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[henesua]

I would like a critique on the reshuffling I have done to wizard spell lists and spell schools in Arnheim. The prupose of this was to maintain ballance while adhering more strictly to the essence of each spell school and better express the setting. One thing you will notice is that I have added a few new spells, and changed the name of some spells.

I have tried to maintain a healthy balance of power between the schools as well. This is what I primarily need feedback for. I am also curious as to whether specialization would be considered clearly weaker than being a generalist, a possibility, or a clear advantage over being a generalist.

Some changes to note:

• all the hand spells require a glove as a material component. Glove is destroyed. Grapple of a hand is also opposed by the Escape Artist skill in tandem with small size rather than just large size and great strength. This should give some dex based characters a defense against these spells.
• Sword spells are cast on a sword. Black blade destroys the sword. (sword is a henchman rather than a summon)
• Illusion spells draw upon a real place in game - Shadow Plane - which exists in parallel with most "prime material" areas of game. This will open up new spells for the illusionist such as shadow walk, and overlooked additions like summon shadow etc... Shadows and shades incidentally are not undead in Arnheim, but fear light.
• Necromancy raise dead spells etc... have not been altered yet, but I intend to change the way they work, and enabling Necromancers to cultivate armies of undead rather than just one summon at a time. Raising an undead however will likely require an appropriate corpse or the like as material component.
• I'd like to give Conjurer specialists the ability to chose from a wider list of summons, but have not worked this out yet.
• I'd also like to restrict the Time Stop spell to Divination specialists, but am unsure if this is going to far.

Spell Schools and Opposition
Abjuration <---> Evocation
Conjuration <---> Enchantment
Divination <---> Illusion
Necromancy ----> Evocation
Transmutation ---> Abjuration

Wizard Spells Per School

ABJURATION
------0-------
Resistance

------1-------
Endure Elements
Protection from Alignment

------2-------
Lesser Dispel
Resist Elements

------3-------
Clarity
Dispel Magic
Protection from Elements
Circle of Protection from Alignment

------4-------
Lesser Spell Breach
Minor Globe of Invulnerability
Remove Curse

------5-------
Dismissal
Lesser Mind Blank
Lesser Spell Mantle
Energy Buffer

------6-------
Globe of Invulnerability
Greater Dispelling
Greater Spell Breach

------7-------
Spell Mantle
Banishment

------8-------
Mind Blank
Etherealness

------9-------
Greater Spell Mantle
Disjunction


CONJURATION
------0-------
Acid Splash

------1-------
Grease
Summon Creature I

------2-------
Acid Arrow
Cloud of Bewilderment
Summon Creature II
Web

------3-------
Stinking Cloud
Summon Creature III
Acid Breath

------4-------
Summon Creature IV
Tentacle Swarm

------5-------
Cloudkill
Lesser Planar Binding
Summon Creature V
Acid Armor
Mind Fog 

------6-------
Acid Fog
Planar Binding
Summon Creature VI

------7-------
Summon Creature VII

------8-------
Greater Planar Binding
Summon Creature VIII

------9-------
Gate
Summon Creature IX

DIVINATION
-------0-------
-------1-------
Identify
True Strike

-------2-------
See Invisibility
Owl's Wisdom
Fox's Cunning
Ultravision

-------3-------
Clairaudience
Find Traps

-------4-------
Remove Blindness/Deafness
Scry

-------5-------
-------6-------
True Seeing
Legend Lore

-------7-------
Power Word, Stun

-------8-------
Premonition

-------9-------
Power Word, Kill
Time Stop


ENCHANTMENT
-------0-------
Daze

-------1-------
Charm Person
Sleep
Magic Weapon
Mage Armor

-------2-------
Continual Light
Eagle's Splendor
Flame Weapon
Hideous Laughter
Animate Dagger

