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[Crowlover]

I've read on the forums that the option to be an atheist will remain off the table for Dragon Age 3, the reasoning behind which I totally understand.

However even without this character trait it is my hope that option to ****** off Andrastian priests will become as prominent in Dragon Age 3 as it was in Dragon Age Origins. (If not more so)

One of my most treasured memories about the Dragon Age series was wandering around Ostagar for the first time and bumping into an Andrastian priests who ever so kindly offered my character the Maker's blessing. Having no knowledge of the game’s religions at the time I had my character respond the same way I do when I encounter someone on the street wearing a sandwich board and passing out flyers: to politely decline.

I don't remember exactly what the priest said in response, but it something to the effect of: "Fine you *$@&ing heretic! Then GTFO! I HOPE YOU DIE OUT THERE!" (I kid, but seriously she was really angry). After I stopped laughing I became hooked, from that point forward every character I played went out of their way to bring Andraste’s faithful to a boil whenever possible, whether by refusing/mocking their beliefs or performing random acts of cruelty, callousness, or greed in their presence; I just found the whole thing hysterical.

In comparison, I can’t help but feel that Dragon Age 2 was somewhat lacking, and not just because there weren’t that many priest with speaking roles in the game. Petrice is too slippery to ever get worked up to a comical level, for the most part Elthina plays it cool (even when angered), and Sebastian really doesn’t get angry at all (excluding the ending).

It is my hope the Dragon Age 3 reestablishes the proud tradition of provoking priests into acting puffed up, outraged, and otherwise ‘unpriestly’.

Ideally: the Divine pulls a rival Aveline.

Modifié par Crowlover, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:24 .

[holdenagincourt]

Yes...and hopefully entangling one's Templar or ex-Templar companion in the brouhaha as often as possible.

[Plaintiff]

I want to take it one step further. Give us the option to plant magical nukes in every chantry we encounter.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

Since you are Inquisitor, its highly unlikely that you will be anti-andrastian. At worst you might be as a corrupted and arrogant, but i doubt you could somehow start insulting Andraste or Maker, or even doubt their existence in such a position.

[Crowlover]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Since you are Inquisitor...

Unless I am missing something I would say we don't have nearly enough information about the game to make that kind of assumption. (Although I think you are right about the anti-andraste part)

[thats1evildude]

There's a good chance the Inquisition will be established by Empress Celene.

[Plaintiff]

Crowlover wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Since you are Inquisitor...

Unless I am missing something I would say we don't have nearly enough information about the game to make that kind of assumption. (Although I think you are right about the anti-andraste part)

Well, just because the organization happens to share a name with an organization formed in the past doesn't mean that the two are at all similar. "Inquisition" is just a word.

And there's no reason the character couldn't start out as Andrastian and have their views changed later.

And being Andrastian doesn't mean you have to support the Chantry or be nice to Chantry priests. Anders was/is a devout Andrastian. 

Modifié par Plaintiff, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:54 .

[Atalanta]

I don't know about the Inquisitor being a loyal Andrastian, but I'm enjoying the speculation over here: http://www.examiner....-age-3-be-about

[Crowlover]

Plaintiff wrote...

Crowlover wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Since you are Inquisitor...

Unless I am missing something I would say we don't have nearly enough information about the game to make that kind of assumption. (Although I think you are right about the anti-andraste part)

Well, just because the organization happens to share a name with an organization formed in the past doesn't mean that the two are at all similar. "Inquisition" is just a word.

And there's no reason the character couldn't start out as Andrastian and have their views changed later.

And being Andrastian doesn't mean you have to support the Chantry or be nice to Chantry priests. Anders was/is a devout Andrastian. 

Right, and even if you were in the chantry you could still upset your peers with extreme or unorthodox views.

[KiwiQuiche]

Lol yeah I remembering threatening to beat up that priest in Lotherning XD Lmao I cracked up when I saw that option, moreso when Morrigan approved and Alistair was all "omg wut? D: "

Hilarious moments, I would like some more in DA3

[Direwolf0294]

I still don't understand why atheist can't be an option in DA3. There's really no proof that the Maker exists.

[KiwiQuiche]

Direwolf0294 wrote...

I still don't understand why atheist can't be an option in DA3. There's really no proof that the Maker exists.

Because apparently religious faith is the only motivation the protagonist for DA3 will have.

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 20 septembre 2012 - 08:55 .

