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[darkpassenger2342]

FasterThanFTL wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...

What I am saying is that if you going to test the AI at least let them see you for the whole match. If you are hiding with Tactical cloak the AI will target your teammates instead of you. How can you tell if the AI is harder or easier if they are not targeting you most of the match. Try a non-infiltrator class with a better shotgun than a crusader and repeat the test. Using an infiltrator is same for both but the AI's reaction to non-infiltrators should be different. When you cloak the the AI stops targeting you and starts going towards your teammates until you are the last person left, then Tactical cloak is kind of useless.

Believe it or not, even on consoles, we understand the mechanics of tactical cloak.
You already backed yourself into a corner.

I am not trying to disrespect you in any way we are doing this for science, its just how can it be claimed that the AI is easier or same on PC without even completing the match or doing the match without an Infiltrator. Even on Xbox 360 I am sure the AI ignores you when you cloak and lets you survive much easily doesn't it. The same thing happens on PC, that is all I am saying. Repeat the test and Platinum has not even been attempted yet, that is a totally different experience in many ways to Gold.

 do i have to post all the stuff you said in the other thread again??? i really don't want to.
 you intentionally disrespected every console player repeatedly, to the point where we thought it was sarcasm but it wasnt.
 WE know how tactical cloak works, its no different on pc than consoles....
do you even own an xbox/ps3????
 or are you still talking out of your butt?

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 20 septembre 2012 - 05:58 .

[FasterThanFTL]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...

What I am saying is that if you going to test the AI at least let them see you for the whole match. If you are hiding with Tactical cloak the AI will target your teammates instead of you. How can you tell if the AI is harder or easier if they are not targeting you most of the match. Try a non-infiltrator class with a better shotgun than a crusader and repeat the test. Using an infiltrator is same for both but the AI's reaction to non-infiltrators should be different. When you cloak the the AI stops targeting you and starts going towards your teammates until you are the last person left, then Tactical cloak is kind of useless.

Believe it or not, even on consoles, we understand the mechanics of tactical cloak.
You already backed yourself into a corner.

I am not trying to disrespect you in any way we are doing this for science, its just how can it be claimed that the AI is easier or same on PC without even completing the match or doing the match without an Infiltrator. Even on Xbox 360 I am sure the AI ignores you when you cloak and lets you survive much easily doesn't it. The same thing happens on PC, that is all I am saying. Repeat the test and Platinum has not even been attempted yet, that is a totally different experience in many ways to Gold.

 do i have to post all the stuff you sad in the other thread again??? i really don't want to.
 you intentionally disrespected every console player repeatedly, to the point where we thought it was sarcasm but it wasnt.
 WE know how tactical cloak works, its no different on pc than consoles....
do you even own an xbox/ps3????
 or are you still talking out of your butt.

I want to have a civilised discussion with INVADERONE without interference from people who have not played the PC version so please dont try to fight me otherwise I might get banned if I respond to you.

[darkpassenger2342]

FasterThanFTL wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...

What I am saying is that if you going to test the AI at least let them see you for the whole match. If you are hiding with Tactical cloak the AI will target your teammates instead of you. How can you tell if the AI is harder or easier if they are not targeting you most of the match. Try a non-infiltrator class with a better shotgun than a crusader and repeat the test. Using an infiltrator is same for both but the AI's reaction to non-infiltrators should be different. When you cloak the the AI stops targeting you and starts going towards your teammates until you are the last person left, then Tactical cloak is kind of useless.

Believe it or not, even on consoles, we understand the mechanics of tactical cloak.
You already backed yourself into a corner.

I am not trying to disrespect you in any way we are doing this for science, its just how can it be claimed that the AI is easier or same on PC without even completing the match or doing the match without an Infiltrator. Even on Xbox 360 I am sure the AI ignores you when you cloak and lets you survive much easily doesn't it. The same thing happens on PC, that is all I am saying. Repeat the test and Platinum has not even been attempted yet, that is a totally different experience in many ways to Gold.

 do i have to post all the stuff you sad in the other thread again??? i really don't want to.
 you intentionally disrespected every console player repeatedly, to the point where we thought it was sarcasm but it wasnt.
 WE know how tactical cloak works, its no different on pc than consoles....
do you even own an xbox/ps3????
 or are you still talking out of your butt.

