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[Cyonan]

Colonel Sheppard wrote...

Stupid comment.  Hardly any PS3 players play ME3 anymore.  PC players?  Have you tried to get a random gold game that isn't FWGG lately?  Almost every PC player I know have moved onto BL2 or BF Armor.  The ones left are the ones still trying to max out their manifest (poor fellas), and they're struggling because many have moved on and they can't make enough credits now.

I actually play only pugs on PC. Oddly enough I almost never get FBW/G/G even when I pick Random/Random/Gold, and searches are still just as fast as they used to be.

I'm sure that the PC players you know make up the entire community of PC, though.

[Colonel Sheppard]

Sulaco_7 wrote...

You can track the multiplayer base decline by credit expenditure:

1.38 trillion credits spent from March - May (about 60 days)
1.02 trillion credits spent from July - September (about 60 days)

That is a decline of 26%.

It's far worst.  Platinum brought a doubling of credits so the latter number is very deceiving.

[NooberandNeeber]

Cool story, bro. Was there a point to this?

[MaxShine]

Cyonan wrote...
I actually play only pugs on PC. Oddly enough I almost never get FBW/G/G even when I pick Random/Random/Gold, and searches are still just as fast as they used to be.

I'm sure that the PC players you know make up the entire community of PC, though.

When I do that, nothing happens. It may have to do with the not very transparent matchmaking. I cannot get a full lobby in reasonable time. So I just start solo and then suddenly I get some people. Sometimes however I am on my own, I guess this is why I have become quite a good solo player haha

I can get into matches by doing a quicksearch, but when I do not host I can only use the weapons that are not so much affected by lag...

[Colonel Sheppard]

Cyonan wrote...

I actually play only pugs on PC. Oddly
enough I almost never get FBW/G/G even when I pick Random/Random/Gold,
and searches are still just as fast as they used to be.

I'm sure that the PC players you know make up the entire community of PC, though.

Another stupid comment. 
Deny it if you wish.  Every PC player knows the reality and have
witnessed the declined of veteran players.  Put your hands to your ears, put on the blinders, and repeat, "nah, nah, nah, can't hear you, can'y hear you."

[brian_breed]

steverw1975 wrote...

brian_breed wrote...

This and all other posts comparing Borderlands 2 to ME3 are stupid. The games provide widely divergent experiences and satisfy divergent tastes. BL2 won't kill ME3 because it's not even competing for the same niche.

That's funny. All but one of my ME3 friends is now playing BL2. That's a fairly high degree of crossover in my book. Are they exactly alike? Of course not. Both, however, offer co-op (and that's the key point) shooter/ability play.

Note that I said "widely divergent experiences" and "satisfy divergent tastes." I'm playing Borderlands 2 right now. I'm also playing Mass Effect 3 right now. Gasp! How do I do this black magic? How do I like more than one thing at the same time?!

[Eriseley]

To be honest, I know more people who are playing less because of classes or life rather than other games, haha. Of course other games have an impact, but the chicken littling is silly. What's the point of it? If you don't enjoy the game, then go play others, it's cool, that's what I do too. If you do enjoy it but really can't find folks, I'll be happy to play some games with PC folks.

[Cyonan]

Colonel Sheppard wrote...
Another stupid comment.
Deny it if you wish. Every PC player knows the reality and have
witnessed the declined of veteran players. Put your hands to your ears, put on the blinders, and repeat, "nah, nah, nah, can't hear you, can'y hear you."

Clearly my experiences are invalid, and your claims should be taken without question, because they're predicting the end of Mass Effect 3 MP, right?

Of course players have left, every game has players leave. Not enough of them have left to the point where Xbox is the only thing that matters. I'm pretty sure trying to play Halo 4 on my PC wont work out that well, and I couldn't possibly care less about Call of Duty if you paid me(though I would still take the money), so I wont be playing either of those come December. There are a lot of people that wont be playing either. CoD is not exactly universally loved by all, and Halo is an exclusive title.

but hey, don't let my general positivity for this game get in the way of your doomsaying.

[brian_breed]

mbergeron468 wrote...

brian_breed wrote...

This and all other posts comparing Borderlands 2 to ME3 are stupid. The games provide widely divergent experiences and satisfy divergent tastes. BL2 won't kill ME3 because it's not even competing for the same niche.

Who is comparing the games? People are simply making an observation about the changing playerbase in me3. What niche is me3 in?

