the galaxy on thier own, due to technological progress, there would be just no point to that. Not to even mention - how are they're going to synthesize planets/races they haven't even discovered yet lol? I mean, this just can't be railroaded into one.

mother nature works in mysterious ways... makes me wonder why there is supermassive black holes sucking in our very galaxy as we speak..whiles't dark matter is pushing our star systems further out into na na land..er..space.

strangers things will probably happen.. I don't think MN really cares what we think... brought organics in, they created super apex races that took over and organics have to adapt to survive.. no natural laws broken?

The point being is that if you alter nature...you alter nature. IF not, then you don't.. weird eh?

[Wayning_Star]

inversevideo wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

face it folks, organics did it to themselves, Even Shep got his DNA altered to regain life... If you read this, then,technically, you're doing it now..slower fur sure..but..

but hey, I like the two cats hissing and didn't know why anyone would post broken glass sound effects.

maybe they're already synthesised?!?

lol

However, from your lol, you perhaps do recognize a metapor when you hear one?  And a good metaphor at that. Glass, fragility, glass houses, the sound of an illusion of artistry cracking perhaps?

Surely these things come to mind?  

I was thinking more along chalk on a blackboard...eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeekkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!!!

[Demon560]

Wayning_Star wrote...

face it folks, organics did it to themselves, Even Shep got his DNA altered to regain life... If you read this, then,technically, you're doing it now..slower fur sure..but..

but hey, I like the two cats hissing and didn't know why anyone would post broken glass sound effects.

maybe they're already synthesised?!?

lol

Wait shep got his DNA altered, when did that happen, i get that he was brought back with a lot of tech, but i doubt that Shep was anything similar with anyone post synthesis, their whole DNA was changed, but Shepard still had the same DNA as any other human, right?

[devSin]

IsaacShep wrote...

If that's what the team considers then then should reconsider it, because I'm not sure they realize that there's no way they can railroad Destroy & Control into the same state as Synthesis ending. Synthesis ending has every single plant, bacteria, animal and sapient race synthesized on every single planet in the galaxy. It is absolutely improbable that any galactic civilization would synthesize literally everything in the galaxy on thier own, due to technological progress, there would be just no point to that. Not to even mention - how are they're going to synthesize planets/races they haven't even discovered yet lol? I mean, this just can't be railroaded into one.

I think it may be a sort of Deus Ex vibe. They wouldn't explain it, but everyone and everything is augmented in some way, so you'll have some special ability in place of biotics, for example.

And when it comes time to explain what the ability is derived from: "because synthesis!" Which basically means it'd be used to just completely overhaul the setting and gameplay (it provides a new fundamental technological backbone to everything that goes on, like element zero in the trilogy).

Anyway, that's my sneaking suspicion, although I find it far more likely that they just don't have any plans at all to make a game set after the events of ME3.

Modifié par devSin, 20 septembre 2012 - 02:35 .

[inversevideo]

IsaacShep wrote...

devSin wrote...

She wasn't giving an opinion on story details (of which she has had little knowledge in the past, leading to some of her silly claims).

She was discussing the team's preference for synthesis (not her own—she was specifically talking about the team) and what it would mean for the future of the franchise. That's not something open to speculation the same way as trying to tell what was going on in the original ending, and these statements shouldn't be treated that way.

She said the team considers synthesis to be inevitable, and if any future game is set after the events of ME3, synthesis will have taken place.

Unless you're accusing her of lying, that's pretty clear.

If that's what the team considers then then should reconsider it, because I'm not sure they realize that there's no way they can railroad Destroy & Control into the same state as Synthesis ending. Synthesis ending has every single plant, bacteria, animal and sapient race synthesized on every single planet in the galaxy. It is absolutely improbable that any galactic civilization would synthesize literally everything in the galaxy on thier own, due to technological progress, there would be just no point to that. Not to even mention - how are they're going to synthesize planets/races they haven't even discovered yet lol? I mean, this just can't be railroaded into one.

Hmmm.. Implications disturbing. Every organic and many inorganic things now uplifted/synthesized.
Conscious? Semi or fully aware? Makes eating, using tools, and simply walking... problematic. 

[Wayning_Star]

Demon560 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

face it folks, organics did it to themselves, Even Shep got his DNA altered to regain life... If you read this, then,technically, you're doing it now..slower fur sure..but..

but hey, I like the two cats hissing and didn't know why anyone would post broken glass sound effects.

maybe they're already synthesised?!?

lol

Wait shep got his DNA altered, when did that happen, i get that he was brought back with a lot of tech, but i doubt that Shep was anything similar with anyone post synthesis, their whole DNA was changed, but Shepard still had the same DNA as any other human, right?

it would explain why Shep is so resistent to indoctrination, can talk with all kinds of advanced technology and the Leviathan didn't just enthrall him and send him out on their choice mission of the day..instead, "decided" to FOLLOW Shepard around like whipped puppies..lol

kind gets you right in the gizzard,eh?

[Malanek]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...
I'm pretty sure synthesis is the combination of organic and inorganic compounds. That's very different from genetic engineering.

