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[Rinji the Bearded]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
My point was about the marketing and how they use it to attract women who would normally not bother with something like Dragon Age.

Why, pray tell?  :| Please.   Enlighten us.

This is assuming that they market romances for a female audience, which is false anyway.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:46 .

[erilben]

syllogi wrote...

An optional wedding at the END of the game would be okay, as long as I can have it with my same sex love interest too.  That, in my opinion, would be an enhancement to the way endings have been handled lately.

that is part of why it probably won't happen. there are no same sex marriages in Thedas. http://www.gamebansh...m-activity.html

[Emzamination]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...


My point was about the marketing and how they use it to attract women who would normally not bother with something like Dragon Age.

Dictating what women generally like and what we would and would not bother with is not attempting to put us in a certain place at all.

Modifié par Emzamination, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:48 .

[Plaintiff]

The Hierophant wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

I like the romances.   And I was really blown away with the wedding mod that was done.  My female elf rogue feels sad being a mistress now.  Too bad I couldn't get Morrigan a proper wedding with my male Warden, she came up with the rings and all, but she refused to have a proper Chantry wedding.

Good god man, did you even speak to Morrigan?

Using the gift system, you hardly have to.

lulz...

Who can resist a pair of soiled pants?

[ejoslin]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Maclimes wrote...

I'd like the option to connect two potential LIs to each other. For example, instead of wooing Alistair or Leliana, you could help them find each other. (Sort of like Aveline and Donnic, if both were also potentially romanceable companions).

Out of all the stupid romance bull**** on this forum, this is actually a pretty good idea. At least it would allow the player to become more involved without actually becoming involved.

It's not stupid, you're just bias.

The way people go on and on about it is stupid. Marriage and having babies? It's ****ing ridiculous. It's supposed to be a video game, not a life simulator. 

Furthermore, these 'romances' are just a cheap marketing ploy used by EA to attract female gamers who would otherwise play The Sims if the characters spoke a real language.

Why would EA want to take gamers away from the Sims?  EA owns the Sims, and they probably make the most money from that franchise given that the Sims Store seems to be a very popular place.

Some people think that romance adds to a story.  I certainly do.  Most great literature has love and romance, at least as a sub plot.  It gives the characters more depth.

edit: Besides, what is wrong with appealing to female gamers?  Our money spends just as well as yours, and there are an awful lot of us.  However, I know plenty of male gamers who enjoy in-game romances as well.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:58 .

[upsettingshorts]

ejoslin wrote...

Some people think that romance adds to a story.  I certainly do.  Most great literature has love and romance, at least as a sub plot.  It gives the characters more depth.

Even the Aubrey-Maturin series has romance.  The covers look like this:



Draw whatever conclusions you want from these facts.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:58 .

[MagmaSaiyan]

i always thought TOR surprisingly did this well(might be the only one), had marriage off screen and talk about kids(a little tidbits about the relationship), however i would love DA to flesh out these scenes better, with of course choices to marry or not or whether or not to have kids, but i could see this being alot of development time just on different outcomes

Edit: i think marriage should be at the end(if companion and world makes sense) and engagement can happen at a certain point in the game

Modifié par MagmaSaiyan, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:10 .

[Il Divo]

Emzamination wrote...

Just because it can have a emphasis on marriage does not make it a feature exclusive to dating sims.Like I said, your looking for any type of similarity to back your stance.Every feature you've mentioned has been used in different genres.And with that logic, I could just as easily say I don't want romances moving towards action titles (prince of persia)

 I could ask that a director implement car chases into a romantic comedy. And someone could tell me "no, I don't want elements of action films in my romantic comedies". I would probably tell them "okay" rather than freak out and attempt to make some blanket statement about not every action film requiring car chases to be an action film. You could (for example) find stats and leveling up in most any genre you wanted (FPS, tps, sports, racing, etc). I'd still consider that particular element to be representative of the RPG genre. I would say "Oh, game X has RPG elements".

Hence why I find your responses funny, since they're so obsessed with attacking the dating simulator comment, which wasn't even the important aspect of my post: the dislike of romance in Bioware games. I do not believe a wedding to be a necessary part of a dating simulator. I do however consider anything which builds towards an emphasis on finding a partner, wooing a partner, or otherwise focusing on romantic relationships to be something similar in focus to a dating simulator. Bioware games have had (increasing) elements of this than in the past, even if I wouldn't say that Bioware games are dating simulators. Again, the comparative degree of adjective is an important aspect of grammar to know.
 