[Icinix]

Direwolf0294 wrote...

I still don't understand why atheist can't be an option in DA3. There's really no proof that the Maker exists.

Decapitated Leliana begs to differ.

[Crowlover]

Direwolf0294 wrote...

I still don't understand why atheist can't be an option in DA3. There's really no proof that the Maker exists.

Its the same reason your character probably won't be a cannibal, or a ballarina, or  the ring-master of a purebred mabari circus.

Its a characteristic for the upcoming protagonist that writes are just not prepared to cover. It might interfeer with the plot, or it might just be a level of complexity that don't have time to address.

[Wynne]

Crowlover wrote...

It is my hope the Dragon Age 3 reestablishes the proud tradition of provoking priests into acting puffed up, outraged, and otherwise ‘unpriestly’.

Oh, I would enjoy playing a liberal Inquisitor who uses mockery to poke holes in the smug, egotistical types--but I don't want that to be limited to priests. I've known atheists who were just as smug and egotistical as religious fanatics, if not more so, until you point out the fact that science has not disproven the existence of God and that anything not disproven makes no scientific sense to dismiss out of hand. (Agnosticism is probably the most purely scientific system of belief.) The scientific method operates by facts, not assumptions.

I just like making people think by getting under their skin and pointing out the flaws in their logic; I don't care what they believe or disbelieve, I want to be able to play a thought-provoking, insightful character. It always made me happy in the first two Fallout games to mock others and dissect their flaws if my relevant stats were high enough. I want my Inquisitor to be a clever type, so I'd like to be able to do that in DA3.

Modifié par Wynne, 20 septembre 2012 - 09:34 .

[snackrat]

Direwolf0294 wrote...

I still don't understand why atheist can't be an option in DA3. There's really no proof that the Maker exists.

I think Chris? Or David? covered this at some point in the DAII forums: it's like medieval England. The era of the Church and all that. One could express... doubt, or believe he wasn't personally involved, but in those days one didn't just 'not believe in God". It would be *le gasp* BLASPHEMYYYY! 

So yes, Chris/David said that is what they are going for here. The Maker is 'accepted' as an entity. One can express doubt in his involvment, or opt not to work for him and his interests, but believing he doesn't exists is not really an option because it goes so far against culture. Even in reality, if I remember right Atheism didn't exists as a true movement until an origin of life WITHOUT divine involvment was provided: evolution and Darwinism. Before that it was more of a "God may exist but I ain't bowing down to no god, nyeh, see". <--(which was probably also SUPERBAD and you had no friends and no one ever invited you to the nice parties)

So basically in Thedas you can be agnostic, but not atheistic. Now if I could just remember where that post was.... 

Modifié par Karsciyin, 20 septembre 2012 - 10:06 .

[Crowlover]

Wynne wrote...

[Oh, I would enjoy playing a liberal Inquisitor who uses mockery to poke holes in the smug, egotistical types--but I don't want that to be limited to priests. I've known atheists who were just as smug and egotistical as religious fanatics, if not more so, until you point out the fact that science has not disproven the existence of God and that anything not disproven makes no scientific sense to dismiss out of hand. (Agnosticism is probably the most purely scientific system of belief.) The scientific method operates by facts, not assumptions.

The thing is there aren't that many aethists (Smug or otherwise) in Thedas (according to David Gaider there are none).

Then again, there are the the Qunari. That could be interesting, and if you aren't talking to soliders it might not even result in bloodshed everytime.

[Lotion Soronarr]

I don't mind such options...As long the consequences are realistic.

Like burning you at the stake if you provoke them too much.

Oh, and I'd like the option to torment, and make fun of everyone who is non-andrastian in the game.

[Crowlover]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Like burning you at the stake if you provoke them too much.

I thought that was how andrastians honored people?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Indeed.
And I want to honor you.

[Biotic_Warlock]

Priests were grumpy in DA2... maybe now they will be violent ASBOs.

[snackrat]

Crowlover wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Like burning you at the stake if you provoke them too much.

I thought that was how andrastians honored people?

Uhh... they burn bodies, ie: cremation. (Just as the dwarves and the Dalish practice differing forms of burial). Burning at the stake is referring to that ol' chestnut popular after witch hunts.
Burning them.
Alive.
On a stake.
Ahhhh. 

"You saved us! You saved us! Our most honoured hero!"
"....s***."
:innocent: