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[Recidiva]

robertthebard wrote...

This is kinda funny, in a WTF kinda way, but when I saw those screenshots, I wanted to punch my monitor.

I opted for the palm-itching slap reflex.

I don't like Cailan.  I certainly wouldn't want Alistair to look like him.  It freaks me out just to have to talk to the dude.

[Xandurpein]

That is really NOTHING compared to what some people are doing to Morrigan and Leliana. I mean seriously. Both are hot as it is, and now some weirdo want to turn Morrigan into some teen Pamela Andersson abomination. *shudders*

I'm seriously not going to even look at another morph of a female NPC again, to save my eyesight.

Modifié par Xandurpein, 29 décembre 2009 - 08:06 .

[Kohaku]

Xandurpein wrote...

That is really NOTHING compared to what some people are doing to Morrigan and Leliana. I mean seriously. Both are hot as it is, and now some weirdo want to turn Morrigan into some teen Pamela Andersson abomination. *shudders*

I'm seriously not going to even look at another morph of a female NPC again, to save my eyesight.

Wait? What? ~Searching the Nexus~

[Sabriana]

They do look alike, but they most certainly act alike. Two little boys playing the glory game. I don't see much difference in Cailan seeing it as all 'Glory' and Alistair not getting the whole Grey Warden bit as the down and dirty thing. Both think of the whole Blight/Grey Warden issue as it being a matter of glory, honor, whathaveyou.



Cailan and Alistair are quite the same. Cailan dies for his star-struck fancies, but Alistair fails when it comes down to the hard choices. The ones that don't involve myths and fairytales ot honor and glory and legends.

[Xandurpein]

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

That is really NOTHING compared to what some people are doing to Morrigan and Leliana. I mean seriously. Both are hot as it is, and now some weirdo want to turn Morrigan into some teen Pamela Andersson abomination. *shudders*

I'm seriously not going to even look at another morph of a female NPC again, to save my eyesight.

Wait? What? ~Searching the Nexus~

Well... this is the most horrid example I have found, but I'm sure there are others equally bad

www.dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php

[Xandurpein]

Sabriana wrote...

They do look alike, but they most certainly act alike. Two little boys playing the glory game. I don't see much difference in Cailan seeing it as all 'Glory' and Alistair not getting the whole Grey Warden bit as the down and dirty thing. Both think of the whole Blight/Grey Warden issue as it being a matter of glory, honor, whathaveyou.

Cailan and Alistair are quite the same. Cailan dies for his star-struck fancies, but Alistair fails when it comes down to the hard choices. The ones that don't involve myths and fairytales ot honor and glory and legends.

To be fair, Cailan and Alistair ARE different, even if they are both as juvenile. Cailan is much more self-confident than Alistair, even to the point of being totally reckless. Maybe Cailan is what Alistair could have been, if he hadn't grown up without a father.

[Kohaku]

Xandurpein wrote...

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

That is really NOTHING compared to what some people are doing to Morrigan and Leliana. I mean seriously. Both are hot as it is, and now some weirdo want to turn Morrigan into some teen Pamela Andersson abomination. *shudders*

I'm seriously not going to even look at another morph of a female NPC again, to save my eyesight.

Wait? What? ~Searching the Nexus~

Well... this is the most horrid example I have found, but I'm sure there are others equally bad

www.dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php

I can't help but think I've seen this face before. Maybe one of the DOA girls? I love DOA mind you...

[robertthebard]

Xandurpein wrote...

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

That is really NOTHING compared to what some people are doing to Morrigan and Leliana. I mean seriously. Both are hot as it is, and now some weirdo want to turn Morrigan into some teen Pamela Andersson abomination. *shudders*

I'm seriously not going to even look at another morph of a female NPC again, to save my eyesight.

Wait? What? ~Searching the Nexus~

Well... this is the most horrid example I have found, but I'm sure there are others equally bad

www.dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php

That was pretty horrid.  I'd comment to that affect over there, but I don't want to register just to be banned.

[Herr Uhl]

Xandurpein wrote...
Well... this is the most horrid example I have found, but I'm sure there are others equally bad

www.dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php

She looks kind of like a smurf 

[bobsmyuncle]

Xandurpein wrote...

Well... this is the most horrid example I have found, but I'm sure there are others equally bad

www.dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php

Uh, wow. She looks like a bad MTF transition in that picture.

Have you looked at Project Beauty on the nexus? I actually like most of the changes that guy is making. Except Sten. Sten does not need to be prettified, it is against the Qun.

[tmp7704]

robertthebard wrote...

You mean like City Elf Origin?  You know, conscripted to save your life from your "crime" of killing the Arl's son for either kidnapping you(female) or your fiance(male), raping your cousin Shianni, and killing one of your friends?

No, very unlike the city elf who actually does have family and friends through her entire life. In fact, this family and the home she saw the Alienage to be were the major reasons why my city elf stuck with being Grey Warden after Ostagar -- because all she wanted was to be able to return home, but someone had to ensure there's still home to return to, with that family which she knew cared for her.

All of the origins in fact have something they can call their home, a family or close-knit groups, things worth protecting and things which have given the player's character the knowledge what it is like to be loved, cared about and/or at least listened to. Even the ones who lose most of it like the nobles still have their subjects, the people who have sworn their allegiance to them expecting protection in hard times.

Regarding the strawman that you created, see the post I linked to in my response.  You said that, I didn't.  I just pointed out the fallacy of what you said.

I know what you linked, it was my own post after all. You simply failed to understand my point and so your strawman was to attribute to me what you thought i said, while what i actually said was concerning something entirely different.

