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[eggs on leggs]

I personally would like the option of having a wedding quest. Yes I am female but my husband (who also plays games) thinks this would be a nice idea too.

[Jerrybnsn]

thats1evildude wrote...

I attended a wedding in DAO. It ended when a nobleman showed up and carried off my bride and my cousin for a rape party.

It was a disaster.  The wrong cake got order.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

hhh89 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...


Furthermore, these 'romances' are just a cheap marketing ploy used by EA to attract female gamers who would otherwise play The Sims if the characters spoke a real language.

Romance were always present in Bioware's game though. And about the LI of the most recent Bioware games (ME2, ME3 and DA2), we have the LI like Isabela (big breast) Miranda (catsuit, high heels, asshots) Jack (nearly nude),  and Ashley (bigger boobs). While I know that those aren't the defining traits of those characters, they are created in a way to appeal the male gamers.

You're right, but they were always more subtle and a very minor part of the game. Think back to KOTOR and Jade Empire. But my point was that they want to find ways to appeal to female gamers. What better way to do that than through these romances?

Doesn't this thread and the (many) others talking about marriage and babies prove that this type of marketing has been successful?

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:21 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

You're right, but they were always more subtle and a very minor part of the game. Think back to KOTOR and Jade Empire. But my point was that they want to find ways to appeal to female gamers. What better way to do that than through these romances?

Doesn't this thread and the (many) others talking about marriage and babies prove that this type of marketing has been successful?

if bioware wanted to market to me, they'd include options to shoot sexist, entitiled, privleged dude bros who make generalizations about my gender because they're insecure in their masculinity in the face.  just sayin'.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:24 .

[Emzamination]

Il Divo wrote...


Hence why I said "more like dating simulators". It's amazing how the comparative degree works, isn't it? 

As in: Bioware games aren't dating simulators, but I don't want them to become increasingly like dating simulators through more love interests, marriage, babies etc. This seems beyond your intellect, for some reason.

See the thing you're not getting is you've shown me no exclusive dating sim features to back up your claim that it's moving in that direction at all.That seems to be what  your intellect is failing to comprehend.

Love interest - Not dating sim exclusive, Rpgs have been following the whole white knight save the damsel in distress and ride off into the sun set since the dawn of gaming.

Marriage - See fable (Rpg)

Babies - Where did you get this?

Goal of marriage Is marriage a goal to complete any bioware game? Nah bruh, it's you who is arguing semantics, quite poorly I might add.You're looking for any similarities, not exclusive ones.

See above. That dating simulators can (and have) had an emphasis on marriage is the relevant point to why it might feel like a dating simulator. As I said, you're arguing semantics. If the point is that important to you, fine, marriage isn't a dating simulator mechanic.

Marriage would still suck as a game mechanic or questline. Do you feel better yet? 

Just because it can have a emphasis on marriage does not make it a feature exclusive to dating sims.Like I said, your looking for any type of similarity to back your stance.Every feature you've mentioned has been used in different genres.And with that logic, I could just as easily say I don't want romances moving towards action titles (prince of persia)

Modifié par Emzamination, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:30 .

[Battlebloodmage]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

I attended a wedding in DAO. It ended when a nobleman showed up and carried off my bride and my cousin for a rape party.

It was a disaster.  The wrong cake got order.

There wasn't even a wedding reception.

[Melca36]

Tasmen wrote...

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

Well, whatever. This thread got real stupid, real fast. I just thought it'd be a fun quest option (wedding quest), should a player choose it. And if they don't want it, they didn't have to choose it at all.

I love how I'm constantly reminded that gaming is still a boy's club and anything that might appeal to women (but apparently doesn't appeal to men - yeah right) is just pointless. I'm so sorry that women have interests too, as well as lesbians, and gay men, and straight men, and bisexual people, transgender, those of ambiguous gender and orientation, and so on and so forth. Each of these people have access to money, gaming consoles, and your local Gamestop. Their tastes are going to be varied. 

But - oh - the boy's club. That's right. For they have spoken!

People are so offended over this tiny suggestion of a wedding quest. Sad.

I'm bowing out, which is really disappointing since I created the thread to begin with....

Uhhh... Lady here and I don't particularly want a wedding and I especially do not want kids in the game.  Those are my woman disinterests.

Just because we both have vaginas, don't think you speak for me or our whole sex please.

I will never understand why some women want some of those things in games.

Games are meant as an escape.  

As long as I can have romances in the game, I don't need a marriage or babies to be fufilled.

[Jerrybnsn]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...


Furthermore, these 'romances' are just a cheap marketing ploy used by EA to attract female gamers who would otherwise play The Sims if the characters spoke a real language.

Wow! Sexism, much? I have a large group of male friends who are wholeheartedly driven by the romances in ME and Dragon Age. Yeah, only women are into that, huh? And since women like it, it must be a marketing ploy, rather than a new avenue of gaming. Anything women are interested in is bunk and stupid, right? Jeez.

