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[KingZayd]

Optimystic_X wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

a) She says we have "access" to that knowledege. Presumably that's because the Reapers are providing it. If they stop, then we don't. Besides our tech is still far behind that of the Reapers. So we're far from equal in terms of power.
I watched the ending again. He doesn't.
c) And what does that prove exactly? That destroy, control and synthesis all lead to exactly the same future eventually.

a) It's not instantaneous - there is a process, just a faster one than it would be without Synthesis. For instance, Reapers are already immortal, while EDI makes it clear we aren't there yet.

And here's what I don't understand about you people. You cite Mordin's rant about limitations as a reason to oppose Synthesis, yet when you see proof that we still have limitations/advancing to do, you somehow see that as a problem. Which is it?

So did I. He does. (I think we're at an impasse on this point.)

c) Right, so they are all equally valid in terms of stopping the conflict with the Reapers. If they wiped us out, clearly the Stargazer scene wouldn't be there, or at the very least it would be altered like it was in Refuse. The fact that it's the same as no more Reapers proves there was no further aggression.

KingZayd wrote...

The Reapers might decide they are the apex race and demand tribute from us if we want to live.

They didn't.

KingZayd wrote...

The Reapers might decide to "help us" along to our genetic destiny. And forcefully "evolve" us.

We already did.

a) So yes there is an immense Reaper-nonReaper power difference present. I've never cited Mordin's rant.
It doesn't seem to be in any of the clips I'm looking at. Can you give me a link and the time where he says this?
c) What race are the Stargazer and the child? For all we know they're the next cycle. And we've become like the Protheans to these guys.

Personally I think that Stargazer epilogue being the same for those 3 endings is evidence for them merely being what Shepard imagines as he dies. All those epilogues make sense in that context.


d)  No proof.

e) Not to the level of the Reapers.

Modifié par KingZayd, 22 mai 2013 - 02:54 .

[PsyrenY]

KingZayd wrote...

a) So yes there is an immense Reaper-nonReaper power difference present. I've never cited Mordin's rant.
It doesn't seem to be in any of the clips I'm looking at. Can you give me a link and the time where he says this?
c) What race are the Stargazer and the child? For all we know they're the next cycle. And we've become like the Protheans to these guys.

Personally I think that Stargazer epilogue being the same for those 3 endings is evidence for them merely being what Shepard imagines as he dies. All those epilogues make sense in that context.


d) No proof.

e) Not to the level of the Reapers.

a) Yes, we don't instantly advance to their level. I see no problem with that, so long as it takes down the very large barriers preventing us from doing so - barriers like analog communication and scarcity.

10:55 - "The Cycle will end. The Reapers will cease their harvest, and the civilizations preserved in their forms will be connected to all of us." You may have missed it because taking the renegade option ("You're asking me to change everyone...") won't get this bit, and lots of videos like to say that instead of "and there will be peace?"

c) If that's the case, then Destroy failed too, because it's the same sequence.

d) If the epilogue, Stargazer and even the post-credits statement from Bioware aren't enough proof for you... then nothing will be and this discussion is pointless for both of us. One thing I will point out though - the game is not and never has been 100% from Shepard's perspective - there are sequences Shepard isn't present for, like controlling Joker for instance, or hearing Saren and Benezia talk on board Sovereign in ME1, or being in TIM's control room overhearing his conversation with Miranda in ME2. Did Shepard imagine those as well? Of course not.

e) See (a).

[JasonShepard]

KingZayd wrote...

It doesn't seem to be in any of the clips I'm looking at. Can you give me a link and the time where he says this?

Here. It should be linked to the appropriate time, if not, then it's at about 31:37.