It creates a new DNA using synthetics and organic components, messing with DNA is genetic manipulation no matter how you do it.

Originally you said...

Greylycantrope wrote...
What like we don't genetically engineer plants already? Might be trying to impoved food crops and you'll end up witha supercrop which outcompetes and displaces native vegitation. Not to mention it's a very nice retcon of people's decisions. 

Combining organic and inorganic compounds is not even remotely similar to genetic engineering. DNA is a purely organic concept.

Modifié par Malanek999, 20 septembre 2012 - 02:41 .

[GreyReaver]

Demon560 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

face it folks, organics did it to themselves, Even Shep got his DNA altered to regain life... If you read this, then,technically, you're doing it now..slower fur sure..but..

but hey, I like the two cats hissing and didn't know why anyone would post broken glass sound effects.

maybe they're already synthesised?!?

lol

Wait shep got his DNA altered, when did that happen, i get that he was brought back with a lot of tech, but i doubt that Shep was anything similar with anyone post synthesis, their whole DNA was changed, but Shepard still had the same DNA as any other human, right?

Correct. To my knowledge, Shepard only had synthetic implants but was otherwise him or herself biologically speaking.  TIM was very specific that he wanted Shepard to be Shepard.  If you brought Liara and she was your LI to the assualt on TIMs base when EDI informs Shep that there is a terminal that has not been fully scrubbed, Shep learns the true extent of his/her death and questions if he was himself or a hi-tech AI.  Liara tells Shep that She wished he/she told her because she knew from the moment he/she touched her that it was Shepard

[Iakus]

GreyReaver wrote...

Correct. To my knowledge, Shepard only had synthetic implants but was otherwise him or herself biologically speaking.  TIM was very specific that he wanted Shepard to be Shepard.  If you brought Liara and she was your LI to the assualt on TIMs base when EDI informs Shep that there is a terminal that has not been fully scrubbed, Shep learns the true extent of his/her death and questions if he was himself or a hi-tech AI.  Liara tells Shep that She wished he/she told her because she knew from the moment he/she touched her that it was Shepard

Not to mention when SHepard and EDI have that talk on transhumanism, EDI assures Shepard that while the Lazarus Project augmented Shepard with cybernetics, his/her mental functions are entirely organic.

[Wayning_Star]

inversevideo wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

devSin wrote...

She wasn't giving an opinion on story details (of which she has had little knowledge in the past, leading to some of her silly claims).

She was discussing the team's preference for synthesis (not her own—she was specifically talking about the team) and what it would mean for the future of the franchise. That's not something open to speculation the same way as trying to tell what was going on in the original ending, and these statements shouldn't be treated that way.

She said the team considers synthesis to be inevitable, and if any future game is set after the events of ME3, synthesis will have taken place.

Unless you're accusing her of lying, that's pretty clear.

If that's what the team considers then then should reconsider it, because I'm not sure they realize that there's no way they can railroad Destroy & Control into the same state as Synthesis ending. Synthesis ending has every single plant, bacteria, animal and sapient race synthesized on every single planet in the galaxy. It is absolutely improbable that any galactic civilization would synthesize literally everything in the galaxy on thier own, due to technological progress, there would be just no point to that. Not to even mention - how are they're going to synthesize planets/races they haven't even discovered yet lol? I mean, this just can't be railroaded into one.

Hmmm.. Implications disturbing. Every organic and many inorganic things now uplifted/synthesized.
Conscious? Semi or fully aware? Makes eating, using tools, and simply walking... problematic. 

unless we realize that synthesis is really rather minimal, not all encompassing takeover of all body/synthetic systems..Like many fear of synthesis. It's the same reason folks are ascared of change, they just don't know what to think...and ascard to contemplate over their fears. Natural self preservation instinct tho..primitive but functioning quite nicely....maybe?

[Demon560]

Ok just checking, thought i missed something.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Malanek999 wrote...

Combining organic and inorganic compounds is not even remotely similar to genetic engineering. DNA is a purely organic concept.

Tell that to synthesis.

[Wayning_Star]

GreyReaver wrote...

Demon560 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

face it folks, organics did it to themselves, Even Shep got his DNA altered to regain life... If you read this, then,technically, you're doing it now..slower fur sure..but..

but hey, I like the two cats hissing and didn't know why anyone would post broken glass sound effects.

maybe they're already synthesised?!?

lol

Wait shep got his DNA altered, when did that happen, i get that he was brought back with a lot of tech, but i doubt that Shep was anything similar with anyone post synthesis, their whole DNA was changed, but Shepard still had the same DNA as any other human, right?

Correct. To my knowledge, Shepard only had synthetic implants but was otherwise him or herself biologically speaking.  TIM was very specific that he wanted Shepard to be Shepard.  If you brought Liara and she was your LI to the assualt on TIMs base when EDI informs Shep that there is a terminal that has not been fully scrubbed, Shep learns the true extent of his/her death and questions if he was himself or a hi-tech AI.  Liara tells Shep that She wished he/she told her because she knew from the moment he/she touched her that it was Shepard

TIM is indoctrinated, whouldn't know what is what with anything, can't trust TIM..or anything he says, besides, Miranda is his 'nurse' so to speak and head dr. Heck we don't even know whose technology actually brought Shep back, even Shep. Made IT folks go kind of crazy if you ask me...

