HYR 2.0 wrote...
liggy002 wrote...
If people are no longer cheering, they are no longer themselves. This is what is known as mind control.
Wait, wouldn't the *normal* response be to wonder WTF just happened to them??
I'd be far more worried if they were cheering immediately.
AlexMBrennan wrote...
Ahem. The normal response would be to keep killing those bastards that slaughtered hundreds of millions of our men, women and children.
HiddenInWar wrote...
Literally, not the soliders on earth, not the asari, turians, krogan.
I know that synthesis would be confusing at first but...the Reapers are technically no longer reaping...
The husk also stops attacking. Smartarse.Robosexual wrote...
With what? Small arms fire?
The Alliance soldiers *locked in melee* with a husk when the synthesis wave hits them cease agression immediately - that is not human behaviour.With what? Small arms fire?
Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 18 mai 2013 - 12:33 .
AlexMBrennan wrote...
The Alliances soldier *locked in melee* with a husk when the synthesis wave hits them cease agression immediately - that is not human behaviour.With what? Small arms fire?
Well obviously I don't know since I have never been in that situation, but based on news stories you see (e.g. interviews with soldiers who had to kill hostiles in melee in iraq and such) I'd imagine that going from a melee life-or-death struggle to calm deliberation as shown in the video would take superhuman discipline and restraint - the adrenaline doesn't just instantly disappear.You don't think such an event could null aggression?
AlexMBrennan wrote...
The Alliance soldiers *locked in melee* with a husk when the synthesis wave hits them cease agression immediately - that is not human behaviour.With what? Small arms fire?
Sashimi_taco wrote...
Karlone123 wrote...
Sashimi_taco wrote...
Karlone123 wrote...
Their DNA is changed to suit the Synthetics. It wouldn't feel like a win if you sacrificed your being and changed it to suit someone else. I don't see how it can be a good ending when one's DNA is forcibly changed but I guess it's the "everyone survives" bit that suppose to make it a good ending. Strangely to say, the Synthetics look happier than the Organics. I'd would be like an ending to DA, everyone is made tranquil.
You know how some people think that in the future everyone will be mixed race so there will be no more racism? That is the logic that the person who wrote synthesis used. A vaguely insulting ending to be confronted with for people who are Hapa/mixed race. That many of the devs considered this to be the optimal ending is arrgivating to me on a personal level.
Additionally, having the population be a mix of two different cultures in order to secure peace is a tactic often used by invading tyrants. Alexander the Great had his soldiers marry and procreate with local women in order to solidify his presence in the countries he took over. Genghis Khan also did this but in a much more violent way, by terminating any current pregnancies in the places he invaded and ensuring that all the fertile women were impregnated by his own men (I am wording this more gently than how it actually was).
Sure you have forced the population to integrate with each other and reach a sort of "understanding", as the game puts it. But you have also violated them on a level that only a tyrant would do. And only someone who does not know what a tyrant is, would think that the actions of a tyrant would be a suitable option to create peace. It isn't real peace.
And before someone says that sometimes one person has to think of the better good of everyone for them, or some other excuse, know this; A tyrant will always find a pretext for their tyranny.
Also I hate that shepard had to "win" the war on the reaper's terms. That was gross and bad.
There is a disturbing message behind Synthesis, eliminate genetic diversity in order to bring peace. This is why I never side with machines because organics have to be wiped out or "intergrated" in order to live with Synthetics. Also in post Synthesis, anything purely organic remaining will have been eliminated by the Reapers because they still go about their harvesting and seem to have been forgiven for a billion years of harvesting. What you put forward has made Synthesis even more wrong to choose. Making everyone the same is downright wrong, it feels like it is done in favour of the Reapers and Geth.
I am not against the machines, as in the geth. Or even the reapers (i have considered the reapers slaves ever since seeing the endings). The true geth always wanted peace, and only the hacked ones wanted to destroy organics.
The solution to war is still blurry to us, but it most certainly is not forced homogenization. That is like saying we could get rid of homophobia if we were all bisexual, or we could get rid of sexism if we didn't have genders. There is value in diversity and different views on the same thing.
Canonically in my destroy ending, the quarians realize their error after the peace between the geth and them and work to rebuild the geth from remaining parts (like in tali's loyalty mission). And edi self rebuilds from her remaining code over the course of a few years, coming out more emotionally diverse depending on how renegade or paragon you were. That is the only option i can give myself seeing as I would rather be dead than a slave or force the galaxy into a choice that solves nothing.
If the geth do end up starting a war, so what? It is their right to exist as is all other sapient life in the galaxy. You cannot commit genocide in order to prevent a war that may or may not happen. The geth were never hostile, they only ever defended themselves.