-------3-------
Hold Person
Greater Magic Weapon
Keen Edge
Haste
Slow

-------4-------
Charm Monster
Confusion
Curse

-------5-------
Dominate Person
Feeblemind
Hold Monster

-------6-------
Mass Haste

-------7-------
Protection from Spells
Animate Weapon

-------8-------
Mass Charm
Blackstaff

-------9-------
Dominate Monster
Black Blade of Disaster


EVOCATION
-------0-------
Electric Jolt
Ray of Frost

-------1-------
Burning Hands
Magic Missile
Ice Dagger
Shield
Sonic Boom

-------2-------
Electric Loop
Blast of the Iron Horn

-------3-------
Flame Arrow
Fireball
Lightning Bolt
Scintillating Sphere

-------4-------
Elemental Shield
Wall of Fire
Ice Storm
Lesser Missile Storm

-------5-------
Cone of Cold
Firebrand
Ball Lightning

-------6-------
Chain Lightning
Greater Missile Storm

-------7-------
Delayed Blast Fireball
Prismatic Spray
Great Thunderclap

-------8-------
Incendiary Cloud
Sunburst

-------9-------
Meteor Swarm


ILLUSION
-------0-------
Dancing Lights
Light
Flare

-------1-------
Color Spray

-------2-------
Blindness/Deafness
Invisibility
Ghostly Visage
Darkness

-------3-------
Invisibility Sphere
Displacement

-------4-------
Improved Invisibility
Phantasmal Killer
Shadow Conjuration

-------5-------
Greater Shadow Conjuration

-------6-------
Ethereal Visage
Shades

-------7-------
Shadow Shield

-------8-------
Mass Blindness/Deafness

-------9-------
Weird


NECROMANCY
-------0-------
Bind Familiar

-------1-------
Ray of Enfeeblement
Scare
Negative Energy Ray

-------2-------
Endurance
Ghoul Touch
Death Armor
Stone Bones

-------3-------
Vampiric Touch
Negative Energy Burst

-------4-------
Contagion
Enervation
Fear

-------5-------
Animate Dead

-------6-------
Circle of Death
Undeath to Death
Channel Warrior Spirit  (aka tenser's transformation)

-------7-------
Control Undead
Finger of Death

-------8-------
Create Undead
Horrid Wilting

-------9-------
Energy Drain
Wail of the Banshee


TRANSMUTATION
-------0-------
-------1-------
Expeditious Retreat
Iron Guts

-------2-------
Combust
Knock
Ursine Strength
Feline Grace

-------3-------
Gust of Wind
Rogue's Cunning

-------4-------
Polymorph Self
Dimensional Jump
Baleful Polymorph
Stoneskin

-------5-------
Dimensional Portal
Interposing Hand

-------6-------
Greater Stoneskin
Flesh to Stone
Stone to Flesh
Forceful Hand

-------7-------
Teleport
Grasping Hand

-------8-------
Clenched Fist

-------9-------
Shapechange
Crushing Hand

Modifié par henesua, 28 septembre 2012 - 03:22 .

[henesua]

OK... had an idea about how my alternate for Mordenkainen's sword would work.

Name: Animate Weapon
Target: Weapon
Result: Targeted weapon fights as a henchman of the spell caster for same duration as Mord's sword

I'll create an invisible creature (null human) with construct properties, that can equip any weapon, has 10 str, an AB of 10. Damage depends on weapon enchanted. (might be cool to give the null human the arcane alt combat phenotype as well) This creature will be added to the caster's party as a henchman, so it does not take a "summons" slot. An enchanter could theoretically animate a number of weapons to fight for them. Weapon is considered to be flying for the sake of determining vulnerability to grease, entangle, caltrops, etc... And can cross chasms or open water (scripted in AI). Otherwise AI of weapon should be very limited - defend caster, or do not attack at all.

Animated weapons can be dispelled. A successful dispel would cause the weapon to fall to the ground. Dismissal would not work.

Too powerful?

[henesua]

By way of comparison I am posting some of the other class spell lists:

----------------------------------------------------------------------- 
BARD
of note for bards: cure wound spells and charm spells do not have somatic components and so can be cast while armor is worn without any chance of spell failure

-------Bard 0-------
Cure Minor Wounds
Daze
Light
Resistance
Flare
Dancing Lights

-------Bard 1-------
Charm Person
Cure Light Wounds
Grease
Identify
Lesser Dispel
Mage Armor
Scare
Sleep
Summon Creature I
Protection from Alignment
Blast of the Iron Horn
Amplify
Expeditious Retreat
Sonic Boom
Iron Guts
Magic Weapon

-------Bard 2-------
Blindness and Deafness
Ursine Strength
Feline Grace
Clairaudience
Clarity
Cure Moderate Wounds
Darkness
Hold Person
Invisibility
Ghostly Visage
See Invisibility
Silence
Sound Burst
Summon Creature II
Eagle's Splendor
Owl's Wisdom
Fox's Cunning
Ultravision
Hideous Laughter
Cloud of Bewilderment

-------Bard 3-------
Curse
Charm Monster
Confusion
Cure Serious Wounds
Dispel Magic
Fear
Gust of Wind
Haste
Invisibility Sphere
Remove Curse
Remove Disease
Slow
Summon Creature III
Circle of Protection from Alignment
Find Traps
Rogue's Cunning
Wounding Whispers
Displacement
Keen Edge
Greater Magic Weapon

-------Bard 4-------
Cure Critical Wounds
Dismissal
Dominate Person
Hold Monster
Improved Invisibility
Neutralize Poison
Summon Creature IV
War Cry
Legend Lore
Dimensional Jump
Scry

-------Bard 5-------
Feeblemind
Greater Dispelling
Healing Circle
Mind Fog
Ethereal Visage
Summon Creature V

-------Bard 6-------
Mass Haste
Summon Creature VI
Ice Storm
Energy Buffer
Dirge

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CLERIC
of note for the clerics I have expanded the domain lists and powers. Travel for example gets various teleport spells. Animal has some special polymorph spells and speak with animals. Heal and Death are the only two which can raise dead or resurrect. Death also gets the create undead spells (which you will notice are no longer on the gneral cleric list), but no other special abilities. If this sounds interesting to anyone I'll open up my cleric lists and domains in another thread for discussion.