I want to have a civilised discussion with INVADERONE without interference from people who have not played the PC version so please dont try to fight me otherwise I might get banned if I respond to you.

 the entire reason you are having the discussion on this thread and were proven wrong by invaderone in the first place is because you were such a lying douchebag to console players on the other thread... including me.
too bad.
 you were full of crap and i enjoyed seeing it come out.
 YOU are the one who included me in this by being a jerkoff.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:06 .

[INVADERONE]

FasterThanFTL wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...

What I am saying is that if you going to test the AI at least let them see you for the whole match. If you are hiding with Tactical cloak the AI will target your teammates instead of you. How can you tell if the AI is harder or easier if they are not targeting you most of the match. Try a non-infiltrator class with a better shotgun than a crusader and repeat the test. Using an infiltrator is same for both but the AI's reaction to non-infiltrators should be different. When you cloak the the AI stops targeting you and starts going towards your teammates until you are the last person left, then Tactical cloak is kind of useless.

Believe it or not, even on consoles, we understand the mechanics of tactical cloak.
You already backed yourself into a corner.

I am not trying to disrespect you in any way we are doing this for science, its just how can it be claimed that the AI is easier or same on PC without even completing the match or doing the match without an Infiltrator. Even on Xbox 360 I am sure the AI ignores you when you cloak and lets you survive much easily doesn't it. The same thing happens on PC, that is all I am saying. Repeat the test and Platinum has not even been attempted yet, that is a totally different experience in many ways to Gold.

 do i have to post all the stuff you sad in the other thread again??? i really don't want to.
 you intentionally disrespected every console player repeatedly, to the point where we thought it was sarcasm but it wasnt.
 WE know how tactical cloak works, its no different on pc than consoles....
do you even own an xbox/ps3????
 or are you still talking out of your butt.

I want to have a civilised discussion with INVADERONE without interference from people who have not played the PC version so please dont try to fight me otherwise I might get banned if I respond to you.

No worries. I'll do a second non infiltrator run. CAnt imagine the enemy being different. So far they seem the same on both. 

[peddroelm]

INVADERONE wrote...

No worries. I'll do a second non infiltrator run. CAnt imagine the enemy being different. So far they seem the same on both. 

Should edit the inflamatory thread title then ...

[Tatsumaki]

So I've been following this thus far. I have my views, but now isn't the time to post it - but I'll say this:
On top of testing solo difficulty, why not test accuracy and response time. How?

Some rough suggestions off the top of my head.
Test on both platforms

A) Test Marauder response time by coming out of cover (Don't get fired at prior) and try to get to melee range. Purpose of this test to is to see how fast they react to rifle butt you.

Test Marauder accuracy. Difficult to do this, but stand still and clock time until you get gunned down by one.

C) Test mob turnaround time. Circle strafe a few mobs (Marauders, Phantoms, Centurions) and see how fast they turn around and open fire.

D) Test Trooper / Marauder dodge frequency, response time. Fire Warps from far and see how many connects (without firing bullets)

Modifié par Tatsumaki, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:19 .

[corporal doody]

Tatsumaki wrote...



D) Test Trooper / Marauder dodge frequency, response time. Fire Warps from far and see how many connects (without firing bullets)

THIS...i wanna know THIS!!

[FasterThanFTL]

I am still not convinced more tests are needed to for me to believe that the AI is same for consoles and PC.

Use 360 controller on the PC version and my requirements for being convinced the PC AI is same as consoles:
1. Play a non-infiltrator
2. Complete a gold match other than FBWGG (remember non-infiltrator)
3. Play Platinum and try to do good (remember non-infiltrator)
4. Do a gold solo someday when weapons & equipment are decent (remember non-infiltrator)

After doing 1-3 if you say its same I will be 75% convinced. After doing 4 I will be 100% convinced that the AI is same. Is is too hard to achieve this for the great INVADERONE, I don't think so. This is my next challenge to you if you can do this I will accept your claims without hesitation whatever they are. But please leave your bias out of this monumental test.

[darkpassenger2342]

[quote]FasterThanFTL wrote...