Let me help you then.

upinya slayin wrote...

This doesn't count the people on the forums but people need to realize
the reality of hpw bad the playerbase is and how its gnna get worse. The
people who weren't playing much have moved onto BL2, alot of the high
end players have moved onto BL2 as well.

Please note here, mbergeron, that OP upinya slayin suggests that to play one game is to leave another. That's like saying, "The ground is wet, therefore it is raining."

"People are playing Borderlands 2, therefore they have moved on from Mass Effect 3." That's the implication of upinya slayin's original post, and it's not a valid conclusion from the premise.

Moreover, upinya slayin's original premise - "the people that play ME3 are the same people that play Borderlands 2" - betrays a hidden premise - "Mass Effect 3 and Borderlands 2 are competing for the same playerbase." The caveats to upinya's original assertion, "The people who don't play ME3 much have moved on to BL2," and, "The higher-ranking players have moved on to BL2," both rely on the hidden premise.

You're welcome for the free lesson in close reading.

[ToaOrka]

****ing plebeians, go back to the generic FPS from wence ye came!

[Zero132132]

brian_breed wrote...

mbergeron468 wrote...

brian_breed wrote...

This and all other posts comparing Borderlands 2 to ME3 are stupid. The games provide widely divergent experiences and satisfy divergent tastes. BL2 won't kill ME3 because it's not even competing for the same niche.

Who is comparing the games? People are simply making an observation about the changing playerbase in me3. What niche is me3 in?

Let me help you then.

upinya slayin wrote...

This doesn't count the people on the forums but people need to realize
the reality of hpw bad the playerbase is and how its gnna get worse. The
people who weren't playing much have moved onto BL2, alot of the high
end players have moved onto BL2 as well.

Please note here, mbergeron, that OP upinya slayin suggests that to play one game is to leave another. That's like saying, "The ground is wet, therefore it is raining."

"People are playing Borderlands 2, therefore they have moved on from Mass Effect 3." That's the implication of upinya slayin's original post, and it's not a valid conclusion from the premise.

Moreover, upinya slayin's original premise - "the people that play ME3 are the same people that play Borderlands 2" - betrays a hidden premise - "Mass Effect 3 and Borderlands 2 are competing for the same playerbase." The caveats to upinya's original assertion, "The people who don't play ME3 much have moved on to BL2," and, "The higher-ranking players have moved on to BL2," both rely on the hidden premise.

You're welcome for the free lesson in close reading.

Competing for the same playerbase isn't an  assumption; they're both RPG-shooters, so it's actually reasonable to think they share a large portion of their playerbases. It isn't even just a deduction; it's a concrete observation that a friends list comprised almost entirely of people from ME3's MP is now playing Borderlands. There's also no point in the post where he claims Borderlands 2 is fantastamazing in the OP. You didn't even claim there was one in your silly rant. In what sense is your post a reply to the other poster?

[RNG God]

InTheZone wrote...

LOL, another post praising BL2, "high end players moved onto BL2" - **** this, I'm reporting this thread for garbage. The ME3 community is far from dead.

Nothing wrong about praising a good game.
Also, yes the community is dead. Went over with a friend to have a night of gaming, turned on Mass Effect (He has a 360) And took a good half hour to find something that wasn't White/Geth.

[upinya slayin]

brian_breed wrote...

mbergeron468 wrote...

brian_breed wrote...

This and all other posts comparing Borderlands 2 to ME3 are stupid. The games provide widely divergent experiences and satisfy divergent tastes. BL2 won't kill ME3 because it's not even competing for the same niche.

Who is comparing the games? People are simply making an observation about the changing playerbase in me3. What niche is me3 in?

Let me help you then.

upinya slayin wrote...

This doesn't count the people on the forums but people need to realize
the reality of hpw bad the playerbase is and how its gnna get worse. The
people who weren't playing much have moved onto BL2, alot of the high
end players have moved onto BL2 as well.

Please note here, mbergeron, that OP upinya slayin suggests that to play one game is to leave another. That's like saying, "The ground is wet, therefore it is raining."

"People are playing Borderlands 2, therefore they have moved on from Mass Effect 3." That's the implication of upinya slayin's original post, and it's not a valid conclusion from the premise.

Moreover, upinya slayin's original premise - "the people that play ME3 are the same people that play Borderlands 2" - betrays a hidden premise - "Mass Effect 3 and Borderlands 2 are competing for the same playerbase." The caveats to upinya's original assertion, "The people who don't play ME3 much have moved on to BL2," and, "The higher-ranking players have moved on to BL2," both rely on the hidden premise.