-------Cleric 0-------
Cure Minor Wounds
Light
Resistance
Virtue
Inflict Minor Wounds

-------Cleric 1-------
Bless
Cure Light Wounds
Doom
Endure Elements
Remove Fear
Sanctuary
Scare
Summon Creature I
Protection from Alignment
Divine Favor
Entropic Shield
Inflict Light Wounds
Bane
Shield of Faith
Magic Weapon

-------Cleric 2-------
Aid
Cure Moderate Wounds
Darkness
Endurance
Hold Person
Lesser Dispel
Lesser Restoration
Remove Paralysis
Resist Elements
Silence
Sound Burst
Summon Creature II
Eagle's Splendor
Owl's Wisdom
Fox's Cunning
Ultravision
Negative Energy Ray
Find Traps
Inflict Moderate Wounds
Stone Bones

-------Cleric 3-------
Curse
Blindness and Deafness
Clarity
Contagion
Cure Serious Wounds
Dispel Magic
Invisibility Purge
Negative Energy Protection
Prayer
Protection from Elements
Remove Blindness/Deafness
Remove Curse
Remove Disease
Searing Light
Summon Creature III
Circle of Protection from Alignment
Continual Light
Inflict Serious Wounds
Magic Vestment
Darkfire
Glyph of Warding

-------Cleric 4-------
Cure Critical Wounds
Death Ward
Dismissal
Divine Power
Freedom of Movement
Hammer of the Gods
Neutralize Poison
Poison
Restoration
Summon Creature IV
Inflict Critical Wounds
Greater Magic Weapon

-------Cleric 5-------
Circle of Doom
Flame Strike
Healing Circle
Slay Living
Spell Resistance
Summon Creature V
True Seeing
Battletide
Monstrous Regeneration
Atonement
Scry

-------Cleric 6-------
Blade Barrier
Control Undead
Greater Dispelling
Harm
Heal
Summon Creature VI
Banishment
Etherealness
Planar Ally
Undeath to Death

-------Cleric 7-------
Greater Restoration
Summon Creature VII
Word of Faith
Destruction
Regenerate

-------Cleric 8-------
Fire Storm
Mass Heal
Summon Creature VIII
Sunbeam
Aura versus Alignment

-------Cleric 9-------
Energy Drain
Gate
Implosion
Storm of Vengeance
Summon Creature IX
Earthquake
Undeath's Eternal Foe

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DRUID
of note here. I thik druids are a little too powerful and am looking to reduce their spell choices.

-------Druid 0-------
Cure Minor Wounds
Light
Resistance
Virtue
Faerie Fire

-------Druid 1-------
Cure Light Wounds
Endure Elements
Entangle
Grease
Sleep
Summon Creature I
Ultravision
Camouflage
Magic Fang
Pass Without Trace

-------Druid 2-------
Barkskin
Ursine Strength
Feline Grace
Charm Person or Animal
Cure Moderate Wounds
Flame Lash
Hold Animal
Lesser Dispel
Lesser Restoration
Resist Elements
Summon Creature II
Eagle's Splendor
Owl's Wisdom
Fox's Cunning
One With The Land
Blood Frenzy
Steady Stride
Speak With Animals

-------Druid 3-------
Call Lightning
Contagion
Cure Serious Wounds
Dominate Animal
Neutralize Poison
Poison
Protection from Elements
Remove Disease
Summon Creature III
Quillfire
Greater Magic Fang
Spike Growth
Infestation of Maggots
Healing Sting

-------Druid 4-------
Cure Critical Wounds
Dispel Magic
Flame Strike
Freedom of Movement
Hold Monster
Remove Curse
Stoneskin
Summon Creature IV
Mass Camouflage
Baleful Polymorph
Scry

-------Druid 5-------
Death Ward
Slay Living
Spell Resistance
Summon Creature V
Wall of Fire
Awaken
Ice Storm
Owl's Insight
Inferno
Monstrous Regeneration
Vine Mine
Atonement

-------Druid 6-------
Greater Dispelling
Greater Stoneskin
Healing Circle
Summon Creature VI
Energy Buffer
Regenerate
Drown
Crumble
Stonehold

-------Druid 7-------
Fire Storm
Harm
Heal
Protection from Spells
Summon Creature VII
True Seeing
Creeping Doom
Aura of Vitality

-------Druid 8-------
Finger of Death
Nature's Balance
Premonition
Summon Creature VIII
Sunbeam
Bombardment
Earthquake
Sunburst

-------Druid 9-------
Elemental Swarm
Mass Heal
Shapechange
Storm of Vengeance
Summon Creature IX

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PALADIN
I haven't touched this yet. If anyone is convinced that paladin spells should be tweaked one way or another, please let me know. I haven't put much thought into these guys.