[quote]Razerath wrote...

[quote]FasterThanFTL wrote...

[quote]Razerath wrote...

[quote]FasterThanFTL wrote...

[quote]Razerath wrote...

[quote]FasterThanFTL wrote...

The reason is simple 90% of the ultra hardcore players are on PC. Looking at your videos the console versions platinum is a mix of PC's Gold enemies and console versions Gold is PC's silver enemies and PC's platinum if it was on consoles would be called Diamond for consoles. If you don't believe this try playing the PC platinum with an Xbox 360 controller. The games on PC are much faster the enemies move faster, we can move faster, the enemies are more accurate, we are more accurate. Everything is more intense and we are trained to be better at the game than the console gamers. You will be considered a knowledgeable noob if you played on PC and would struggle for a few days as you adjust to a higher difficulty.[/quote]

Lol... not quite.

[/quote]

How about you try to play the PC version with me with a 360 controller and try to get 25% of my score on Gold or Platinum. I will leave gaming forever. I will even use any character you choose.

[/quote]

If that could happen, you'd eat your words. I promise.

[/quote]

I even know more about the game than you its not only about the controls. I am much more skilled and experienced at this game than you can hope to be.

[/quote]

Prove it.

Post up your best time, on any map, on Gold. Or are you only talking about soloing?

[/quote]

I mostly play Platinums with randoms so I am talking about you scoring 25% of the score I achieve in that match. For example if I get 200,000 you have to get 50,000 or more. But we will be playing Platinum on PC and I will be playing with mouse/keyboard and you will be playing with an xbox 360 controller. I will not be reviving you and no rockets will be allowed for both.

[/quote]

[quote]FasterThanFTL wrote...

[quote]caineghis2500 wrote...

[quote]FasterThanFTL wrote...

[quote]Razerath wrote...

[quote]FasterThanFTL wrote...

[quote]Razerath wrote...

FTL, score hardly matters. I'm still not quite sure in which way you believe it does. If you want to prove to me that you are good in the slightest, post a sub 12 minute run on Goddess. Use the best PC players you can find?

Good luck.[/quote]

What I am saying you console ME3 experts would not even survive platinum on your first trys on PC playing with a 360 controller. Anyone who can do a Platinum solo on PC with a 360 controller I will declare him god of this game. The ME3 on PC is much harder which is all I am saying and the PC gamers are trained at a higher difficulty of ME3 and as a result are much better overall and combine that with years and years of fast paced hardcore shooter experience and you have a recipe for the most skilled players on the planet who can set amazing times even with a higher difficulty PC version.

[/quote]

I am very familiar with PC gaming and first person shooters. Roots man, roots. I've also seen ME3 MP played on PC and to be honest, it wasn't quite as you describe. No matter how "crisp" it can get, good tactics are good tactics.

In a roundabout way are you saying that playing on console is easier? That is just not true if that is what you are saying. Your turning speed witchcraft, faster loading times and not-so-laggy/glitchy ( better frame rate ) matches are a much better advantage than Xbox's auto-swarmer-kill, lame camera and damn heavy servers.

[/quote]

What I am saying you Xbox 360 elite gamers should give the PC version a try with a 360 controller and then u will understand what I am saying. I never said playing the 360 version was easy I said the PC version is much harder to play with a 360 controller than it is to play the 360 version with a 360 controller. Sorry for not being clear enough. PC version is programmed to be much harder so that the PC controls do not destroy the AI easily. Do you understand, Bioware made the PC version harder so that we felt equally challenged as the console gamers with their limited controls.

[/quote]

hmmm this post is misleading. at first it seems as though yer not talking down to us and everything is cool but if i really think about it, you are subliminally establishing pc superiority with that comment[/quote]

Don't think too much it is what it says the PC version is clearly much harder then the console version if both are played with the same 360 controller. All the AI enemies receive a huge buff in their skills department. PC Phantoms never touch the ground sometimes and PC Banshees move faster and constantly without stopping untill either they are dead or we are. All the weak enemies are much eviler ,more athletic, more accurate and do more damage. Even Geth Turrets can remove a krogans shield in seconds and a nemesis will always remove the whole shield of almost any character with cyclonic modulator IV with 1 shot.
[/quote]

 lmfao.... you made all this up.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:33 .