I like the romances.   And I was really blown away with the wedding mod that was done.  My female elf rogue feels sad being a mistress now.  Too bad I couldn't get Morrigan a proper wedding with my male Warden, she came up with the rings and all, but she refused to have a proper Chantry wedding.

[Little Princess Peach]

I would love a wedding in DA the groom could look for the ring as a side quest, or hire a carrage to get to the wedding on time but then you're stopped by either templars or mages.

[Melca36]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...


Furthermore, these 'romances' are just a cheap marketing ploy used by EA to attract female gamers who would otherwise play The Sims if the characters spoke a real language.

Romance were always present in Bioware's game though. And about the LI of the most recent Bioware games (ME2, ME3 and DA2), we have the LI like Isabela (big breast) Miranda (catsuit, high heels, asshots) Jack (nearly nude),  and Ashley (bigger boobs). While I know that those aren't the defining traits of those characters, they are created in a way to appeal the male gamers.

You're right, but they were always more subtle and a very minor part of the game. Think back to KOTOR and Jade Empire. But my point was that they want to find ways to appeal to female gamers. What better way to do that than through these romances?

Doesn't this thread and the (many) others talking about marriage and babies prove that this type of marketing has been successful?

Its 2012 not 1997. 47% of gamers are women. I suggest you learn to DEAL WITH IT! We're not going away.

[Emzamination]

Rockpopple wrote...

You know, Dragon Age isn't a game like Skyrim which is just a glorified sim. There's a tight story and things happen relatively fast. I doubt that in a time when revolutions and wars and inquisitions are tearing Thedas apart, there's time to pick out some bloody dresses, get a hall together to get the nuptuals going.

I mean seriously, you're deluding yourself if you think there'll be some grand wedding in the middle of the game in the vein of that Alistair mod. Something like that should and probably would be saved until AFTER the quest is finished, in the form of an ending or epilogue or something.

... however, if you want to get gritty or real, a less glamorous wedding in the middle of the action would make sense. Get a teammate or local to officiate, have only companions and a couple npcs available for the most raggedy of raggedy weddings. It'd be about as glamorous as a wedding officiated by a Captain of a ship in the middle of the sea, but it'd still be a wedding.

That I can wrap my head around without thinking, "wtf is this sh!t".

EDIT: I'm not even gonna touch the "kids" part of this whole thing except to stay, definitely save that for the end.

I read the thread for you - Link

[upsettingshorts]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

I like the romances.   And I was really blown away with the wedding mod that was done.  My female elf rogue feels sad being a mistress now.  Too bad I couldn't get Morrigan a proper wedding with my male Warden, she came up with the rings and all, but she refused to have a proper Chantry wedding.

Good god man, did you even speak to Morrigan?

[Battlebloodmage]

Melca36 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...


Furthermore, these 'romances' are just a cheap marketing ploy used by EA to attract female gamers who would otherwise play The Sims if the characters spoke a real language.

Romance were always present in Bioware's game though. And about the LI of the most recent Bioware games (ME2, ME3 and DA2), we have the LI like Isabela (big breast) Miranda (catsuit, high heels, asshots) Jack (nearly nude),  and Ashley (bigger boobs). While I know that those aren't the defining traits of those characters, they are created in a way to appeal the male gamers.

You're right, but they were always more subtle and a very minor part of the game. Think back to KOTOR and Jade Empire. But my point was that they want to find ways to appeal to female gamers. What better way to do that than through these romances?

Doesn't this thread and the (many) others talking about marriage and babies prove that this type of marketing has been successful?

Its 2012 not 1997. 47% of gamers are women. I suggest you learn to DEAL WITH IT! We're not going away.

You guys are not gonna sing "I am woman" and march down the street, are you?

lol, I kid, I kid.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

I like the romances.   And I was really blown away with the wedding mod that was done.  My female elf rogue feels sad being a mistress now.  Too bad I couldn't get Morrigan a proper wedding with my male Warden, she came up with the rings and all, but she refused to have a proper Chantry wedding.

Good god man, did you even speak to Morrigan?

Using the gift system, you hardly have to.

[SafetyShattered]

I love these ideas. You got my vote.

Modifié par Shadowfang12, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:32 .

[Melca36]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...


Furthermore, these 'romances' are just a cheap marketing ploy used by EA to attract female gamers who would otherwise play The Sims if the characters spoke a real language.

Romance were always present in Bioware's game though. And about the LI of the most recent Bioware games (ME2, ME3 and DA2), we have the LI like Isabela (big breast) Miranda (catsuit, high heels, asshots) Jack (nearly nude),  and Ashley (bigger boobs). While I know that those aren't the defining traits of those characters, they are created in a way to appeal the male gamers.

You're right, but they were always more subtle and a very minor part of the game. Think back to KOTOR and Jade Empire. But my point was that they want to find ways to appeal to female gamers. What better way to do that than through these romances?

Doesn't this thread and the (many) others talking about marriage and babies prove that this type of marketing has been successful?

Its 2012 not 1997. 47% of gamers are women. I suggest you learn to DEAL WITH IT! We're not going away.