-------Paladin 1-------
Bless
Cure Light Wounds
Endure Elements
Resistance
Virtue
Protection from Alignment
Divine Favor
Deafening Clang
Bless Weapon
Magic Weapon
 
-------Paladin 2-------
Aid
Ursine Strength
Cure Moderate Wounds
Remove Paralysis
Resist Elements
Eagle's Splendor
Owl's Wisdom
Fox's Cunning
Aura of Glory
 
-------Paladin 3-------
Cure Serious Wounds
Dispel Magic
Prayer
Remove Blindness/Deafness
Circle of Protection from Alignment
Greater Magic Weapon
 
-------Paladin 4-------
Cure Critical Wounds
Death Ward
Freedom of Movement
Neutralize Poison
Holy Sword


------------------------------------------------
RANGER

-------1-------
Cure Light Wounds
Entangle
Grease
Resist Elements
Summon Creature I
Ultravision
One With The Land
Camouflage
Magic Fang
Pass Without Trace
Steady Stride
Speak With Animals

-------2-------
Barkskin
Feline Grace
Cure Moderate Wounds
Hold Animal
Protection from Elements
Sleep
Summon Creature II
Eagle's Splendor
Owl's Wisdom
Fox's Cunning
Rogue's Cunning

-------3-------
Aid
Cure Serious Wounds
Invisibility Purge
Neutralize Poison
Remove Disease
Summon Creature III
Greater Magic Fang
Blade Thirst

-------4-------
Cure Critical Wounds
Freedom of Movement
Polymorph Self
Summon Creature IV
Awaken
Mass Camouflage

Modifié par henesua, 25 septembre 2012 - 03:59 .

[henesua]

 I'm looking at the Polymorph Self Spell and making changes to the five creatures that you can change into. I'd like some feedback on what I am doing.

I'm developing the following polymorphs:

• Wyvern (large) can fly (enables crossing of water and chasms), and has stinger tail, no hands (can't open doors). 18 strength, 8 NAC
• Ogre (large) uses a large club (merges with equipped weapon), some bonus rep with goblin factions, can speak, has hands (open doors etc...), 22 strength, 8 NAC
• Giant Spider (medium) can spider climb (enables crossing of chasms indoors and success at any climb), poison bite, immune to webs, no hands, 14 str, 18 dex, 5 NAC
• Giant Crab (medium) aquatic (unimpeded underwater), has "hands", 2d4 claw, 18 str, 16 dex, 10 NAC
• Ochre Jelly (medium) softbody (unimpeded underwater, can pass under doors, immune to grapple), acid attack, 10 str, 18 dex, 4 NAC

Modifié par henesua, 27 septembre 2012 - 02:15 .

[Shadooow]

Personally trying to follow specifit ruleset, mostly 3.5 which I consider to be the best of the best. If something cannot be done in NWN, or I feel it doesnt suit my environment, only then I make up my own version.

Got few notes for you:
- why do you consider druid to be so powerful? His spell selection is quite weak actually, he got only one spell that doesnt allow reflexes and thats ice storm, at higher levels there isnt many good offensive spells, maybe except storm of vengeance - physical dmg spells, earthquake and bobardment are totally useless as they have low dmg and yet they are also resisted by any soak
- why didnt you considered my change from community patch beta, to move sunbeam at lvl 7 ?

Some suggestions from 3.5:
- i think you should implement spell list from this ruleset, from quick look I saw that druid has charisma boost, why? according to 3.5 he should have str, con, dex, wis (but not int, cha) - I think that 3.5 makes more sense

Ad. polymorph - like your idea with hands and unable to pick locks, but how do you achieve that? I think that it will be always technically possible, and the way that gives huge penalty doesnt look to me great
also, how do you achieve the flying across chasm?

[henesua]

ShaDoOoW wrote...

- why do you consider druid to be so powerful? His spell selection is quite weak actually, he got only one spell that doesnt allow reflexes and thats ice storm, at higher levels there isnt many good offensive spells, maybe except storm of vengeance - physical dmg spells, earthquake and bobardment are totally useless as they have low dmg and yet they are also resisted by any soak

I had not considered the issue of reflex saves and druid spells, but in general the druid spell list has more depth than a cleric's and druids have many other benefits beyond spells.

- why didnt you considered my change from community patch beta, to move sunbeam at lvl 7 ?

I'll look at it.

Some suggestions from 3.5:
- i think you should implement spell list from this ruleset, from quick look I saw that druid has charisma boost, why? according to 3.5 he should have str, con, dex, wis (but not int, cha) - I think that 3.5 makes more sense

Whats the problem with that?