[FasterThanFTL]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...

Razerath wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...

Razerath wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...

Razerath wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...

The reason is simple 90% of the ultra hardcore players are on PC. Looking at your videos the console versions platinum is a mix of PC's Gold enemies and console versions Gold is PC's silver enemies and PC's platinum if it was on consoles would be called Diamond for consoles. If you don't believe this try playing the PC platinum with an Xbox 360 controller. The games on PC are much faster the enemies move faster, we can move faster, the enemies are more accurate, we are more accurate. Everything is more intense and we are trained to be better at the game than the console gamers. You will be considered a knowledgeable noob if you played on PC and would struggle for a few days as you adjust to a higher difficulty.

Lol... not quite.

How about you try to play the PC version with me with a 360 controller and try to get 25% of my score on Gold or Platinum. I will leave gaming forever. I will even use any character you choose.

If that could happen, you'd eat your words. I promise.

I even know more about the game than you its not only about the controls. I am much more skilled and experienced at this game than you can hope to be.

Prove it.

Post up your best time, on any map, on Gold. Or are you only talking about soloing?

I mostly play Platinums with randoms so I am talking about you scoring 25% of the score I achieve in that match. For example if I get 200,000 you have to get 50,000 or more. But we will be playing Platinum on PC and I will be playing with mouse/keyboard and you will be playing with an xbox 360 controller. I will not be reviving you and no rockets will be allowed for both.

That challenge was for Razerath bring him I am always ready. Or do you want want to do it on his behalf. I am ready for you too.

[INVADERONE]

FasterThanFTL wrote...

I am still not convinced more tests are needed to for me to believe that the AI is same for consoles and PC.

Use 360 controller on the PC version and my requirements for being convinced the PC AI is same as consoles:
1. Play a non-infiltrator
2. Complete a gold match other than FBWGG (remember non-infiltrator)
3. Play Platinum and try to do good (remember non-infiltrator)
4. Do a gold solo someday when weapons & equipment are decent (remember non-infiltrator)

After doing 1-3 if you say its same I will be 75% convinced. After doing 4 I will be 100% convinced that the AI is same. Is is too hard to achieve this for the great INVADERONE, I don't think so. This is my next challenge to you if you can do this I will accept your claims without hesitation whatever they are. But please leave your bias out of this monumental test.

Bias? I thought it was you who claimed PC to be more difficult than console.

In regards to your challenge I can't accept unless you do the same. I purchased a 360 controller for the PC, Full version of Fraps and took the time to try. Are you willing to do the same for a challenge from me and play on console? Probably not right?

Don't challenge unless you are willing to step up. If you are the I'll post my challenge but I doubt you'll try from what I'm gathering. Or will you step up?

Modifié par INVADERONE, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:33 .

[FasterThanFTL]

[quote]darkpassenger2342 wrote...

[quote]FasterThanFTL wrote...

[quote]Razerath wrote...

[quote]FasterThanFTL wrote...

[quote]Razerath wrote...

[quote]FasterThanFTL wrote...

[quote]Razerath wrote...

[quote]FasterThanFTL wrote...

The reason is simple 90% of the ultra hardcore players are on PC. Looking at your videos the console versions platinum is a mix of PC's Gold enemies and console versions Gold is PC's silver enemies and PC's platinum if it was on consoles would be called Diamond for consoles. If you don't believe this try playing the PC platinum with an Xbox 360 controller. The games on PC are much faster the enemies move faster, we can move faster, the enemies are more accurate, we are more accurate. Everything is more intense and we are trained to be better at the game than the console gamers. You will be considered a knowledgeable noob if you played on PC and would struggle for a few days as you adjust to a higher difficulty.[/quote]

Lol... not quite.

[/quote]

How about you try to play the PC version with me with a 360 controller and try to get 25% of my score on Gold or Platinum. I will leave gaming forever. I will even use any character you choose.

[/quote]

If that could happen, you'd eat your words. I promise.

[/quote]

I even know more about the game than you its not only about the controls. I am much more skilled and experienced at this game than you can hope to be.

[/quote]

Prove it.

Post up your best time, on any map, on Gold. Or are you only talking about soloing?