You're welcome for the free lesson in close reading.

what you are missing is he is one of the high end players who ahve moved on as well. lol and saying moved on doesn't mean we are throwing ME3 out of the window but for instance if we average about 30 hours a week of gaming. and 30 of tha was spend on ME3 now 25 is spent on BL2 and 5 on ME3 thats a huuge drop.

You can look at a manifest to tell how much people have played it (mine is maxxed out for instance) i'll still play it. espicially when we get new DLC, but for teh most part BL2 is gonna dominate my playing time

[steverw1975]

brian_breed wrote...

steverw1975 wrote...

brian_breed wrote...

This and all other posts comparing Borderlands 2 to ME3 are stupid. The games provide widely divergent experiences and satisfy divergent tastes. BL2 won't kill ME3 because it's not even competing for the same niche.

That's funny. All but one of my ME3 friends is now playing BL2. That's a fairly high degree of crossover in my book. Are they exactly alike? Of course not. Both, however, offer co-op (and that's the key point) shooter/ability play.

Note that I said "widely divergent experiences" and "satisfy divergent tastes." I'm playing Borderlands 2 right now. I'm also playing Mass Effect 3 right now. Gasp! How do I do this black magic? How do I like more than one thing at the same time?!

Hey brain trust, I think you missed my point. You claimed BL2 and ME3 mp weren't "competing for the same niche".  My point was that the co-op shooter/rpg element in both makes them similar enough that they are at the very least competing for many of the same players. As for you playing multiple games, I don't care if you (or anyone else) plays 10 games at the same time. If you're playing another game and not increasing the amount of time you play by at least as much as you play those other games, then it means that ME3 mp's player base is being negatively affected. It's not simply a matter of how many people play, it's how much they play. If you put the game in for a match or two over the weekend, you're not really adding much to the player base.

[megawug]

mbergeron468 wrote...

In me3 isnt there already an assumption of what each class is supposed to do? such as adept use biotics/biotic explosions and so on. People made threads about how this class isnt a true this or that, so it would go into saying that if you are a certain class then there is a certain playstyle that should be followed for that class.

Chargeless Vanguards.  Sniper rifle Adepts.  'Nuff said.

Modifié par megawug, 20 septembre 2012 - 11:07 .

[RGFrog]

Just had to solo a U/U/G... sat in the lobby for 20 minutes and just gave up.

No joins during play either. Snore.

[megawug]

My guess (and just a wild guess) is that BL2 will affect ME3 MP probably as much or more than Diablo 3. The games do have enough in common that some players will not come back to ME3 and some will come back occasionally after a month or so.

I think as long as there is another MP DLC, ME3 MP will have enough players to keep going for at least a few months.

[Zanzibaarus]

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...

The MP game needs to evolve past just new Characters / R&UR Items everytime a new DLC comes out. There really needs to be some new game mode, or at least some big improvements to MP's technical issues (RNG, store & gameplay bugs).

This.

[GallowsPole]

As of day 1, absolutely no issues getting games up or finding decent players on Xbox. Don't know how your searches work, but no issues here. Yes, more new people and yes, still farming to contend with, but the longest time ever waiting for a match is waiting for nimrods to ready up.

I suspect that people are waiting on a lobby full of good players before they ready. Well, stop being picky and play. You might be surprised.

[SoulRebel_1979]

Colonel Sheppard wrote...

Another stupid comment. 
Deny it if you wish.  Every PC player knows the reality and have
witnessed the declined of veteran players.  Put your hands to your ears, put on the blinders, and repeat, "nah, nah, nah, can't hear you, can'y hear you."

I haven't noticed anything. I play on PC and play U/U/G all the time. Maybe you play a different time zone but I never have to wait more than 20-30 seconds for a lobby to fill up.

[mbergeron468]

brian_breed wrote...

mbergeron468 wrote...

brian_breed wrote...

This and all other posts comparing Borderlands 2 to ME3 are stupid. The games provide widely divergent experiences and satisfy divergent tastes. BL2 won't kill ME3 because it's not even competing for the same niche.

Who is comparing the games? People are simply making an observation about the changing playerbase in me3. What niche is me3 in?

Let me help you then.

upinya slayin wrote...

