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[Yestare7]

M25105 wrote...

Drones don't know how to be happy, that's why.

EVEN 8 months ago, people had common sense. 
I strongly approve of this thread.

[Ryzaki]

Nice necro.

I always assumed because it was a "WTF is going on?!?" scenario.

[Karlone123]

Their DNA is changed to suit the Synthetics. It wouldn't feel like a win if you sacrificed your being and changed it to suit someone else. I don't see how it can be a good ending when one's DNA is forcibly changed but I guess it's the "everyone survives" bit that suppose to make it a good ending. Strangely to say, the Synthetics look happier than the Organics. I'd would be like an ending to DA, everyone is made tranquil.

Modifié par Karlone123, 17 mai 2013 - 07:51 .

[liggy002]

If people are no longer cheering, they are no longer themselves. This is what is known as mind control. And it is forced upon everyone. YOU, the supposed hero in the story, have acquiesced to this abomination.  Not only have you conceded to it, but you have become the Catalyst for this chain of events.

Others will tell you that it is not mind control, I beg to differ.

Modifié par liggy002, 18 mai 2013 - 01:43 .

[His Name was HYR!!]

liggy002 wrote...

If people are no longer cheering, they are no longer themselves. This is what is known as mind control.

Wait, wouldn't the *normal* response be to wonder WTF just happened to them??

I'd be far more worried if they were cheering immediately.

[conjmk]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 They are taken by surprise by the outcome. It is likely the Reapers are also trying to communicate with them in those scenes.

Then that krogan gives the Reaper on Tuchanka a nod of approval, acknowledging that they'll be working for us now. 

Wow, that's horrible.

[His Name was HYR!!]

 Heh, wow. I forgot I already posted here once. Looks like I'm just repeating myself, per usual. 

[KingZayd]

HiddenInWar wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

HiddenInWar wrote...

 Literally, not the soliders on earth, not the asari, turians, krogan. 

I know that synthesis would be confusing at first but...the Reapers are technically no longer reaping...

If you were just turned into a techno-organic nightmare and could hear the thoughts of the Reapers and newly sentient husks (implied by the Catalyst to be an effect of Synthesis) you might not be in the best state to smile.

Besides that, Synthesis is just terible. The Reapers are alive and watching over us with watchful eyes, husks live, machines and organics are plugged into one another, and it's entirely possible everyone in the entire galaxy is now completely indoctrinated as a result.

hmm

But why would an indoctrinated galaxy feel the need to rebuild civilization? EDI's (and the rest of the normandy cew for that matter) post-synthesized view on life didn't really scream indoc either. 

They're not all indoctrinated.

They're in the new Reaper(s). Welcome to the Matrix.

That's how each of the Reapers is a nation 

Modifié par KingZayd, 18 mai 2013 - 02:01 .

[CitizenThom]

HiddenInWar wrote...

 Literally, not the soliders on earth, not the asari, turians, krogan. 

I know that synthesis would be confusing at first but...the Reapers are technically no longer reaping...

Because they've all been turned into Husks.

[liggy002]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

If people are no longer cheering, they are no longer themselves. This is what is known as mind control.

Wait, wouldn't the *normal* response be to wonder WTF just happened to them??

I'd be far more worried if they were cheering immediately.

The control ending  (the good one) is virtually identical to the Synthesis ending, in the Control ending they were cheering.

[dreamgazer]

Because they've instantly evolved beyond such rudimentary expressions of celebration, of course.

[MegaSovereign]

Because they've been turned into hipsters,

[spirosz]

because I understand your emotions, man, your emotions.

Sooooooooooooooo radical dude. Embrace your love, peace and prosperity bro, take life as how it is.

Oh husk, take me into a world I never though I could venture into.






Much love.

[His Name was HYR!!]

liggy002 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

If people are no longer cheering, they are no longer themselves. This is what is known as mind control.

Wait, wouldn't the *normal* response be to wonder WTF just happened to them??

I'd be far more worried if they were cheering immediately.

The control ending  (the good one) is virtually identical to the Synthesis ending, in the Control ending they were cheering.

Virtually identical? Sync altered them. Control doesn't, in any way.

[Sashimi_taco]

Karlone123 wrote...

Their DNA is changed to suit the Synthetics. It wouldn't feel like a win if you sacrificed your being and changed it to suit someone else. I don't see how it can be a good ending when one's DNA is forcibly changed but I guess it's the "everyone survives" bit that suppose to make it a good ending. Strangely to say, the Synthetics look happier than the Organics. I'd would be like an ending to DA, everyone is made tranquil.