[/quote]

I mostly play Platinums with randoms so I am talking about you scoring 25% of the score I achieve in that match. For example if I get 200,000 you have to get 50,000 or more. But we will be playing Platinum on PC and I will be playing with mouse/keyboard and you will be playing with an xbox 360 controller. I will not be reviving you and no rockets will be allowed for both.

[/quote]

[quote]FasterThanFTL wrote...

[quote]caineghis2500 wrote...

[quote]FasterThanFTL wrote...

[quote]Razerath wrote...

[quote]FasterThanFTL wrote...

[quote]Razerath wrote...

FTL, score hardly matters. I'm still not quite sure in which way you believe it does. If you want to prove to me that you are good in the slightest, post a sub 12 minute run on Goddess. Use the best PC players you can find?

Good luck.[/quote]

What I am saying you console ME3 experts would not even survive platinum on your first trys on PC playing with a 360 controller. Anyone who can do a Platinum solo on PC with a 360 controller I will declare him god of this game. The ME3 on PC is much harder which is all I am saying and the PC gamers are trained at a higher difficulty of ME3 and as a result are much better overall and combine that with years and years of fast paced hardcore shooter experience and you have a recipe for the most skilled players on the planet who can set amazing times even with a higher difficulty PC version.

[/quote]

I am very familiar with PC gaming and first person shooters. Roots man, roots. I've also seen ME3 MP played on PC and to be honest, it wasn't quite as you describe. No matter how "crisp" it can get, good tactics are good tactics.

In a roundabout way are you saying that playing on console is easier? That is just not true if that is what you are saying. Your turning speed witchcraft, faster loading times and not-so-laggy/glitchy ( better frame rate ) matches are a much better advantage than Xbox's auto-swarmer-kill, lame camera and damn heavy servers.

[/quote]

What I am saying you Xbox 360 elite gamers should give the PC version a try with a 360 controller and then u will understand what I am saying. I never said playing the 360 version was easy I said the PC version is much harder to play with a 360 controller than it is to play the 360 version with a 360 controller. Sorry for not being clear enough. PC version is programmed to be much harder so that the PC controls do not destroy the AI easily. Do you understand, Bioware made the PC version harder so that we felt equally challenged as the console gamers with their limited controls.

[/quote]

hmmm this post is misleading. at first it seems as though yer not talking down to us and everything is cool but if i really think about it, you are subliminally establishing pc superiority with that comment[/quote]

Don't think too much it is what it says the PC version is clearly much harder then the console version if both are played with the same 360 controller. All the AI enemies receive a huge buff in their skills department. PC Phantoms never touch the ground sometimes and PC Banshees move faster and constantly without stopping untill either they are dead or we are. All the weak enemies are much eviler ,more athletic, more accurate and do more damage. Even Geth Turrets can remove a krogans shield in seconds and a nemesis will always remove the whole shield of almost any character with cyclonic modulator IV with 1 shot.
[/quote]

[/quote]

Try PC platinum yourself, there is nothing I will say that will convince you. All I can say is try it yourself too see if I lie or speak the truth.

[INVADERONE]

INVADERONE wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...

I am still not convinced more tests are needed to for me to believe that the AI is same for consoles and PC.

Use 360 controller on the PC version and my requirements for being convinced the PC AI is same as consoles:
1. Play a non-infiltrator
2. Complete a gold match other than FBWGG (remember non-infiltrator)
3. Play Platinum and try to do good (remember non-infiltrator)
4. Do a gold solo someday when weapons & equipment are decent (remember non-infiltrator)

After doing 1-3 if you say its same I will be 75% convinced. After doing 4 I will be 100% convinced that the AI is same. Is is too hard to achieve this for the great INVADERONE, I don't think so. This is my next challenge to you if you can do this I will accept your claims without hesitation whatever they are. But please leave your bias out of this monumental test.

Bias? I thought it was you who claimed PC to be more difficult than console.

In regards to your challenge I can't accept unless you do the same. I purchased a 360 controller for the PC, Full version of Fraps and took the time to try. Are you willing to do the same for a challenge from me and play on console? Probably not right?