"Bioware games are more like dating simulators" is not even remotely "Bioware games are dating simulators".

Modifié par Il Divo, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:16 .

[Il Divo]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

And furthermore, for everyone who has their panties in a tangle over a wedding option - I SAID IT WAS AN OPTION. You know, like, you also have the option to not do it.

Not to belabor a point, but being optional doesn't really alter the issue. Sure, it's good in that a wedding wouldn't actively detract from my enjoyment. But when you consider the long term, that any resources could be used to something you want, at best it's resources which you don't see back in any form. If those wedding resources could instead go to more party dialogue or a side quest similar to Jade Empire's Imperial Arena (for example), there's no reason to support such a feature for anyone uninterested.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Depends on the character. I don't think every character would like to get married. Some would, some won't.

[MelRedux]

lv12medic wrote...

If Bioware includes a wedding as part of the game I'll guarantee that it'll be a big set up for some giant disaster/attack/betrayal. They have to make sure their Tears of Despair ™ storage tanks stay full.

I'm all for this angle, actually.  For me personally, a story's not good unless it punches me right in the feels.  Not the good feels, the bad feels.  Happy endings/stories do nothing for me.  But a story/ending that sends me through a range of emotions....rage anger despair woe happiness depression....that's a good story.  I think I might quite like a wedding that ends in death, murder, and betrayal.  AND WEIRD I'M A WOMAN AND WOULD RATHER HAVE BLOOD AND GORE THAN PUPPIES AND BUNNIES.

That's why I love you so much Bioware.  You never fail to punch me right in the feels.  You punch me real good.

[Tasmen]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

lol.

I kind of hope Bioware devs read this thread and say, "To hell with it!" and throw in a "Get Married" optional side quest just to rub some people the wrong way who pick on female gamers (for some weird reason), and insist weddings etc. are fluffy, marketing ploys for women only. I also hope they work in some sarcastic character banter about men, women, and romance. 

If there is a 'get married' optional side quest thrown into the game, it will be more a Red Wedding style quest than a 'happily ever after' and it won't be the tears of people picking on female gamers the writers will be feasting upon.

[kingjezza]

Bioware need to take the Skyrim approach to relationships, cold, soulless and straight to the point.

This obsession with relationships and in game smoochiness in general is getting out of control.

[Il Divo]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

Ahh so the inability to share a bit of resources is what drives people to object. Mmmk.

(lol. "It's mine! All mine!")

Well, you know how it starts, I make an exception for you, then I make an exception for the next person who wants the Arcane Warrior back in its original incarnation, so on and so forth. Seems a rough time choosing what features I wouldn't want in the next game, but am willing to share with.

But I'm not hypocritical; I don't expect other people to support what I want just because I want it. I argue what I want, you argue what you want, Bioware decides the rest or ignores us completely.

Modifié par Il Divo, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:32 .

[The Hierophant]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

And furthermore, for everyone who has their panties in a tangle over a wedding option - I SAID IT WAS AN OPTION. You know, like, you also have the option to not do it.

Not to belabor a point, but being optional doesn't really alter the issue. Sure, it's good in that a wedding wouldn't actively detract from my enjoyment. But when you consider the long term, that any resources could be used to something you want, at best it's resources which you don't see back in any form. If those wedding resources could instead go to more party dialogue or a side quest similar to Jade Empire's Imperial Arena (for example), there's no reason to support such a feature for anyone uninterested.

Ahh so the inability to share a bit of resources is what drives people to object. Mmmk.

(lol. "It's mine! All mine!")

Bioware doesn't have infinite resources or time when developing a game.(E.g. Dragon Age 2 or Mass Effect 3 to a lesser degree.)

[MelRedux]

Tasmen wrote...

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

lol.

I kind of hope Bioware devs read this thread and say, "To hell with it!" and throw in a "Get Married" optional side quest just to rub some people the wrong way who pick on female gamers (for some weird reason), and insist weddings etc. are fluffy, marketing ploys for women only. I also hope they work in some sarcastic character banter about men, women, and romance. 

If there is a 'get married' optional side quest thrown into the game, it will be more a Red Wedding style quest than a 'happily ever after' and it won't be the tears of people picking on female gamers the writers will be feasting upon.

I like the way you think...