Ad. polymorph - like your idea with hands and unable to pick locks, but how do you achieve that? I think that it will be always technically possible, and the way that gives huge penalty doesnt look to me great

Hands/not hands is cachieved by modifying the appearance 2da with a new column called HAS_HANDS. Then in the door scripts I catch an event when a door/placeable that requires hands to open is opened by someone without hands. In that case I immediately close the door/placeable. It seems like its not powerful, but you'd be surprised how annoying it is to be unable to open a door when wildshaped or a familiar.

also, how do you achieve the flying across chasm?

This is done with a flight spell and feat. The feat is an action feat that enables the player to select a target location. Then it uses the Appear/Disappear effect. The spider climb feat is similar. Both feats/spells have limitations based on a few factors. Spider climb only works indoors. Fly does not work indoors if the creature exceeds the maximum creature size for flight for the area.

[henesua]

ShaDoOoW since I have your attention I was curious what you thought about my changes to the spell school lists and to the opposition schools of each spell school. Do you think this will make any difference to the game? Or is it irrelevant beyond the thematic/aesthetic changes it creates for the player?

[Shadooow]

henesua wrote...

ShaDoOoW wrote...

- why do
you consider druid to be so powerful? His spell selection is quite weak
actually, he got only one spell that doesnt allow reflexes and thats ice
storm, at higher levels there isnt many good offensive spells, maybe
except storm of vengeance - physical dmg spells, earthquake and
bobardment are totally useless as they have low dmg and yet they are
also resisted by any soak

I had not considered the issue
of reflex saves and druid spells, but in general the druid spell list
has more depth than a cleric's and druids have many other benefits
beyond spells.

Hm, I dont agree. I played druid many times both low lvl and high lvl multiplayer modules and he sucks. Druid is definitely better caster than cleric by default, however what else he got? Polymorphs are weak till dragon, animals are nice, but no DR, no special abilities, merges only armor, low dmg with +0 attack and mainly very poor AC. Elemental shapes have better stats, but at that moment, no AB, low dmg, no AC (unless monk-multiclassed already) again make them useful only when you need immunity to critical hit/mind effects. Dragon can be taken first around lvl 33 i think, and thats a different level - but yes dragon is powerfull. (im not taking shifter into consideration as that has some benefits but for not very good choice for pure druid)

on the other hand, cleric - has spells to improve melee combat in which he is very good at, also can take two domains which grants him access to very powerful spells that druid cannot get - haste (if environment doesnt have on items) and improved invisibility (most powerful spell in high lvl environment), cleric can also take plant domain and then gets access to the best druid spell creeping doom, add magic domain and you got even better caster than druid is. +cleric has +1slot/lvl over druid, can take divine might/shield, can turn undead, gets healing spells earlier so can have more of them (silent mh), has GR and negative immunity (100% immu to negative dmg from any source + ability/level immunity) and clarity/alignment mind immunity - lack of these boosts is very annoying for druid

henesua wrote...

Shadooow wrote...
Some suggestions from 3.5:
-
i think you should implement spell list from this ruleset, from quick
look I saw that druid has charisma boost, why? according to 3.5 he
should have str, con, dex, wis (but not int, cha) - I think that 3.5
makes more sense

Whats the problem with that?

Well the 3.5 grants classess ability boosts based on abilities they are "proficient with". Whats the charisma for to druid? Nothing he got uses it. I feel its better this way and it matches rules - just my opinion.

henesua wrote...

ShaDoOoW since I have your attention I was curious what you thought about my changes to the spell school lists and to the opposition schools of each spell school. Do you think this will make any difference to the game? Or is it irrelevant beyond the thematic/aesthetic changes it creates for the player?

I havent looked, I dont remember each spell school so I am not able to determine how did you changed it from your spell list. Basically, the reason why spell schools doesnt match DnD rules entirely is because there are more spells in rules, but they couldnt be transferred into nwn from various reasons. Also, a caster wizard doesnt really specializes, as the advantage is too small for giving up more choices in spell selection. In default setting, specialization has sense only for multiclassed wizards which prefers combat and doesnt have intelligence higher than 20.

Modifié par ShaDoOoW, 27 septembre 2012 - 08:01 .

[henesua]

DRUIDS:
A druid's power is somewhat environment dependent. And I am providing what a druid needs to make good use of their abilities. Example: the Animal Empathy ability (which is charisma based by the way) is very powerful on the right server for two reasons (1) you need decent animals/beasts to dominate and (2) you need natural areas filled with hostile animals that will go neutral to someone that has animal empathy. Furthermore their ability to ignore terrain affects is nice in Arnheim since I have scripted terrain affects. Their is more to them, but I won't go on and on about it. I think druids are powerful and I'm not the only one. Forgot to mention four skill points per level which is also handy.

