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[liggy002]

Is this some kind of joke? Somebody must be trolling.

[shodiswe]

AllegedVixEo wrote...

I think what Jessica Merizan supposedly says makes a lot of sense. I've been saying that for awhile too. Synthesis is the only way they can create a new game chronologically after ME3, and still write in an explanation for the other two choices without completely negating them.

-To make a ME4 game that plays off destroy would completely negate the other two decisions, same with control.. It would make it like the other choices never even happened.

But using synth as a cannon ending, they leave the possibility that even if you chose destroy or control to end your Shepard saga, synthesis occurred much later anyway. As the Catalyst states, it has become "inevitable". I think that's a really smart way to proceed with ME4.

I'd buy it.

That would explain why the catalyst can agree with Both Destroy and control even if it favors Synthesis, it has realized it will happen anyway and that the galaxy has already changed and evolved. It's work is done, you may pick which ever you like, the fast the medium or the slow path to synthesis.

Destroy is the slow way to evolve but it will still happen eventualy, Control will make it slow and controlled allowing people to accept the gift when they are ready and people will accept it once they realize how much of an advantage their friends and colleagues have over them if they want to stay employed in the current jobs market. Control is the medium fast path to synthesis.
And Synthesis is the immediate upgrade of the galaxy. Within seconds of synthesis they can argue the pros and cons and ehtics and all other differences they might have had that would otherwise have taken decades to resolve.

And there we have it.

Edited sidenote, not lending any credibility to the OP's sources or if it's current material, might have been dropped after considering the possibility if it ever was one.

Modifié par shodiswe, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:21 .

[ObserverStatus]

Um, no, I'm not buying any mass effect games if I have to put up with the silly glowing lines on everyone faces the whole time. It was bad enough having to look at them for like, 2 minutes.

[Siran]

Funny how something someone's brother who gets re-quoted in a forum supposedly heard at a games-fair is more valid than an actual video-recorded proof in which not only Jessica, but the writers and producers say that there is no canon ending...

Modifié par Siran, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:56 .

[Astralify]

And I thought that things can't get any worse. ME sequel featuring NEW WORLD (galactic) ORDER? They've killed the franchise and now they want to rape it's corpse...

[Someone With Mass]

It's almost as if it was completely stupid and pointless to give the player three pretty different choices at the end of the trilogy, where they'd have no consequences, since BioWare is the one making the canon, not the player.

[Ieldra]

OP, you should change your thread title, because what Jessica Merizan supposedly said is most emphatically not "Synthesis is canon ending".

It says "Synthesis will eventually happen in all endings". As AllegedVixEo pointed out above, this makes sense because a synthesized future can incorporate the other two endings. It's the only way to make a unified future without negating the effects of any one choice.

It would have to include the following elements as well:
*The Reapers are gone. How they are gone is history dependent on your ME3 choice and headcanon, but in any case they're not a factor.
*Shepard is a myth. There may be a myth about Shepard's mind residing in the Citadel but nobody has ever found it. What really happened: your choice.
*The mass relay network is intact. I don't like this because I like to envision people researching alternatives, but a destroyed relay network would invalidate Control.

I'm conflicted about the idea btw. Unsurprisingly, I like the idea of a post-Synthesis future, it has great potential for storytelling. But it would make choosing Synthesis in ME3 pointless. If it happens anyway, I might as well choose Control and spare myself the weight of a decision that changes all life in the galaxy.

[Col.Aurion]

hahahaha oh wow w8 Srsly?!?!?

[wright1978]

Ieldra2 wrote...

OP, you should change your thread title, because what Jessica Merizan supposedly said is most emphatically not "Synthesis is canon ending".

It says "Synthesis will eventually happen in all endings". As AllegedVixEo pointed out above, this makes sense because a synthesized future can incorporate the other two endings. It's the only way to make a unified future without negating the effects of any one choice.

It would have to include the following elements as well:
*The Reapers are gone. How they are gone is history dependent on your ME3 choice and headcanon, but in any case they're not a factor.
*Shepard is a myth. There may be a myth about Shepard's mind residing in the Citadel but nobody has ever found it. What really happened: your choice.
*The mass relay network is intact. I don't like this because I like to envision people researching alternatives, but a destroyed relay network would invalidate Control.

I'm conflicted about the idea btw. Unsurprisingly, I like the idea of a post-Synthesis future, it has great potential for storytelling. But it would make choosing Synthesis in ME3 pointless. If it happens anyway, I might as well choose Control and spare myself the weight of a decision that changes all life in the galaxy.

I think it is a ludicrously insulting idea to take people's completely different endings and pull a 'hey presto' your choice is meaningless as our preferred ending will happen anyway. If they want to carry on choose a canon ending but don'ty invalidate everyone's Shep story. Really hoping this is just her personal opinion and not a further attempt to shove their ending upon people.

[Essalor]

What does it mean " It will happen?". A very pretentious claim and there's a difference between evolution and green magic. It doesn't matter if it will happen in a million years, in ME universe it's just not a fit.

[kobayashi-maru]

As a always Destroy ending person I don't disagree with the future games Synthesis as happened starting point. It was inevitable for it to happen - just not to the extreme of leaves being changed - my ME3 ending issue was forcing it. It would happen eventually naturally due to the blending of the synthetic and biological in the ME universe. My issue was always the whole Krogan argument, where forcing tech caused there downfall and how the Synthetic ending was doing the same thing to vastly more species - Yahg etc.