This doesn't count the people on the forums but people need to realize
the reality of hpw bad the playerbase is and how its gnna get worse. The
people who weren't playing much have moved onto BL2, alot of the high
end players have moved onto BL2 as well.

Please note here, mbergeron, that OP upinya slayin suggests that to play one game is to leave another. That's like saying, "The ground is wet, therefore it is raining."

"People are playing Borderlands 2, therefore they have moved on from Mass Effect 3." That's the implication of upinya slayin's original post, and it's not a valid conclusion from the premise.

Moreover, upinya slayin's original premise - "the people that play ME3 are the same people that play Borderlands 2" - betrays a hidden premise - "Mass Effect 3 and Borderlands 2 are competing for the same playerbase." The caveats to upinya's original assertion, "The people who don't play ME3 much have moved on to BL2," and, "The higher-ranking players have moved on to BL2," both rely on the hidden premise.

You're welcome for the free lesson in close reading.

I believe you have taken the origial post and have blown it up into your own thoughts and opinion which make zero sense. There is no hidden premise, upinya slayin simply made an observation about the changing player base and other like myself have made commentsabout that. Obviously this concept of observing went way over your head as you tried to make the OP way more than it is.

[mbergeron468]

megawug wrote...

mbergeron468 wrote...

In me3 isnt there already an assumption of what each class is supposed to do? such as adept use biotics/biotic explosions and so on. People made threads about how this class isnt a true this or that, so it would go into saying that if you are a certain class then there is a certain playstyle that should be followed for that class.

Chargeless Vanguards.  Sniper rifle Adepts.  'Nuff said.

This is nothing towards you, but when other players say they have created a new class such as cloakless infiltrators it is not a new class, you have simply taken the primary powers of the class and skipped them which in my opinion makes them less efficient and cannot do all the things the class is made to do.

[Anarchy__]

what proof do you have to support your statement? unless you have actual statistics or any type of proof you will remain an idiot

[mpompeo27]

Emerald_Phoenix wrote...

Tis the normal cycle of any game. I still enjoy playing and fortunately we have this forum here. I'm currently trying to enlist platinum peeps for PS3 because 3/4 of my friends list have moved on.

I think you're on my friends list, but we haven't played together yet.

[brian_breed]

Zero132132 wrote...

brian_breed wrote...

mbergeron468 wrote...

brian_breed wrote...

This and all other posts comparing Borderlands 2 to ME3 are stupid. The games provide widely divergent experiences and satisfy divergent tastes. BL2 won't kill ME3 because it's not even competing for the same niche.

Who is comparing the games? People are simply making an observation about the changing playerbase in me3. What niche is me3 in?

Let me help you then.

upinya slayin wrote...

This doesn't count the people on the forums but people need to realize
the reality of hpw bad the playerbase is and how its gnna get worse. The
people who weren't playing much have moved onto BL2, alot of the high
end players have moved onto BL2 as well.

Please note here, mbergeron, that OP upinya slayin suggests that to play one game is to leave another. That's like saying, "The ground is wet, therefore it is raining."

"People are playing Borderlands 2, therefore they have moved on from Mass Effect 3." That's the implication of upinya slayin's original post, and it's not a valid conclusion from the premise.

Moreover, upinya slayin's original premise - "the people that play ME3 are the same people that play Borderlands 2" - betrays a hidden premise - "Mass Effect 3 and Borderlands 2 are competing for the same playerbase." The caveats to upinya's original assertion, "The people who don't play ME3 much have moved on to BL2," and, "The higher-ranking players have moved on to BL2," both rely on the hidden premise.

You're welcome for the free lesson in close reading.

Competing for the same playerbase isn't an  assumption; they're both RPG-shooters, so it's actually reasonable to think they share a large portion of their playerbases. It isn't even just a deduction; it's a concrete observation that a friends list comprised almost entirely of people from ME3's MP is now playing Borderlands. There's also no point in the post where he claims Borderlands 2 is fantastamazing in the OP. You didn't even claim there was one in your silly rant. In what sense is your post a reply to the other poster?

In what sense? Zero, mberg asked why I claimed that OP compared BL2 to ME3. I laid out that reasoning. I also didn't claim that the premise was wrong, just hidden. ME3 and BL2 do share the same userbase, but it's not identical. There's divergence between what the games offer that allows both to succeed at the same time, with the same players.

I didn't rant. I deconstructed. Go find the original context to my post and you'll be closer to understanding how conversations work.