Don't challenge unless you are willing to step up. If you are the I'll post my challenge but I doubt you'll try from what I'm gathering. Or will you step up?

^^^This

[Ziegrif]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...
 I understand what you mean but i do not have a gaming pc and mass effect  3.
 i have no choice but to trust another.
im certainly not buying a gaming pc and ME3 just to find out this guy is wrong,
which has already been pretty much decided, and based on his lame responses to his own words, he knows it.

Yup that's entirely fine!
Monetary limits is a good enough reason to take information from others.
Just bear in mind that it's subjective information and can vary from person to person depending on their gamng habits and style.
Not saying yer wrong, just saying to keep an open mind.

If we really wanted to get an objective view on which is easier/harder we'd hafta make a bot run a test course with the same specs as a PC and XBOX, compare some times, compare data, bullets used, powers used. etc etc. And course that'd just test the bare bones mechanics and would ignore subjective situations like an Ambush or Tunnel vision situations.

Also INVADERONE!
Looking at your manifest you have no excuse NOT to try an Incisor 1 run! FOR THE LULZ!

[FasterThanFTL]

INVADERONE wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...

I am still not convinced more tests are needed to for me to believe that the AI is same for consoles and PC.

Use 360 controller on the PC version and my requirements for being convinced the PC AI is same as consoles:
1. Play a non-infiltrator
2. Complete a gold match other than FBWGG (remember non-infiltrator)
3. Play Platinum and try to do good (remember non-infiltrator)
4. Do a gold solo someday when weapons & equipment are decent (remember non-infiltrator)

After doing 1-3 if you say its same I will be 75% convinced. After doing 4 I will be 100% convinced that the AI is same. Is is too hard to achieve this for the great INVADERONE, I don't think so. This is my next challenge to you if you can do this I will accept your claims without hesitation whatever they are. But please leave your bias out of this monumental test.

Bias? I thought it was you who claimed PC to be more difficult than console.

In regards to your challenge I can't accept unless you do the same. I purchased a 360 controller for the PC, Full version of Fraps and took the time to try. Are you willing to do the same for a challenge from me and play on console? Probably not right?

Don't challenge unless you are willing to step up. If you are the I'll post my challenge but I doubt you'll try from what I'm gathering. Or will you step up?

Sorry I meant no disrespect to the console gamers, but these are the simple conditions that will have me convinced. And again I am sorry I may have angered you by calling it a challenge, remember we are just doing a test and not challenge so if I am wrong so be it. But I think and don't get angry that your claim that the PC AI is same or easier based on a failed Wave 6 gold mission with an a Quarian Male Infiltrator was kind of premature. There is a reason I play shooters on PC its because of the Mouse and Keyboard, and if there was some way to use my mouse and Keyboard on consoles without spending lots of money on really expensive and hard to find equipment I would gladly try some exclusive shooters on both the PS3 and Xbox 360 even more particularly the FPS kind. That said I would still be great in ME3 MP even with the controller because I know how to use it great and I have played lots of exclusive shooters on 360 like the Gears series on the hardest difficulties before but with a mouse and keyboard the multiplatform games just feel natural to me and I am superb with it just like you are superb with a controller.

Modifié par FasterThanFTL, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:56 .

[darkpassenger2342]

Ziegrif wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...
 I understand what you mean but i do not have a gaming pc and mass effect  3.
 i have no choice but to trust another.
im certainly not buying a gaming pc and ME3 just to find out this guy is wrong,
which has already been pretty much decided, and based on his lame responses to his own words, he knows it.

Yup that's entirely fine!
Monetary limits is a good enough reason to take information from others.
Just bear in mind that it's subjective information and can vary from person to person depending on their gamng habits and style.
Not saying yer wrong, just saying to keep an open mind.

If we really wanted to get an objective view on which is easier/harder we'd hafta make a bot run a test course with the same specs as a PC and XBOX, compare some times, compare data, bullets used, powers used. etc etc. And course that'd just test the bare bones mechanics and would ignore subjective situations like an Ambush or Tunnel vision situations.

Also INVADERONE!
Looking at your manifest you have no excuse NOT to try an Incisor 1 run! FOR THE LULZ!

 Maybe we can get  a developer to answer the question within a few days..... the tests still mean alot, but id like to see what they had to say about it.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:46 .