You guys are not gonna sing "I am woman" and march down the street, are you?

lol, I kid, I kid.

No.  


And yes that was funny.

[The Hierophant]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

I like the romances.   And I was really blown away with the wedding mod that was done.  My female elf rogue feels sad being a mistress now.  Too bad I couldn't get Morrigan a proper wedding with my male Warden, she came up with the rings and all, but she refused to have a proper Chantry wedding.

Good god man, did you even speak to Morrigan?

Using the gift system, you hardly have to.

lulz...

[lv12medic]

If Bioware includes a wedding as part of the game I'll guarantee that it'll be a big set up for some giant disaster/attack/betrayal. They have to make sure their Tears of Despair ™ storage tanks stay full.

[syllogi]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...


Furthermore, these 'romances' are just a cheap marketing ploy used by EA to attract female gamers who would otherwise play The Sims if the characters spoke a real language.

Romance were always present in Bioware's game though. And about the LI of the most recent Bioware games (ME2, ME3 and DA2), we have the LI like Isabela (big breast) Miranda (catsuit, high heels, asshots) Jack (nearly nude),  and Ashley (bigger boobs). While I know that those aren't the defining traits of those characters, they are created in a way to appeal the male gamers.

You're right, but they were always more subtle and a very minor part of the game. Think back to KOTOR and Jade Empire. But my point was that they want to find ways to appeal to female gamers. What better way to do that than through these romances?

Doesn't this thread and the (many) others talking about marriage and babies prove that this type of marketing has been successful?

I can't speak about who wants marriage in games more, but what is up with all the dudes who post threads about wanting to impregnate Tali or whomever their favored LI is?  Because I don't ever recall a thread begining with asking for their female player character to be knocked up.  In fact, I would say female gamers are probably far more likely to NOT want babies in their escapism.

An optional wedding at the END of the game would be okay, as long as I can have it with my same sex love interest too.  That, in my opinion, would be an enhancement to the way endings have been handled lately.

[The Hierophant]

lv12medic wrote...

If Bioware includes a wedding as part of the game I'll guarantee that it'll be a big set up for some giant disaster/attack/betrayal. They have to make sure their Tears of Despair ™ storage tanks stay full.

Betrayal as in Red Wedding? Jacob shacking up with the doctor chick even if he's in a romance with Shep? Or it's a combination of the both, If it's the latter then i'll have my drink, and popcorn at the ready.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Melca36 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...


Furthermore, these 'romances' are just a cheap marketing ploy used by EA to attract female gamers who would otherwise play The Sims if the characters spoke a real language.

Romance were always present in Bioware's game though. And about the LI of the most recent Bioware games (ME2, ME3 and DA2), we have the LI like Isabela (big breast) Miranda (catsuit, high heels, asshots) Jack (nearly nude),  and Ashley (bigger boobs). While I know that those aren't the defining traits of those characters, they are created in a way to appeal the male gamers.

You're right, but they were always more subtle and a very minor part of the game. Think back to KOTOR and Jade Empire. But my point was that they want to find ways to appeal to female gamers. What better way to do that than through these romances?

Doesn't this thread and the (many) others talking about marriage and babies prove that this type of marketing has been successful?

Its 2012 not 1997. 47% of gamers are women. I suggest you learn to DEAL WITH IT! We're not going away.

My point was about the marketing and how they use it to attract women who would normally not bother with something like Dragon Age.

[Maclimes]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

You know, does anyone really know the literal definition of Romantic? Do you know what it means? Do you realize how perfectly the concept of Romance fits into games like Dragon Age, as well as similar avenues of entertainment?

Romance is a novel or other prose narrative depicting heroic or marvelous deeds, pageantry, exploits, etc., usually in a historical or imaginary setting. Romance is heroic literature. To be Romantic means to be adventurous, to travel, to GO ON QUESTS. 

Think of Cervantes' Don Quixote, or Alexander the Great, King Arthur, Beowulf... hell the list goes on. 

Romance belongs in Dragon Age, if adventure, pageantry, and exploits are what the developers are going for. And yeah, it's wrapped up in intrigue, character interaction, and love/lust. 

Think of the little boy listening to his grandfather read the Princess Bride.

"Is this a kissing book?"

Romanticism plays a huge role in baseless, made-up stories that are depicted by heroic, fantastic, or supernatural events, often in the form of allegory. To omit it is to create a world that is lopsided.

So, I don't see how romances in DA are fluff, nor a marketing ploy (any more or less than blood and guts are marketing ploys), nor pointless. They're actually, quite literally (by textbook definition), appropriate.

And furthermore, for everyone who has their panties in a tangle over a wedding option - I SAID IT WAS AN OPTION. You know, like, you also have the option to not do it.

Well said. Like I mentioned, I think romance (in the more commonly used "kissing book" sense) is an important part of characters development and heroic tales. However, as you say, it's optional. You don't want that? Fine. Don't play it.

Side Note: I'm noting an increase in the ratio of reasonable posters to crazy people. Is BSN more mature, or are the mods just more actively cracking down on the DA3 board?