I am still frustrated with the endings, seeing as I expected something more. Well, i wouldn't say more, it could have been extremely simple. But when each of the options you give for winning against the reapers meets the United Nations deffintion of crimes against humanity, you have to wonder exactly how much perspective the writer of the ending has on the actual world. If they really think there is no other options other than "fail" to end a made up cycle of war, then you need to step back.
There will always be war, you can't just use magic to make it go away. It is insulting to real people who actually have those things happen to them right now in the real world to say any of those options are acceptable.
And winning by the intellectually stunted AI's terms is really a dissapoint way to end a series.
AlexMBrennan wrote...
Well obviously I don't know since I have never been in that situation, but based on news stories you see (e.g. interviews with soldiers who had to kill hostiles in melee in iraq and such) I'd imagine that going from a melee life-or-death struggle to calm deliberation as shown in the video would take superhuman discipline and restraint - the adrenaline doesn't just instantly disappear.You don't think such an event could null aggression?
Karlone123 wrote...
Plus choosing Synthesis is fulfilling Saren's dream of making everyone a combination of steel and flesh, it's pretty clear Saren would have jumped into the green beam. I am against machines, as I do not see them as sentient beings like Organics nor do I see them as tools to be used. Really the Geth should never have been created, It's cruel but that is how I view them. I'll never choose Geth over Quarians. I always found it insulting choosing Synthesis makes everyone's sacrifice against the Reapers in vain. Plus if we were invaded by aliens in real life, and the only way to win would be by making every Human half alien hybrids. That is a defeat and giving yourself up to submission.
N7-RedFox wrote...
There is nothing to cheer about. The words 'We are the Borg' come to mind.
I was wondering when the inevitable Borg comparison came in.N7-RedFox wrote...
HiddenInWar wrote...
Literally, not the soliders on earth, not the asari, turians, krogan.
I know that synthesis would be confusing at first but...the Reapers are technically no longer reaping...
Because now everyone is part Reaper part organic. There is nothing to cheer about. The words 'We are the Borg' come to mind.
Auld Wulf wrote...
Those who claim that Synthesis removes emotions are completely devoid of understanding of one of the the basest emotional reactions: Surprise.
Okay.
Sashimi_taco wrote...
Karlone123 wrote...
Plus choosing Synthesis is fulfilling Saren's dream of making everyone a combination of steel and flesh, it's pretty clear Saren would have jumped into the green beam. I am against machines, as I do not see them as sentient beings like Organics nor do I see them as tools to be used. Really the Geth should never have been created, It's cruel but that is how I view them. I'll never choose Geth over Quarians. I always found it insulting choosing Synthesis makes everyone's sacrifice against the Reapers in vain. Plus if we were invaded by aliens in real life, and the only way to win would be by making every Human half alien hybrids. That is a defeat and giving yourself up to submission.
I hate that you are a RoboRacist and you agree with me.
KaiserShep wrote...
I wonder how many people would commit suicide if they found themselves synthesized all of a sudden I imagine many would not accept that kind of change to their bodies.
Modifié par Enhanced, 21 mai 2013 - 05:57 .
Enhanced wrote...
KaiserShep wrote...
I wonder how many people would commit suicide if they found themselves synthesized all of a sudden I imagine many would not accept that kind of change to their bodies.
None. They gain a new level of intelligence. They would be too perfect to do that. "Organics will be perfected by intergrating fully with synthetic technology."
Modifié par KaiserShep, 21 mai 2013 - 06:06 .
This exactly. Synthesis is confusing. People don't know what happens. If they were cheering, something would be wrong.HYR 2.0 wrote...
liggy002 wrote...
If people are no longer cheering, they are no longer themselves. This is what is known as mind control.
Wait, wouldn't the *normal* response be to wonder WTF just happened to them??
I'd be far more worried if they were cheering immediately.
Yeah. As if having a few upgrades - which feel about as alien as Shepard's upgrades did to them, namely not at all - would make people suicidal. I can understand skepticism and a "wait and see" mentality, as evidenced by the not-cheering, but you'd have to be pretty f*cked up to start with to kill yourself because of that.KaiserShep wrote...
I wonder how many people would commit suicide if they found themselves synthesized all of a sudden I imagine many would not accept that kind of change to their bodies.
AlexMBrennan wrote...
Well obviously I don't know since I have never been in that situation, but based on news stories you see (e.g. interviews with soldiers who had to kill hostiles in melee in iraq and such) I'd imagine that going from a melee life-or-death struggle to calm deliberation as shown in the video would take superhuman discipline and restraint - the adrenaline doesn't just instantly disappear.You don't think such an event could null aggression?
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