[Ziegrif]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

Ziegrif wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...
 I understand what you mean but i do not have a gaming pc and mass effect  3.
 i have no choice but to trust another.
im certainly not buying a gaming pc and ME3 just to find out this guy is wrong,
which has already been pretty much decided, and based on his lame responses to his own words, he knows it.

Yup that's entirely fine!
Monetary limits is a good enough reason to take information from others.
Just bear in mind that it's subjective information and can vary from person to person depending on their gamng habits and style.
Not saying yer wrong, just saying to keep an open mind.

If we really wanted to get an objective view on which is easier/harder we'd hafta make a bot run a test course with the same specs as a PC and XBOX, compare some times, compare data, bullets used, powers used. etc etc. And course that'd just test the bare bones mechanics and would ignore subjective situations like an Ambush or Tunnel vision situations.

Also INVADERONE!
Looking at your manifest you have no excuse NOT to try an Incisor 1 run! FOR THE LULZ!

 Maybe we can get  a developer to answer the question within a few days.....

That would be very interesting indeed.

While waiting for that I'm looking forward to seeing more hilarity from the Quarian Infiltrator: I SUCK ON PC.

Modifié par Ziegrif, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:49 .

[ASmoothCriminalx]

MustangJoe wrote...

So I only play on PC, but I did try the demo on my friends Xbox, and I hated the controls. I actually have the Xbox controller for PC, but rarely use it for any games. Its good for driving and platform games
I watched your video, do you think that the xbox auto aim assist would have helped you get a headshot on that nemesis? I don't know how it works so I'm wondering if perhaps that is why some people consider the console version easier. Personally I found the demo version on xbox more difficult, mostly due to my unfamiliarity with the controls.

There's the slight tug of aim assist when you are not aiming in and the "auto aim correction" when you aim in on enemies, on consoles. In my experience the auto aim is an annoyance and I only aim in with assault rifles, snipers, and pistols but with smgs and shotguns I will just hip fire.

There is still aim assist regardless, but who can truly say that KB+M and no aim assist is more difficult than aim assist and a controller or vice versa? I just think that a controller is so limited. Watching pc players snap 90+ degrees to targets really makes me jealous.

Modifié par ASmoothCriminalx, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:55 .

[Sp3c7eR]

The AI is different on PC & console. Obviously they've kept hit points the same for balancing issues around guns and such but enemy behaviour is slightly more aggressive on PC. zHHk had access to both console & pc version coalesced.ini and he looked at the values for enemy response delay between "seeing" the player and initiating attack and it was lower on PC. Also the bursts that Atlases do are longer on PC (out of the top of my head it's 4 rockets on PC vs only 2 on console) so you don't get pinned down so often on console.

Enemy dodge/shield animation triggers more often on PC and enemy accuracy is higher. Also I might be wrong but enemies start shooting at you from further away on PC (could easily be tested on firebase dagger). I don't have exact values, but we had a discussion about that a while ago.

Obviously this is done to accommodate the differences in precision between m+k vs controller, but I think the AI difficulty is set appropriate for both in order to keep the level of challenge similar. Much respect to people who can use the controller well, I know I'd totally embarass myself if I tried.

[Eriseley]

I noticed you set your reticle and strafed to line up shots, was that just because of the issues you were having or is that something you do normally on xbox too? Seemed to work decently well actually, neat little trick.

[INVADERONE]

Ziegrif wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...
 I understand what you mean but i do not have a gaming pc and mass effect  3.
 i have no choice but to trust another.
im certainly not buying a gaming pc and ME3 just to find out this guy is wrong,
which has already been pretty much decided, and based on his lame responses to his own words, he knows it.

Yup that's entirely fine!
Monetary limits is a good enough reason to take information from others.
Just bear in mind that it's subjective information and can vary from person to person depending on their gamng habits and style.
Not saying yer wrong, just saying to keep an open mind.

If we really wanted to get an objective view on which is easier/harder we'd hafta make a bot run a test course with the same specs as a PC and XBOX, compare some times, compare data, bullets used, powers used. etc etc. And course that'd just test the bare bones mechanics and would ignore subjective situations like an Ambush or Tunnel vision situations.