If anything it suggests future games will be set millenia into the future to allow for it. Would allow for a Universal starting point for ME4. Opening could take ending options into account maybe by mentioning rebuilding of synthetic life if chose destroy, changes if chose synthesis and how control led to blending of organic and synthetic. Only problem I foresee would be the Reaper issue. In two of four endings they survive as do mutated husks, brutes etc and in others they probably don't. How thta addressed will be interesting.

Modifié par kobayashi-maru, 20 septembre 2012 - 08:38 .

[ghost9191]

and the fact the catalsyt says that synthesis will happen now that they know it is possible. could simply mean, now that the reapers know how they will achieve it, with or wihtout shepards help

and reapers will be part of the universe for control and synthesis choice. destroy not so much, unless some artard decided to bring them back ,

Modifié par ghost9191, 20 septembre 2012 - 08:39 .

[Someone With Mass]

The really funny thing is that if Synthesis is inevitable, then it just makes the Synthesis choice utterly pointless. Because it'll apparently happen regardless of what you do.

[Ieldra]

BringBackNihlus wrote...
That's nice and all, but I really don't want to see everyone walking around with green eyes and veins. Do not want.

Neither do I, but I've always seen the green effects as artistic representations of mostly invisible changes.

[Ieldra]

Someone With Mass wrote...
The really funny thing is that if Synthesis is inevitable, then it just makes the Synthesis choice utterly pointless. Because it'll apparently happen regardless of what you do.

Yeah. But I like the idea of a post-Synthesis future. I'd pay the price of seeing my favorite choice made pointless.

That's not to say I like the idea of a canon ending in the first place. IMO there should be no sequel at all and no unified future.

[kobayashi-maru]

Ieldra2 wrote...

BringBackNihlus wrote...
That's nice and all, but I really don't want to see everyone walking around with green eyes and veins. Do not want.

Neither do I, but I've always seen the green effects as artistic representations of mostly invisible changes.

Me too, but more a quick way to illustrate using already rendered scenes - add green effects. Quick explanation it was only a short term thing due to biological systems still in process of full melding.

[Ieldra]

kobayashi-maru wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

BringBackNihlus wrote...
That's nice and all, but I really don't want to see everyone walking around with green eyes and veins. Do not want.

Neither do I, but I've always seen the green effects as artistic representations of mostly invisible changes.

Me too, but more a quick way to illustrate using already rendered scenes - add green effects. Quick explanation it was only a short term thing due to biological systems still in process of full melding.

That's a possibility. But it doesn't explain that Garrus' armor in the scene at the memorial wall has green patterns. LOL, they fixed Joker's hat but put something even more jarring in.

[Stalker]

There are not many who have actually chosen Synthesis and it would simply be stupid to canonize it from both a business and artistic standpoint.

I don't see a valid source for this statement anyway...

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 20 septembre 2012 - 08:54 .

[ghost9191]

eh i would like to see destroy as canon, only way i would pay,. well at least that way the reapers are gone a new threat can be found or some bs. only ending, besides refuse, that they would be truly gone and races can do their own thing

but if bioware picks synthesis as canon they might lose customers for it, same as destroy and well the second least fav control

well actually i don't know, maybe ppl will buy it that is fine. just don't like the idea of it. i think i died a little when i read the thread title

Modifié par ghost9191, 20 septembre 2012 - 08:55 .

[JBPBRC]

Mr Massakka wrote...

There are not many who have actually chosen Synthesis and it would simply be stupid to canonize it from both a business and artistic standpoint.

I don't see a valid source for this statement anyway...

Just because a good number of people chose an option doesn't mean they'll go with it. I'm sure many people picked Anderson to be the human Councilor...

[ElSuperGecko]

Master Xanthan wrote...
Synthesis would be a terrible canon ending.

I for one welcome our new ingalactic genetic space-rape canon ending...

...no, wait, you're right.  Synthesis is a horrific abomination and makes Shepard the most notorious and vile war criminal since, well, the Catalyst itself. 

[Stalker]

JBPBRC wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

There are not many who have actually chosen Synthesis and it would simply be stupid to canonize it from both a business and artistic standpoint.

I don't see a valid source for this statement anyway...

Just because a good number of people chose an option doesn't mean they'll go with it. I'm sure many people picked Anderson to be the human Councilor...

Synthesis caused a controversy. People tend to hate that it's even an option because the Synthetics-vs-Organics plot is ridiculous.

You think many would buy it, now that their decisions are finally completely meaningless and they are forced to play a game that's completely centered around that thing they don't like?

Sales for a synthesis game would be terrible. This is just some stupid rumor that's not going to happen.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 20 septembre 2012 - 09:06 .

[Dharvy]

What did our choices really alter besides some different dialogue throughout the games ME1-3? Really? No matter what choices we made the main events still happened. The ending choices could impact how ME4 operate nearly on the same premise.

To somehow blend all the endings then a form of synthesis have to happen and the Reapers have to be gone in some way. The reality is that even if synthesis somehow happen everyone's ending is going to be invalidated if they make the Reapers gone to compensate the Destroy enders. Or they can make the Reapers not gone then that will invalidate the people who picked Destroy. Also everyone don't have to be green as in synthesis, they could always make a reason or way people can change their appearance.

All in all our end choices in ME3 to ME4 could matter just as much as our decisions matter from ME1 to ME2 to ME3. Of course change a few things but the main events still happen.

[Jere85]

Synthesis never happened. Its all a myth