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[The Hierophant]

Lilaeth wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Lilaeth wrote...

 And I agree, he's surprisingly wonderful to romance.

That's to be expected. In general, Zevran is a very passionate character. He also reminds me alot of Antonio Banderas, given the style of voice-acting and that the way you pick him up is so reminiscent of Puss in Boots from Shrek 2.

Apparently he was developed with Puss in Boots in mind.  At least, so I read!  

It's nice to know i'm not the only one who noticed.

[Palipride47]

Lilaeth wrote...

@jillabender - you even get to pick from a range of wedding dresses! ;-))

On a more serious note, I did feel that the relationships in DA2 suffered badly in comparison to DAO, and yes, it would be nice to be able to talk to LIs and Companions at any time, not just when a quest demands it. As I write this, my ME2 playthrough is paused, and by chance it's a convo between Thane and my Fem Shep, and he's holding her hands as they speak. Little things like that enrich a game. And what if a big full monty wedding isn't to everyone's tastes? Lots of us don't like never ending killing and blood, yet we deal with it. The non-romantics could do the same with romance stuff - just ignore it in your game, and let those who want it play it in theirs.

THIS. THIS. THIS!!!

I saw it too with FemHawke and Bethany. Little things like hugs (after you spare her life when annuling the Circle) and other consoling things when she is upset about hiding (think the line was: "we will make this our home"). You would think you could add those little touches.

They were there in DAO, i.e. my city elf and Alistair talking about how they could reconcile the Blight or even him being king with any possibility of marrage or children. It seems like they tried to add that with side commentary from LI's during quests (mostly LI's getting jealous or annoyed when flirting occured). Anders had his own "star" quest if he lived in your house, but these were Skyrim shallow (you give him the key to the cellar, and maybe pick the option to sleep with him, cut to black, the end)

Especially when you read the codexes and read how your romances are progressing, why couldn't you have those kind of talks, whether it is Merrill dealing with losing her family, Fenris still in fight-or-flight mode and avoiding the "talk", Isabela...begin Isabela, or trying to stop Anders from losing himself, or dealing with the mood swings that his codex says he is having now (and are getting worse). 

These codexes added little tidbits that were more interesting to read than dealing with the people themeselves, and I would think to myself, "what a waste, you couldn't have brought that up in gameplay?"

I think those would add to the experience far, far more than a Skyrim wedding. Or doing this would reduce or eliminate the need to have such an event (in my mind, at least) 

This doesn't have to be limited to LI's, I think the conversations between Aveline and Hawke are the most rewarding, because you could see how much Aveline cared about Hawke (at least, when friendly) as family in dialogue.

I think these romances make Bioware unique among RPGs, so they SHOULD invest something in it. 

[zevranarainais]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

aetherwyn wrote...

Well, first of all...

[...]

And so, in the epilogue, I wouldn't mind a cutscene of a wedding. No early-on marriages, no babies or anything like that in the game itself -- I would just like a cuscene in the epilogue. That's all. And only if it's in-character for the LI and the PC to want to get married.

If both parties agree to it during a conversation during the game (sort of like with Zevran's earring, or post-Landsmeet Alistair), I don't see why the idea of a cutscene is receiving such negativity. It would tickle me pink. Or, to address the very valid point that RinjiRenee made earlier, "people in Thedas don't need marriage to symbolize their commitment," I wouldn't mind just... some form of relationship closure cutscene, if that makes sense. I just like epilogue cutscenes. 

After reading this, and also being the person who started this thread, can I just say two things?

1. Thank you...
2. Will you marry me?

Absolutely. We can have our own cutscene!
Also, the Zevran romance. Oh, man. So many feelings about the Zevran romance.  On the other hand, I wasn't a fan of the DA2 romances at all, because they felt quite shallow. Not being able to talk to my LIs whenever I wanted -- to truly get to know them firsthand -- made any romance feel... empty. 

Modifié par aetherwyn, 21 septembre 2012 - 09:06 .

[NKKKK]

Romance flags don't check anyways, what's the point?

[SirGladiator]

I really like some of the ideas in this thread. I would love the option for a wedding, or at least to have a proposal and say you're 'getting married'. Romance is so important, it makes any game better. Obviously it makes Skyrim and DD even better than they already are, even though they're hardly up to Bioware's standards of awesomely in-depth romances. Even simple romances can be awesome .

I also like the idea of being able to help pair up other people. I guess the closest thing to that in DA2 was when you could send the mage girl back to Bethany, and it talks about how 'close' they are and how appropriate it was that you were the one who saved her life, obviously its never explicitly stated that you got them together romanticly, but it feels that way, and its really cool. But if you have too few LIs, things could get tricky, like maybe I'd want to put Isabella and Merrill together, but suddenly there's nobody left for my Hawke, so that wouldn't work . So long as there's plenty of LIs to choose from, then I'd love that as an option. In ME3 theres like a zillion LIs, you could get Ashley with the reporter girl, Miranda with Jack, Liara with Samantha, and have Tali for yourself. Or get Tali together with Legion and steal the robot girl from Joker . More LIs, more options, weddings, declarations of love, touching romantic moments, the more the better, all of it makes any game SO much better.