You know how some people think that in the future everyone will be mixed race so there will be no more racism? That is the logic that the person who wrote synthesis used. A vaguely insulting ending to be confronted with for people who are Hapa/mixed race. That many of the devs considered this to be the optimal ending is arrgivating to me on a personal level. 

Additionally, having the population be a mix of two different cultures in order to secure peace is a tactic often used by invading tyrants. Alexander the Great had his soldiers marry and procreate with local women in order to solidify his presence in the countries he took over. Genghis Khan also did this but in a much more violent way, by terminating any current pregnancies in the places he invaded and ensuring that all the fertile women were impregnated by his own men (I am wording this more gently than how it actually was). 

Sure you have forced the population to integrate with each other and reach a sort of "understanding", as the game puts it. But you have also violated them on a level that only a tyrant would do. And only someone who does not know what a tyrant is, would think that the actions of a tyrant would be a suitable option to create peace. It isn't real peace. 

And before someone says that sometimes one person has to think of the better good of everyone for them, or some other excuse, know this; A tyrant will always find a pretext for their tyranny. 

Also I hate that shepard had to "win" the war on the reaper's terms. That was gross and bad. 

[Karlone123]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Karlone123 wrote...

Their DNA is changed to suit the Synthetics. It wouldn't feel like a win if you sacrificed your being and changed it to suit someone else. I don't see how it can be a good ending when one's DNA is forcibly changed but I guess it's the "everyone survives" bit that suppose to make it a good ending. Strangely to say, the Synthetics look happier than the Organics. I'd would be like an ending to DA, everyone is made tranquil.

You know how some people think that in the future everyone will be mixed race so there will be no more racism? That is the logic that the person who wrote synthesis used. A vaguely insulting ending to be confronted with for people who are Hapa/mixed race. That many of the devs considered this to be the optimal ending is arrgivating to me on a personal level. 

Additionally, having the population be a mix of two different cultures in order to secure peace is a tactic often used by invading tyrants. Alexander the Great had his soldiers marry and procreate with local women in order to solidify his presence in the countries he took over. Genghis Khan also did this but in a much more violent way, by terminating any current pregnancies in the places he invaded and ensuring that all the fertile women were impregnated by his own men (I am wording this more gently than how it actually was). 

Sure you have forced the population to integrate with each other and reach a sort of "understanding", as the game puts it. But you have also violated them on a level that only a tyrant would do. And only someone who does not know what a tyrant is, would think that the actions of a tyrant would be a suitable option to create peace. It isn't real peace. 

And before someone says that sometimes one person has to think of the better good of everyone for them, or some other excuse, know this; A tyrant will always find a pretext for their tyranny. 

Also I hate that shepard had to "win" the war on the reaper's terms. That was gross and bad. 

There is a disturbing message behind Synthesis, eliminate genetic diversity in order to bring peace. This is why I never side with machines because organics have to be wiped out or "intergrated" in order to live with Synthetics. Also in post Synthesis, anything purely organic remaining will have been eliminated by the Reapers because they still go about their harvesting and seem to have been forgiven for a billion years of harvesting. What you put forward has made Synthesis even more wrong to choose. Making everyone the same is downright wrong, it feels like it is done in favour of the Reapers and Geth.

[Sashimi_taco]

Karlone123 wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Karlone123 wrote...

Their DNA is changed to suit the Synthetics. It wouldn't feel like a win if you sacrificed your being and changed it to suit someone else. I don't see how it can be a good ending when one's DNA is forcibly changed but I guess it's the "everyone survives" bit that suppose to make it a good ending. Strangely to say, the Synthetics look happier than the Organics. I'd would be like an ending to DA, everyone is made tranquil.

You know how some people think that in the future everyone will be mixed race so there will be no more racism? That is the logic that the person who wrote synthesis used. A vaguely insulting ending to be confronted with for people who are Hapa/mixed race. That many of the devs considered this to be the optimal ending is arrgivating to me on a personal level. 

Additionally, having the population be a mix of two different cultures in order to secure peace is a tactic often used by invading tyrants. Alexander the Great had his soldiers marry and procreate with local women in order to solidify his presence in the countries he took over. Genghis Khan also did this but in a much more violent way, by terminating any current pregnancies in the places he invaded and ensuring that all the fertile women were impregnated by his own men (I am wording this more gently than how it actually was). 

Sure you have forced the population to integrate with each other and reach a sort of "understanding", as the game puts it. But you have also violated them on a level that only a tyrant would do. And only someone who does not know what a tyrant is, would think that the actions of a tyrant would be a suitable option to create peace. It isn't real peace. 

