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#276
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I support this, so long as it's definitely done right. Skyrim's marriage, while a good concept, wasn't that great.

Granted, Skyrim isn't about the LIs, but it still would've been nice to see some honest effort put into it.

I mean, I love Aela the Huntress. She's a badass and my favorite female character in the game. But the marriage just felt so.... hollow.

Of course, I didn't have much of a crowd there -- due to me just rushing into it because... well... Aela's awesome -- but even afterwards, there are a few things wrong with it.

No honeymoon sex -- hell, no option to have sex with them at all, which made the marriage feel very Sebastian-esque. And no dialogue that opens up after getting married to her. No matching arms and armor for slaying trolls. No howling at the blood red moon.

So if it's done, I'd like to see some real effort put into it.

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I would have loved to see Aveline and Donnic's wedding. :)

Which one is the bride?


That's something I'd expect Isabela to say. Image IPB

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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I would have loved to see Aveline and Donnic's wedding. :)

Which one is the bride?


That's something I'd expect Isabela to say. Image IPB

I just realize that. lol

The awesomeness of Isabela. :wub:

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Battlebloodmage wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I would have loved to see Aveline and Donnic's wedding. :)

Which one is the bride?


Considering Aveline was stumbling her way through attempting to get his attention and court him, and Donnic was the one to be direct enough to enter her office (no pun intended)...

I'd say Aveline was the bride. ;)

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I wouldn't mind it if it was well done, but I personally wouldn't prefer it. As many people have said, our characters have more important things to do than get married and have kids while there is a war going on. BUT, if our protagonist was older (and had a kid?) and had a spouse who was deceased at the beginning of the game, it might be an interesting backstory for the main character.

It would add an extra dimension, add the conflict of moving onto a new relationship when you lost someone close to you. Kind of like Anders and Karl, but in this case the main character, and the story behind that could be based on your dialogue choices. It's just a suggestion though.

I care more about the romance adding to the emotional depth and interest of the plot. I think a good group of well written, multidimensional characters, some of whom who may or may not be romancable, is my ideal. (Origins did well in this, in my opinion, DA2... felt like the romance was just tacked on, now that I've actually played through the whole game.) I think it should be rewarding whether you play as a protagonist who is in a romance with somebody or single. I have played through Fable without getting married, and I'm going to do a DA:O and DA2 continuation where neither character romances anyone.I think the games aren't detracted from without it, but I think it should be good addition that enhances the experience of the main game, which is why I want LIs that are more integral to the story, rather than just 2 who are, and 2 who are just kind of there as alternatives.

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EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Furthermore, these 'romances' are just a cheap marketing ploy used by EA to attract female gamers who would otherwise play The Sims if the characters spoke a real language.

 

Well, first of all, I'm a little insulted at the idea of in-game romances being a cheap ploy to attract (specifically) female gamers. I know lots of males who love the in-game romances, love falling in love with Morrigan or Leliana or Zevran or what-have-you -- it's not a strictly "female" thing, some silly fluff to attract girls who don't appreciate other elements of the game. As a female gamer, I thoroughly thank you for that gross generalization.

I would go on more, but I see other posters have done that already.

In any case, to get back on topic, the reason Dragon Age holds a special place in my heart is entirely because of its characters. Bioware crafts some amazingly interesting, nuanced individuals (particularly in DAO, which is mostly what I'm talking about, here). Talking to Zevran or Sten or Morrigan in camp just... it's immersive. These characters add so much to the game, make the world of Thedas almost seem real. 

Similarly, I spend a lot of time crafting my characters, thinking about them, their personality, things like that. I have 50+ pages of Word Documents filled with facts about my characters, details about their lives and how they conduct themselves. Is that obsessive? Horrendously nerdy? Yes, but it helps me get into the world, helps me really feel involved in the game. It helps me get into the role necessary to fully enjoy the role-playing game.

And so, I think the romances add to that level of immersion. The romances don't have to be "romances," either -- you can have a casual fling with Zevran (because it's in-character for him to want to bone), sure, but you can also make Leliana's dreams of a high romance come true (because it's in-character for her to want a love like in the stories she tells). Alistair only marries you if you're a female human noble (because it's in-character for him to feel that it's his duty, as a king, to make socially acceptable choices and provide heirs and all that jazz). All the endings you can possibly have with characters are all in-character for them, shockingly enough. Bioware doesn't let you run off and have kossith babies with Sten because that's not in-character for him. 