I will look at them again, and make sure that I am not limiting them too much. I have scripted spell loss if metal armor, shield or helmet is worn, and restoration requires atonement. But other than that, I think they have much going for them.

CLERIC Domains:
I have implemented a religion system in my mod which brings consequences with domain choices and alignment restrictions. Almost all combinations are available, BUT not in the major religions. And the major religions are those with world influence. Having world influence matters. Although I have not yet implemented a "retainer" system like Border Kingdoms has I have long intended to. And there is more to influence than just having henchman. Influence matters in DM moderated play.

SPECIALIZATION:
I take your point that specialization is too much of a sacrifice for the gain of only one spell per level. I agree. I'd like to be able to provide another perk from specialization, but haven't come up with one yet. I'm open to suggestions. Also if there is a script that enables a server to identify one's specialty without using NWNx... please let me know. I have not looked into writing this yet.

[Shadooow]

animal empathy, right that is powerful, yet its not only druid power, anyone can have it via multiclass

if there is most content pre-max lvl then its less likely this to be used from multiclass indeed (EDIT: but also have to take into consideration XP drop, mostly if there is a XP loss from lured animals, player are avoiding this unless they are not able to survive without), if majority of content is post-max lvl then it doesnt matter, cleric can have it too via ranger which is great benefit for caster-type of cleric, also i dont know your loot, im used to find items such as ring of animal friendship +12 (x2), gloves of (greater +6/epic +30) animal empathy which will do the trick even without too much rank in there and there is one spell druid has for this also think +8bonus

the main problem of animal emnpathy (from builders perspective) is that the DC is quite low, 15+HD and player can take 20 + skill + mod charisma as the HD usually matches players level (could be greater but then we, builders would have to use various scripts to balance the creature down as more HD can add extra attacks, saves, hps etc.)

also, mostly the player is using this outside of combat thus taking full 20, you know if you are currently not in combat and some hostile animal is reaching you, and you use animal empathy the roll is done earlier than the animal comes close enough to attack so its considered as out of combat

special bonuses for specialization: the bonus to caster level or DC can be easily done without nwnx, either by core function hooking or via my community patch new spell engine and CL/DC override feature, also even more slots would be easy to do via creature skin (but would be pain as these slots would be lost when polymorphed)

i made a function to determine whether is wizard necromancer without nwnx, yet this function isnt global, in order to make this function to determine correct specialization, no school must have shared opposite school, aka the function is able to determine wheter you can or cannot use the scroll of certain spell school - but its lost somewhere in these forums i guess

Modifié par ShaDoOoW, 27 septembre 2012 - 11:25 .

[henesua]

is the test for whether a wizard is a necromancy specialist in your community patch?

[Bard Simpson]

henesua, I really like what you're doing. I can't comment too much on most of the spell lists (having never really played a cleric, sorcerer, or wizard and having pretty much only played druid to take shifter), but I always appreciate a little more love for bards. I can say that your take on cleric domains is quite interesting; it brings back some PnP memories (I played games in the 1st edition and early 2nd edition, so I remember being enthralled when the concept of domains came along and opened many possibilities for DM customization).

The ranger changes would also be nice, the addition of Barkskin and Awaken being particularly so. I love strength-based rangers, but hate the AC with light armor (which I like for low armor check penalty and RP, as well as dual-wielding). I am curious about your Rogue's Cunning, though. Is it One With the Land or something similar? If it is OWtL, then adding it to bard is very nice and giving it to mages is quite interesting.

[henesua]

Thanks, Bard. Its always good to get comments.

Bard Simpson wrote...

I always appreciate a little more love for bards.

What changes are interesting to you here? The elimination of somatic components for some spells? Or any spell list changes in particular? If you are into playing bards, I'd like your perspective on whether you think some spells are innappropriate for bards or whether others would be more appropriate.

The ranger changes would also be nice, the addition of Barkskin and Awaken being particularly so. I love strength-based rangers, but hate the AC with light armor (which I like for low armor check penalty and RP, as well as dual-wielding). I am curious about your Rogue's Cunning, though. Is it One With the Land or something similar? If it is OWtL, then adding it to bard is very nice and giving it to mages is quite interesting.

One With the Land and Rogues Cunning are similar but not the same. See NWNWiki entry on Rogues Cunning.
I haven't put a whole lot of thought into rangers yet, but I think a nice additoin is my version of Pass Without Trace and Steady Stride. These spells enable a ranger to lead other party members more effectively through the wilderness. Steady Styride mitigates terrain effects, and Pass Without Trace helps prevent other PC rangers from tracking the party. I think that could make for good fun in multiplayer. It has not yet come into play in our sessions, but perhaps when I open up Arnheim to more players it will get a chance shine. What do you think? Would shielding other party members from a tracking feat (which enables other rangers to hunt you) and mitigating terrain which slows characters down (muck, brambles) be of interest?