And before someone says that sometimes one person has to think of the better good of everyone for them, or some other excuse, know this; A tyrant will always find a pretext for their tyranny. 

Also I hate that shepard had to "win" the war on the reaper's terms. That was gross and bad. 

There is a disturbing message behind Synthesis, eliminate genetic diversity in order to bring peace. This is why I never side with machines because organics have to be wiped out or "intergrated" in order to live with Synthetics. Also in post Synthesis, anything purely organic remaining will have been eliminated by the Reapers because they still go about their harvesting and seem to have been forgiven for a billion years of harvesting. What you put forward has made Synthesis even more wrong to choose. Making everyone the same is downright wrong, it feels like it is done in favour of the Reapers and Geth.

I am not against the machines, as in the geth. Or even the reapers (i have considered the reapers slaves ever since seeing the endings). The true geth always wanted peace, and only the hacked ones wanted to destroy organics. 

The solution to war is still blurry to us, but it most certainly is not forced homogenization. That is like saying we could get rid of homophobia if we were all bisexual, or we could get rid of sexism if we didn't have genders. There is value in diversity and different views on the same thing. 

Canonically in my destroy ending, the quarians realize their error after the peace between the geth and them and work to rebuild the geth from remaining parts (like in tali's loyalty mission). And edi self rebuilds from her remaining code over the course of a few years, coming out more emotionally diverse depending on how renegade or paragon you were. That is the only option i can give myself seeing as I would rather be dead than a slave or force the galaxy into a choice that solves nothing. 

If the geth do end up starting a war, so what? It is their right to exist as is all other sapient life in the galaxy. You cannot commit genocide in order to prevent a war that may or may not happen. The geth were never hostile, they only ever defended themselves. 

I am still frustrated with the endings, seeing as I expected something more. Well, i wouldn't say more, it could have been extremely simple. But when each of the options you give for winning against the reapers meets the United Nations deffintion of crimes against humanity, you have to wonder exactly how much perspective the writer of the ending has on the actual world. If they really think there is no other options other than "fail" to end a made up cycle of war, then you need to step back. 

There will always be war, you can't just use magic to make it go away. It is insulting to real people who actually have those things happen to them right now in the real world to say any of those options are acceptable. 

And winning by the intellectually stunted AI's terms is really a dissapoint way to end a series. 

[HiddenInWar]

spirosz wrote...

because I understand your emotions, man, your emotions.

Sooooooooooooooo radical dude. Embrace your love, peace and prosperity bro, take life as how it is.

Oh husk, take me into a world I never though I could venture into.






Much love.

beautiful.

[The Twilight God]

HiddenInWar wrote...

 Literally, not the soliders on earth, not the asari, turians, krogan. 

I know that synthesis would be confusing at first but...the Reapers are technically no longer reaping...

They are grinning and working like faithful little ants afterwards, completely "forgiving" these giant monstrosities who have up until that point been murdering and torturing them in a bid to eradicate their civilizations. If that doesn't  open your eyes to the realities of what synthesis 

Every has effectively become reapers. Diffused reapers, but reapers nonetheless. They are all fitted with cybernetics akin to husks. They are now part of an AI collective. Rash emotional outbursts make no sense under these circumstances. What occurs in synthesis is exactly what Saren, Sovereign and Harbinger have been championing al along. There sentiments echoed for the last time by the Kid whose diatribe matches theirs line for line. Synthesis is reaperfication.

[Auld Wulf]

Those who claim that Synthesis removes emotions are completely devoid of understanding of one of the the basest emotional reactions: Surprise.

Okay.

[Indy_S]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Those who claim that Synthesis removes emotions are completely devoid of understanding of one of the the basest emotional reactions: Surprise.

Okay.

You know, surprise looks a lot like any other 'reassessment of a situation'-style response. Without the actual indications in body language your wikilink tells us of, it is impossible to distinguish the two.

[Display Name Owner]

The only vibe I picked up was one of a facade of sterile happiness masking something kind of creepy. Some Brave New World tones. There's peace and conformity and whatever, but it's somehow artificial and... well, like I said, sterile.

EDI's line about how they're heading towards a future "we could not even imagine" instantly reminded me of Sovereign's line. I don't know, watching those slides at the end of Synthesis, it just looks like everyone's been hypnotised or something.

[Yestare7]

isnudo wrote...

watching those slides at the end of Synthesis, it just looks like everyone's been hypnotised or something.

It's called indoctrination.

[shit's fucked cunts]

First.