And so, in the epilogue, I wouldn't mind a cutscene of a wedding. No early-on marriages, no babies or anything like that in the game itself -- I would just like a cuscene in the epilogue. That's all. And only if it's in-character for the LI and the PC to want to get married.

If both parties agree to it during a conversation during the game (sort of like with Zevran's earring, or post-Landsmeet Alistair), I don't see why the idea of a cutscene is receiving such negativity. It would tickle me pink. Or, to address the very valid point that RinjiRenee made earlier, "people in Thedas don't need marriage to symbolize their commitment," I wouldn't mind just... some form of relationship closure cutscene, if that makes sense. I just like epilogue cutscenes. 

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David Gaider wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...
Oh, don't worry. We will throw all the punches. Punching come standard. Possibly, if you buy the CE, David Gaider will come to your house to punch you in person.


I will also pet their hand afterwards, and coo to them softly to tell them everything will be better soon.

It's all part of the co-dependency thing we got going on here.


:blink:

*never orders CE ever*

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Mel_Redux wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...
Oh, don't worry. We will throw all the punches. Punching come standard. Possibly, if you buy the CE, David Gaider will come to your house to punch you in person.


I will also pet their hand afterwards, and coo to them softly to tell them everything will be better soon.

It's all part of the co-dependency thing we got going on here.


:blink:

*never orders CE ever*


Liar.

#283
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David Gaider wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...
Oh, don't worry. We will throw all the punches. Punching come standard. Possibly, if you buy the CE, David Gaider will come to your house to punch you in person.


I will also pet their hand afterwards, and coo to them softly to tell them everything will be better soon.

It's all part of the co-dependency thing we got going on here.


Shut up and take my money! :lol:

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aetherwyn wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Furthermore, these 'romances' are just a cheap marketing ploy used by EA to attract female gamers who would otherwise play The Sims if the characters spoke a real language.

 

Well, first of all, I'm a little insulted at the idea of in-game romances being a cheap ploy to attract (specifically) female gamers. I know lots of males who love the in-game romances, love falling in love with Morrigan or Leliana or Zevran or what-have-you -- it's not a strictly "female" thing, some silly fluff to attract girls who don't appreciate other elements of the game. As a female gamer, I thoroughly thank you for that gross generalization.

I agree. I was wrong to make that sort of judgement. I apologized to everyone in the thread on page eight. Again, I'm sorry.

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Tasmen wrote...

Mel_Redux wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...
Oh, don't worry. We will throw all the punches. Punching come standard. Possibly, if you buy the CE, David Gaider will come to your house to punch you in person.


I will also pet their hand afterwards, and coo to them softly to tell them everything will be better soon.

It's all part of the co-dependency thing we got going on here.


:blink:

*never orders CE ever*


Liar.


YOU DON'T KNOW ME!
*yes you do*

#286
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David Gaider wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...
Oh, don't worry. We will throw all the punches. Punching come standard. Possibly, if you buy the CE, David Gaider will come to your house to punch you in person.


I will also pet their hand afterwards, and coo to them softly to tell them everything will be better soon.

It's all part of the co-dependency thing we got going on here.


Hahahaha this made me laugh so hard. Anyway you better be serious. If I buy the CE and you don't come to my house and punch me I will be very upset.

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Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I would have loved to see Aveline and Donnic's wedding. :)

Which one is the bride?


Considering Aveline was stumbling her way through attempting to get his attention and court him, and Donnic was the one to be direct enough to enter her office (no pun intended)...

I'd say Aveline was the bride. ;)


Admit it....you TOTALLY mean't that as a pun lol.

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EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

I agree. I was wrong to make that sort of judgement. I apologized to everyone in the thread on page eight. Again, I'm sorry.


In that case, I apologize for missing your apology. I read the thread but somehow glossed over it. And thank you.

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Mel_Redux wrote...

I'm all for this angle, actually.  For me personally, a story's not good unless it punches me right in the feels.  Not the good feels, the bad feels.  Happy endings/stories do nothing for me.  But a story/ending that sends me through a range of emotions....rage anger despair woe happiness depression....that's a good story.  I think I might quite like a wedding that ends in death, murder, and betrayal.  AND WEIRD I'M A WOMAN AND WOULD RATHER HAVE BLOOD AND GORE THAN PUPPIES AND BUNNIES.

That's why I love you so much Bioware.  You never fail to punch me right in the feels.  You punch me real good.