Also... although you favor strength based rangers, I've given light armor some benefits. The range of dex benefits is much expanded. However while light armor also has some damage reduction properites, the heavier armors offer substatially more protection which should give fighters and paladins a little bit of a needed lift. Dex based rangers will like the increased ranger of dex. The improvements there can be seen in the Arnheim Weapon/Armor thread.

Modifié par henesua, 28 septembre 2012 - 01:20 .

[Bard Simpson]

henesua wrote...

What changes are interesting to you here? The elimination of somatic components for some spells? Or any spell list changes in particular? If you are into playing bards, I'd like your perspective on whether you think some spells are innappropriate for bards or whether others would be more appropriate.

Firstly, being able to cast cures while in armor would be very handy, so, yes, eliminating somatic components for cures is interesting to me. Among your list changes for bards, I particularly like Blast of the Iron Horn, Clairaudience (at L2 instead of L3), Scry, and Feeblemind. This is because of my general associations with bards (I first think of Celtic poet-mage types) and the in-game facets with which I most identify (sonic theme, enhancement/reduction of skills and abilities, and lore/information gathering). There are a few other spells that you might consider including for bards; the spell list changes for the EMS package added Deafening Clang, Great Thundeclap, Dominate Monster, and Mass Charm. While the latter two spells might seem too powerful to some, they certainly fit the theme.

I haven't put a whole lot of thought into rangers yet, but I think a nice additoin is my version of Pass Without Trace and Steady Stride. These spells enable a ranger to lead other party members more effectively through the wilderness. Steady Styride mitigates terrain effects, and Pass Without Trace helps prevent other PC rangers from tracking the party. I think that could make for good fun in multiplayer. It has not yet come into play in our sessions, but perhaps when I open up Arnheim to more players it will get a chance shine. What do you think? Would shielding other party members from a tracking feat (which enables other rangers to hunt you) and mitigating terrain which slows characters down (muck, brambles) be of interest?

Would they be of interest? Absolutely, yes! I love the concept, and believe you are creating a world where they would be of great practical value. My own thoughts on rangers are heavily influenced by the 1st edition rules, wherein the class had to be good-aligned and was rather a guide and protector; these spells fit that picture quite nicely. I enjoy using stealth, traps, and tracking with rangers, and think your changes would work well with those abilities, too. By the way, I believe I did a poor job of wording my feelings on strength and light armor. What with my RP views, I try to use light armor, even on strength rangers; this makes Barkskin a most welcome addition to the ranger spell list.

Modifié par Bard Simpson, 28 septembre 2012 - 02:48 .

[henesua]

I think Dominate Monster is much too powerful for a bard, and I am not convinced that a bard's dominate ability should extend to monsters given that a bard's power derives from the culture they are part of. This means to me that their power should fade beyond the realm of people. Anyway, I do think that Mass Charm works as a 6th level bard spell and so I'll roll that one in.

FYI - claireaudience has been modified. It doesn't increase spot/listen. Instead it enables a bard to actually eavesdrop from a distance. You can eaves drop at a memorized location or cast the spell on a door to listen to what is on the other side. The bard is notified of creatures moving in and out of the area of effect, and of anything said that the bard might hear from the scry point. This still has some bugs, but I'll get it working soon.

Modifié par henesua, 28 septembre 2012 - 03:21 .

[Shadooow]

henesua wrote...

is the test for whether a wizard is a necromancy specialist in your community patch?

nope its a homebrew function posted here some time ago

EDIT: found the LINK

Modifié par ShaDoOoW, 28 septembre 2012 - 01:27 .

[henesua]

Thanks, ShaDoOoW. I haven't had a chance to look at that yet, but I will.

[henesua]

I've made additional polymorph changes, modified Polymorph Self and Wildshape, and added a spell called Animal Shapes (Bard/Ranger 3, Animal Domain 4), and a new feat called Wild Shape, Small.

FYI:
I have renamed Animal Companions as "Spirit Animals" and reduced them to some basics: badger, wolf, bear, boar, hawk, panther. The druid/ranger has a close connection with their spirit animal and is thus able to merge armor and item properties with related polymorphs. Fey and Goblin-touched are very connected to animal kind so they always merge items and armor.

Polymorph Self (as noted above):

• Giant Spider (spider climb ability, immune to webs)
• Ogre  (wields a weapon which merges with equipped weapon, and because of Q has full range of animations)
• Wyvern (flight, poison tail)
• Giant Crab (aquatic, medium size)
• Ochre Jelly (pass door ability, many invulnerabilites, acid slam)

Animal Shapes/Wild Shape, Small:

• Mouse (pass door)  - spirit: badger
• Frog (aquatic)
• Raven (flight, speech)  - spirit: hawk
• Bat (flight, blindsight)
• Cat - spirit: panther

Wild Shape new forms:

• Hawk (flight)  - replaces badger if Spirit Animal is Hawk
• Great Eagle (flight)  - replaces dire badger if Spirit Animal is Hawk

And I made icons for all of these spells, feats etc... It feels like this is starting to come together.