Also INVADERONE!
Looking at your manifest you have no excuse NOT to try an Incisor 1 run! FOR THE LULZ!

Lol yeah Incisor 1. When I unlocked it I wasn't sure ether to be happy or cry.

[INVADERONE]

Sp3c7eR wrote...

The AI is different on PC & console. Obviously they've kept hit points the same for balancing issues around guns and such but enemy behaviour is slightly more aggressive on PC. zHHk had access to both console & pc version coalesced.ini and he looked at the values for enemy response delay between "seeing" the player and initiating attack and it was lower on PC. Also the bursts that Atlases do are longer on PC (out of the top of my head it's 4 rockets on PC vs only 2 on console) so you don't get pinned down so often on console.

Enemy dodge/shield animation triggers more often on PC and enemy accuracy is higher. Also I might be wrong but enemies start shooting at you from further away on PC (could easily be tested on firebase dagger). I don't have exact values, but we had a discussion about that a while ago.

Obviously this is done to accommodate the differences in precision between m+k vs controller, but I think the AI difficulty is set appropriate for both in order to keep the level of challenge similar. Much respect to people who can use the controller well, I know I'd totally embarass myself if I tried.

Thanks for this. I wonder if this has changed since that time. We did an Typhoon versus Atlast as a comparison on console and PC and PC Atlas always fell with one clip but the console Atlas couldn't. 

Also when the buffs on Cereberus happened you can ask any console player if the have felt the sting of a Phantom`s Palm cannon from the far end of Hydra for example.

It would be awesome to see this info as of the game today. I'm sure your info is good Sp3c7er and greatly appreciated. If you find anything recent like this definitely share bud. Thanks for posting this.

[Sp3c7eR]

INVADERONE wrote...

Thanks for this. I wonder if this has changed since that time. We did an Typhoon versus Atlast as a comparison on console and PC and PC Atlas always fell with one clip but the console Atlas couldn't. 

Yeah, I'm not sure if the Atlas "double damage to canopy" bug is PC-only. That might explain why it's easier to bring it down quicker on PC. Maybe if you repeated the test vs Geth Prime you'd see a much similar damage comparison.

Unfortuantely I've not played the game on console and even if I had it would be hard to tell such minor differences in AI.

The ultimate test of difficulty setting vs respective controls comes in the clearing times and we've seen a very close head-to-head battle of both console and pc in the speedrun challenges. If people are setting new records by only a few seconds and the title keeps changing hands, then I'd say the game's AI is well balanced. If that wasn't the case there would be no competition.

As I said to somebody in a PM, the only thing that might actually be harder on console is soloing and I'm only saying that because I haven't seen a non-infiltrator platinum solo done on the console yet. So if anything, that might be the only real difference so to speak.

[Terry Yaki]

I think on PC it's a bit more difficult since switching between a controller with 10 buttons + D-pad and thumbsticks to something with like 40 keys or so and variable mouse sensitivity can be tricky. I wouldn't be able to get adjusted to "feathering" the right thumbstick for careful aim but I also get a bit disappointed when I have to reach up on my keyboard to access the hotkeys for the powers since my "touch-typing" isn't that great.  Also, I'm constantly trying to adjust some of the sensitivity settings as well as going through various mousepads to try and give me that "middle ground" for speed (for looking to and fro) and precision (whether I'm using the Infiltrator or I need some careful non-sniping aiming).

Modifié par Terry Yaki, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:42 .

[FasterThanFTL]

Terry Yaki wrote...

I think on PC it's a bit more difficult since switching between a controller with 10 buttons + D-pad and thumbsticks to something with like 40 keys or so and variable mouse sensitivity can be tricky. I wouldn't be able to get adjusted to "feathering" the right thumbstick for careful aim but I also get a bit disappointed when I have to reach up on my keyboard to access the hotkeys for the powers since my "touch-typing" isn't that great.

The Test here is about using the same 360 controller on both PC and 360. It has nothing to do about using Mouse Keyboard.

Pro Tip:

And besides you can configure the 5,6,7,8 keys to Q,E,C,Z for much easier access to the rocket (Q),ops survival pack (E), easily reload cancel with medigel © and themal clip (Z).