In all seriuosness I wish your decisions could impact if a relationship turned out. Like not good/evil decisions --- subtle ones. I want to get cheated on or not get along with somone or go through a messy break-up or possibly have it all work it all on one game. A toxic relationship would be interesting, whose to say you don't deal with domestic violence or severe addiction? Bad relationships would be really interesting thing to explore and could have a serious impact on the player. (I'm not saying make a joke of these things, but to take them seriously and have them come up in unexpected ways.)

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Shadowfang12 wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I would have loved to see Aveline and Donnic's wedding. :)

Which one is the bride?


Considering Aveline was stumbling her way through attempting to get his attention and court him, and Donnic was the one to be direct enough to enter her office (no pun intended)...

I'd say Aveline was the bride. ;)


Admit it....you TOTALLY mean't that as a pun lol.


I admit nothing! >.>

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infraredman wrote...

Mel_Redux wrote...

I'm all for this angle, actually.  For me personally, a story's not good unless it punches me right in the feels.  Not the good feels, the bad feels.  Happy endings/stories do nothing for me.  But a story/ending that sends me through a range of emotions....rage anger despair woe happiness depression....that's a good story.  I think I might quite like a wedding that ends in death, murder, and betrayal.  AND WEIRD I'M A WOMAN AND WOULD RATHER HAVE BLOOD AND GORE THAN PUPPIES AND BUNNIES.

That's why I love you so much Bioware.  You never fail to punch me right in the feels.  You punch me real good.


In all seriuosness I wish your decisions could impact if a relationship turned out. Like not good/evil decisions --- subtle ones. I want to get cheated on or not get along with somone or go through a messy break-up or possibly have it all work it all on one game. A toxic relationship would be interesting, whose to say you don't deal with domestic violence or severe addiction? Bad relationships would be really interesting thing to explore and could have a serious impact on the player. (I'm not saying make a joke of these things, but to take them seriously and have them come up in unexpected ways.)

I agree, it would be nice (sort of) to be cheated on rather than be the cheater for once. And I love the idea of an abusive relationship between the villain (doesnt have to be a villain) and the hero... Id have given anything to romance Loghain in DA:O, Reaver in Fable, Butch in F3 or Vulpes in F:NV.

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MinttyMint wrote...

infraredman wrote...

Mel_Redux wrote...

I'm all for this angle, actually.  For me personally, a story's not good unless it punches me right in the feels.  Not the good feels, the bad feels.  Happy endings/stories do nothing for me.  But a story/ending that sends me through a range of emotions....rage anger despair woe happiness depression....that's a good story.  I think I might quite like a wedding that ends in death, murder, and betrayal.  AND WEIRD I'M A WOMAN AND WOULD RATHER HAVE BLOOD AND GORE THAN PUPPIES AND BUNNIES.

That's why I love you so much Bioware.  You never fail to punch me right in the feels.  You punch me real good.


In all seriuosness I wish your decisions could impact if a relationship turned out. Like not good/evil decisions --- subtle ones. I want to get cheated on or not get along with somone or go through a messy break-up or possibly have it all work it all on one game. A toxic relationship would be interesting, whose to say you don't deal with domestic violence or severe addiction? Bad relationships would be really interesting thing to explore and could have a serious impact on the player. (I'm not saying make a joke of these things, but to take them seriously and have them come up in unexpected ways.)

I agree, it would be nice (sort of) to be cheated on rather than be the cheater for once. And I love the idea of an abusive relationship between the villain (doesnt have to be a villain) and the hero... Id have given anything to romance Loghain in DA:O, Reaver in Fable, Butch in F3 or Vulpes in F:NV.


You must not be familiar with Jacob taylor.

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OP: weddings sound like an awesome idea  to celebrate  a loving romatic realtionship with  your li it would be  even better with well thought out cut scene but then everything is better with a cut scene,

If done right it would be very memorable hope they give that some serious though -- to add to that a cool romantic proposal and honeymoon cut scene would be a great addition to that ..

Perhaps the wedding rings could be magical and could give a bonus to them both as with in the party together. I really liked the LI romantic specific quests like bella had in da2 as well.

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aetherwyn wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Furthermore, these 'romances' are just a cheap marketing ploy used by EA to attract female gamers who would otherwise play The Sims if the characters spoke a real language.

 

Well, first of all, I'm a little insulted at the idea of in-game romances being a cheap ploy to attract (specifically) female gamers. I know lots of males who love the in-game romances, love falling in love with Morrigan or Leliana or Zevran or what-have-you -- it's not a strictly "female" thing, some silly fluff to attract girls who don't appreciate other elements of the game. As a female gamer, I thoroughly thank you for that gross generalization.