Modifié par henesua, 01 octobre 2012 - 12:11 .

[henesua]

 Now that I have tinkered enough with the spells and ensured my TLK is updated, I am doubling back and improving the magic item crafting situation (scrolls, wands, potions). Has anyone else used The Krit's A Better Craft Magic? Or at least played on a server with it? I've implemented it and am expanding the options for my spells so that each spell property has 5 level options. A caster level 9 magic missile wand would be fun to make on your own eh?

Anyway, I can see in teh comments that ShaDoOoW thinks its over powering to do this. I'm wondering what others think. Or what ideas people have for ensuring this is well balanced.

[henesua]

I remade Shelgarn's Persistent blade as a second level wizard spell called Animated Knife. Its an enchantment which compels a dagger or kukri to spring into the air and attack the caster's enemies. The enchantment can be dipelled via dispel magic and other related spells. However banishment does not work as this is not a summon but an enchantment. The spell must be cast on a dagger or kukri and then the targeted weapon is equipped by an invisible henchman. The number of weapons a wizard can enchant in this manner is limited by the number of henchman the module allows.

Animate Knife
Caster Level(s): Wizard / Sorcerer 2
Innate Level: 2
School: Enchantment
Descriptor(s): Enchanted Item
Component(s): Verbal, Somatic (Material: Dagger or Kukri)
Range: Touch
Area of Effect / Target: Knife (Dagger or Kukri)
Duration: 1  round/Level
Additional Counter Spells:
Save: None
Spell Resistance: No

This spell animates the targeted knife and gives it the ability to fight in defense of the caster. The animated knife joins the caster's party as a henchman.

Modifié par henesua, 12 octobre 2012 - 11:38 .

[Frimbleglim]

Hi Henesua, It's been a while.

You might want to increase the duration on your animate knife spell. Shelgarn's Persistent blade is only really useful to give monsters something to attack while you run away and a version that takes longer to cast (because you have to click different points on the screen or put a knife on the floor) is going to have very limited use without a longer duration.

[henesua]

Good to see ya, Frimble. I've missed playing with you in game.

I've tested Animate Knife in a variety of situations. Its a useful spell. Considering your response I may give it something like 5 rounds + 1 round per level, but that is the most I'd do. I see the duration as the limit on the spell, and I think a short duration is necessary to keep it balanced.

The strength of this spell is that it is NOT a summon so any number of knives can be enchanted (I set henchman to a limit of 50 in Arnheim). This means that it is potentially VERY powerful. Put this spell on a wand, and you have the ability to spawn forth an army of knives. If the duration was 1 minute per level, it would be an overpowered spell.

I agree that the Animate Weapon spell on the other hand needs additional incentive I think since it is higher level (I am replacing Mordenkainen's sword with a spell that can make any kind of weapon dance).

A few other benefits of enchanted weapons:
- I prefer spells that scale, so the the enchantment gains 1 level per 2 caster levels. (this affects HP, BAB etc...)
- The knives have many immunities - most notably fire and electricity. Which enables a caster to send them forth to tie up enemies in an area they plan to cast fireball.
- Any knife can be animated. A powerful weapon could make this spell very interesting.

[WhiZard]

henesua wrote...

[*]Necromancy raise dead spells etc... have not been altered yet, but I intend to change the way they work, and enabling Necromancers to cultivate armies of undead rather than just one summon at a time. Raising an undead however will likely require an appropriate corpse or the like as material component.

Here is what I have used.  It attaches an army to a single summon leader (typically tougher than the rest).  Might not be what you are looking for, but its worth a shot.


void SummonArmy(string sRes, int nNum, string sArmyRes= "")
 {
 if(sArmyRes == "") sArmyRes = sRes;
 object oSummon = GetAssociate(ASSOCIATE_TYPE_SUMMONED);
 if(GetResRef(oSummon) != sRes) return;
 int nLeft = nNum + (nNum > 1);
 while(nLeft--)
   {
   effect eArmy = SupernaturalEffect(EffectSummonCreature(sArmyRes));
   ApplyEffectToObject(DURATION_TYPE_PERMANENT, eArmy, oSummon);
   }
 }

void main()
{
effect eSummon = EffectSummonCreature("nw_s_skeleton");
ApplyEffectToObject(DURATION_TYPE_PERMANENT, eSummon, OBJECT_SELF);
DelayCommand(1.0, SummonArmy("nw_s_skeleton", 2));
}

[henesua]

That is interesting, Whizard. Thanks.

What object does that script execute on?

[WhiZard]

henesua wrote...

That is interesting, Whizard. Thanks.

What object does that script execute on?

The script runs on the summoner and the army is attached to the principle summon.