[Aetheria]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

Aetheria wrote...
 I've already had to plan a real-life wedding once and have no desire to do it again in any form.

I agree with all the other points you made, so forgive me for picking this out. I think a few other people expressed this exact sentiment scattered throughout the thread. I just have to say that this really doesn't make any sense being that planning a wedding in real life is nothing like what would be in a video game. I just don't think being burnt out on your real life wedding is a valid reason to scrap a quest idea from a globally enjoyed video game...

...But as a friendly side note - congrats! (don't act like you're not KIND OF excited)

Well, if I can expand on that a bit - it's not so much the experience itself that I'm thinking of (although I did make it sound kind of like that) but the subject matter. Most of the things one can do in the DA games are based on things one can do in reality, even though the experience of swinging a battleaxe in a video game is very far removed from real combat and digging through branching conversation trees is a very thin approximation of speaking to a real person.

So the reason we want to play games that simulate those actions - combat, conversation, loot-hoarding - is less that we want to do them in real life than that we find those things to be interesting subjects, just as we find some subjects more interesting to read about than others. So, people who like the Dragon Age games probably think that swordfighting, magic, epic fantasy stories, and collecting boots with statistics are interesting topics and thus enjoy seeing them represented in games. For someone who doesn't find the topic of wedding planning interesting, wedding planning in a game probably won't be that interesting even though it wouldn't be the same experience as in real life.

As one of those people, I'm interested in in-game weddings more as elements in epic fantasy stories than as weddings for the sake of weddings (although let it be said that weddings for the sake of weddings are a perfectly reasonable thing to like and like to see in games). Thus I'd be happy to see that a plotline or a character arc included the protagonist getting married and played it for dramatic effect, but would say 'meh' to a game mechanic a la Fable that focused more on choosing options about how the wedding would look.

And thanks.   Being married is pretty cool, and even worth putting up with napkin-matching and shoe-shopping for! 

Modifié par Aetheria, 21 septembre 2012 - 11:24 .

[CuriousArtemis]

I think it would be cute And even if the character refuses for personal reasons, at least give the PC the chance to ask. I thought it was kind of a cop-out how Fenris never moved in with my Hawke's. At first I thought nothing of it, until I learned that Anders and Merrill move in with Hawke. I had to also read elsewhere the reason behind Fenris not moving in. Well, that's a conversation I wouldn't have minded having, you know. Instead I'm just left wondering why my douchebag Hawke never even ASKED the guy to trade his dead bodies and drafty broken windows for Hawke's comfy mansion.

[Mello]

You know what could happen? Bioware gives us a toolset and we can get one of our amazing modders to MAKE a wedding scene.

[chunkyman]

If weddings are added, I at least want to make them like the ones in A Storm Of Swords.

Modifié par chunkyman, 22 septembre 2012 - 04:14 .

[Iakus]

chunkyman wrote...

If weddings are added, I at least want to make them like the ones in A Storm Of Swords.

No:sick:

[Xilizhra]

iakus wrote...

chunkyman wrote...

If weddings are added, I at least want to make them like the ones in A Storm Of Swords.

No:sick:

You favor rivalmancing Merrill. You have absolutely zero grounds to judge other peoples' romantic preferences.

[ThePuppetWithNoStrings]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

Someone explain A Storm of Swords.

The third book of  the "A Song of Ice and Fire" series (HBO's Game of Thrones is an adaptation of these novels).
Without spoiling anything, in the third book there's something called a Red Wedding, and let's just say it doesn't end well.

[Iakus]

Xilizhra wrote...

iakus wrote...

chunkyman wrote...

If weddings are added, I at least want to make them like the ones in A Storm Of Swords.

No:sick:

You favor rivalmancing Merrill. You have absolutely zero grounds to judge other peoples' romantic preferences.

There is nothing romantic about the Red Wedding.  Trust me, we'd both agree on that 

[Xilizhra]

There's nothing romantic about heinously emotionally abusing Merrill either, but clearly some people enjoy that.

[Il Divo]

iakus wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

iakus wrote...

chunkyman wrote...

If weddings are added, I at least want to make them like the ones in A Storm Of Swords.

No:sick:

You favor rivalmancing Merrill. You have absolutely zero grounds to judge other peoples' romantic preferences.

There is nothing romantic about the Red Wedding.  Trust me, we'd both agree on that 

But with DA:O, wasn't one of your main points that the player should be able to have a variety of endings? For the sake of consistency, shouldn't this also relate to the "endings" of the different romances?

Not to say that I even like this idea, but it does seem odd given your position on DA:O offering a variety of endings options.

Modifié par Il Divo, 22 septembre 2012 - 06:25 .

[Iakus]

I see nothing here about "options". Only what Dragon Age weddings "should" be like

I don't know if you've read A Storm of Swords, but I can't see anyone actually wanting a wedding with their LI to go that way. But then, some people liked the ME3 endings so who knows?

The only way you should get a Red Wedding is if you thoroughly screw up by the numbers. A true ME 2 Suicide Mission run by FailShep

[Iakus]

Xilizhra wrote...

There's nothing romantic about heinously emotionally abusing Merrill either, but clearly some people enjoy that.

Not sure if serious...

[Cathrandir]

 yes i would really love to be able to marry in DA3:D