I would go on more, but I see other posters have done that already.

In any case, to get back on topic, the reason Dragon Age holds a special place in my heart is entirely because of its characters. Bioware crafts some amazingly interesting, nuanced individuals (particularly in DAO, which is mostly what I'm talking about, here). Talking to Zevran or Sten or Morrigan in camp just... it's immersive. These characters add so much to the game, make the world of Thedas almost seem real. 

Similarly, I spend a lot of time crafting my characters, thinking about them, their personality, things like that. I have 50+ pages of Word Documents filled with facts about my characters, details about their lives and how they conduct themselves. Is that obsessive? Horrendously nerdy? Yes, but it helps me get into the world, helps me really feel involved in the game. It helps me get into the role necessary to fully enjoy the role-playing game.

And so, I think the romances add to that level of immersion. The romances don't have to be "romances," either -- you can have a casual fling with Zevran (because it's in-character for him to want to bone), sure, but you can also make Leliana's dreams of a high romance come true (because it's in-character for her to want a love like in the stories she tells). Alistair only marries you if you're a female human noble (because it's in-character for him to feel that it's his duty, as a king, to make socially acceptable choices and provide heirs and all that jazz). All the endings you can possibly have with characters are all in-character for them, shockingly enough. Bioware doesn't let you run off and have kossith babies with Sten because that's not in-character for him. 

And so, in the epilogue, I wouldn't mind a cutscene of a wedding. No early-on marriages, no babies or anything like that in the game itself -- I would just like a cuscene in the epilogue. That's all. And only if it's in-character for the LI and the PC to want to get married.

If both parties agree to it during a conversation during the game (sort of like with Zevran's earring, or post-Landsmeet Alistair), I don't see why the idea of a cutscene is receiving such negativity. It would tickle me pink. Or, to address the very valid point that RinjiRenee made earlier, "people in Thedas don't need marriage to symbolize their commitment," I wouldn't mind just... some form of relationship closure cutscene, if that makes sense. I just like epilogue cutscenes. 


After reading this, and also being the person who started this thread, can I just say two things?

1. Thank you...
2. Will you marry me?

#295
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Emzamination wrote...

MinttyMint wrote...

infraredman wrote...

Mel_Redux wrote...

I'm all for this angle, actually.  For me personally, a story's not good unless it punches me right in the feels.  Not the good feels, the bad feels.  Happy endings/stories do nothing for me.  But a story/ending that sends me through a range of emotions....rage anger despair woe happiness depression....that's a good story.  I think I might quite like a wedding that ends in death, murder, and betrayal.  AND WEIRD I'M A WOMAN AND WOULD RATHER HAVE BLOOD AND GORE THAN PUPPIES AND BUNNIES.

That's why I love you so much Bioware.  You never fail to punch me right in the feels.  You punch me real good.


In all seriuosness I wish your decisions could impact if a relationship turned out. Like not good/evil decisions --- subtle ones. I want to get cheated on or not get along with somone or go through a messy break-up or possibly have it all work it all on one game. A toxic relationship would be interesting, whose to say you don't deal with domestic violence or severe addiction? Bad relationships would be really interesting thing to explore and could have a serious impact on the player. (I'm not saying make a joke of these things, but to take them seriously and have them come up in unexpected ways.)

I agree, it would be nice (sort of) to be cheated on rather than be the cheater for once. And I love the idea of an abusive relationship between the villain (doesnt have to be a villain) and the hero... Id have given anything to romance Loghain in DA:O, Reaver in Fable, Butch in F3 or Vulpes in F:NV.


You must not be familiar with Jacob taylor.


No I wasnt, but oh Maker I need to get Mass Effect now... Reading on the wiki it actually sounds similar to the Gorim situation... The bastard.

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I'd like to have a wedding with my LI in DA3. Also dancing. One of the things I was really disappointed with in ME3 was that there wasn't some sort of formal ceremony you could have with you LI before going off to fight the final battle.

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YES! YES! YES!

That would be awesome.. If only :( 

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Upsettingshorts wrote…

Your history is dead wrong.

The peasants of the European Middle Ages were 99% Catholic Christians. Sexual relationships outside of marriage were a sin against God. This was an era when everyone, especially the peasants, took the concept of sin very seriously.

/historian


Could you elaborate on that? With respect, I've read in multiple historical sources that common-law marriages were actually very common in the Middle Ages, and were considered legally binding.

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