[Wayning_Star]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Combining organic and inorganic compounds is not even remotely similar to genetic engineering. DNA is a purely organic concept.

Tell that to synthesis.

Yep, there are science folks out there that actually believe that our DNA is actually computer code..ain't that kick in the quads..

edit: added one example, atheist page warning tho..there are others..this one seemed to show more 'stuff'.

http://www.cosmicfin...eists/dna-code/

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 20 septembre 2012 - 02:58 .

[hukbum]

Hmm ... if I where BW I'd do that too. Overall it's the biggest mess they left behind in that universe ^^
Reapers, Apex-Morons, Blueboy, Indoctrination ... everything is still there, no need to create something new ... You can shoot husks, Geth and Brutes again. Ok, Cerberus is gone, but they where boring anyway. Go to a store, get enough green color und here we go ME4.

As a bonus you'll get a cute husk/banshee-romance-option. Everybody will be happy ...

As you can see - developers easy way out ^^




Oh boy ... this is not going to happen, isn't it?

Modifié par hukbum, 20 septembre 2012 - 02:55 .

[GreyReaver]

Wayning_Star wrote...

GreyReaver wrote...

Demon560 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

face it folks, organics did it to themselves, Even Shep got his DNA altered to regain life... If you read this, then,technically, you're doing it now..slower fur sure..but..

but hey, I like the two cats hissing and didn't know why anyone would post broken glass sound effects.

maybe they're already synthesised?!?

lol

Wait shep got his DNA altered, when did that happen, i get that he was brought back with a lot of tech, but i doubt that Shep was anything similar with anyone post synthesis, their whole DNA was changed, but Shepard still had the same DNA as any other human, right?

Correct. To my knowledge, Shepard only had synthetic implants but was otherwise him or herself biologically speaking.  TIM was very specific that he wanted Shepard to be Shepard.  If you brought Liara and she was your LI to the assualt on TIMs base when EDI informs Shep that there is a terminal that has not been fully scrubbed, Shep learns the true extent of his/her death and questions if he was himself or a hi-tech AI.  Liara tells Shep that She wished he/she told her because she knew from the moment he/she touched her that it was Shepard

TIM is indoctrinated, whouldn't know what is what with anything, can't trust TIM..or anything he says, besides, Miranda is his 'nurse' so to speak and head dr. Heck we don't even know whose technology actually brought Shep back, even Shep. Made IT folks go kind of crazy if you ask me...

What??? TIM wasn't indoctrinated at the beginning of ME2.

[GreyReaver]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Combining organic and inorganic compounds is not even remotely similar to genetic engineering. DNA is a purely organic concept.

Tell that to synthesis.

D'oh, don't confuse me with sci-fi facts! /sarcasm well-played btw

Modifié par GreyReaver, 20 septembre 2012 - 02:56 .

[Hudathan]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Tell that to synthesis.

I don't see a problem with that picture. Just because it's not what we have NOW doesn't mean it's not possible within the unknown laws of our universe. I say unknown because we know next to nothing, and trying to rule anything out based on what little we do know is actually laughable.

[Malanek]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Combining organic and inorganic compounds is not even remotely similar to genetic engineering. DNA is a purely organic concept.

Tell that to synthesis.

Again though, your original comment was that we already do this. We don't.

[Eterna]

You guys have been trolled.

[Wayning_Star]

GreyReaver wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

GreyReaver wrote...

Demon560 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

face it folks, organics did it to themselves, Even Shep got his DNA altered to regain life... If you read this, then,technically, you're doing it now..slower fur sure..but..

but hey, I like the two cats hissing and didn't know why anyone would post broken glass sound effects.

maybe they're already synthesised?!?

lol

Wait shep got his DNA altered, when did that happen, i get that he was brought back with a lot of tech, but i doubt that Shep was anything similar with anyone post synthesis, their whole DNA was changed, but Shepard still had the same DNA as any other human, right?

Correct. To my knowledge, Shepard only had synthetic implants but was otherwise him or herself biologically speaking.  TIM was very specific that he wanted Shepard to be Shepard.  If you brought Liara and she was your LI to the assualt on TIMs base when EDI informs Shep that there is a terminal that has not been fully scrubbed, Shep learns the true extent of his/her death and questions if he was himself or a hi-tech AI.  Liara tells Shep that She wished he/she told her because she knew from the moment he/she touched her that it was Shepard

TIM is indoctrinated, whouldn't know what is what with anything, can't trust TIM..or anything he says, besides, Miranda is his 'nurse' so to speak and head dr. Heck we don't even know whose technology actually brought Shep back, even Shep. Made IT folks go kind of crazy if you ask me...

What??? TIM wasn't indoctrinated at the beginning of ME2.

yeah, he was, just not enough yet..but any is enough to toss his ligitamacy. I never believed anything he says..too much of an ego maniac and secretive to be straight up. Perfect for the reaper mental to utilize..just like poor old Saren who just couldn't be wrong...oop's.