To help you: it had nothing to do with official act of adoption as it works in our culture. It was strictly about your arrogance to make calls if Alistair could or couldn't possibly feel as strong about his loss of "adopted father figure" (your words) as the human noble could feel about loss of their own family. Based on nothing else but the existence of blood bond or lack thereof. Because, to help you further, going this route you basically claim that no person can love another person not related to them by blood as strong as the relatives can feel for one another. And if you cannot see what's possibly wrong with a claim like that, then it's beyond help.

Modifié par tmp7704, 29 décembre 2009 - 08:52 .

[Kohaku]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...
Well... this is the most horrid example I have found, but I'm sure there are others equally bad

www.dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php

She looks kind of like a smurf 

It's killing me that I can't remember where I saw that face. I was just playing something this weekend that looked like that.

[Kohaku]

bobsmyuncle wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

Well... this is the most horrid example I have found, but I'm sure there are others equally bad

www.dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php

Uh, wow. She looks like a bad MTF transition in that picture.

Have you looked at Project Beauty on the nexus? I actually like most of the changes that guy is making. Except Sten. Sten does not need to be prettified, it is against the Qun.

Checking that out now.

[UltraBoy360]

I look at it this way: if things had worked out differently at Howe's estate, how would Human Noble character's feel if Riordan and King Alistair had insisted to the Human Noble PC that he/she work alongside new Grey Warden Rendon Howe to defeat the Blight. Mine would have told them to **** off and I bet 90% of HN players would have done the same, including all the one's here who think Alistair did such a bad thing.



To be honest, I had not idea this choice existed until I read the boards. I chose Alistair to fight the duel and he kills him automatically. Seemed fair and logical to let him fight for the crown.

[Wrathra]

Xandurpein wrote...

Well... this is the most horrid example I have found, but I'm sure there are others equally bad

www.dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php

Ugh.  That IS horrid.

[robertthebard]

UltraBoy360 wrote...

I look at it this way: if things had worked out differently at Howe's estate, how would Human Noble character's feel if Riordan and King Alistair had insisted to the Human Noble PC that he/she work alongside new Grey Warden Rendon Howe to defeat the Blight. Mine would have told them to **** off and I bet 90% of HN players would have done the same, including all the one's here who think Alistair did such a bad thing.

To be honest, I had not idea this choice existed until I read the boards. I chose Alistair to fight the duel and he kills him automatically. Seemed fair and logical to let him fight for the crown.

You'd lose, especially where I'm concerned, and this just came up, again, about 2 pages back, maybe three.  I'd hate it, and I'd cuss, but since my father told me to go out and make my mark on the world, I'd do it by killing the Archdemon sans ritual because of how dirty I felt.  That's the definition of duty, it is not "I don't like what that guy did, and I'm going to take your toys and go get drunk".

[Recidiva]

UltraBoy360 wrote...

I look at it this way: if things had worked out differently at Howe's estate, how would Human Noble character's feel if Riordan and King Alistair had insisted to the Human Noble PC that he/she work alongside new Grey Warden Rendon Howe to defeat the Blight. Mine would have told them to **** off and I bet 90% of HN players would have done the same, including all the one's here who think Alistair did such a bad thing.

To be honest, I had not idea this choice existed until I read the boards. I chose Alistair to fight the duel and he kills him automatically. Seemed fair and logical to let him fight for the crown.

This isn't true for my Noble.  My noble is very lawful and dutybound.  My character wanted Howe to come to justice, but would prefer that there was an impartial judge to hand him over to so that I didn't have to dirty my hands with his blood.

However, if there was an option to force Howe into the Joining and then feed him to a dragon, I'd have leaped at it.  Especially since it saves another Grey Warden's life in the process.

I think feeding Loghain to the Archdemon is not redemption, it is not glory.  It is the worst death sentence I can contrive.  It also has strategic value in the sense that it spares other, more valuable lives.  Therefore I'd doubly be fine doing it to Howe.

I reject the notion that it's trusting him or working beside him.  It's handing down a particularly cruel death sentence.

[kormesios]

Recidiva wrote...
I reject the notion that it's trusting him or working beside him.  It's handing down a particularly cruel death sentence.

There's no way to force him to take the last blow, and you can't keep tabs on him during the battle by any real world measure.  If he's in your party, you're trusting him.  Sorry.

And there's nothing particularly cruel in-game about that sort of death.  It is, however, quite glorious--save Ferelden, get statues in your honor?  Pretty much the definition of glory.

[jennamarae]

bobsmyuncle wrote...

Here's a comparison of their faces side by side:

I have to say I do think Alistair came out ahead in that particular genetic crapshoot. He is much prettier than Cailan

Oh wow.. I never realized exactly how much they look alike. But at least now I understand why Cailan looked so much cuter the second time I played through than he did the first time.

[Recidiva]

kormesios wrote...

There's no way to force him to take the last blow, and you can't keep tabs on him during the battle by any real world measure.  If he's in your party, you're trusting him.  Sorry.

And there's nothing particularly cruel in-game about that sort of death.  It is, however, quite glorious--save Ferelden, get statues in your honor?  Pretty much the definition of glory.

Actually if I set dog on "Kill him if he makes a move" then I don't worry.  I also don't have to think anyone else's opinion matters.  Which is why I'm so annoyed with Alistair.  Because the game didn't give me a chance to explain how I see it.

He can have as many people who want him to be an unblemished hero and as many statues as he wants.  As long as he's dead.

[Xandurpein]

robertthebard wrote...

UltraBoy360 wrote...

I look at it this way: if things had worked out differently at Howe's estate, how would Human Noble character's feel if Riordan and King Alistair had insisted to the Human Noble PC that he/she work alongside new Grey Warden Rendon Howe to defeat the Blight. Mine would have told them to **** off and I bet 90% of HN players would have done the same, including all the one's here who think Alistair did such a bad thing.

To be honest, I had not idea this choice existed until I read the boards. I chose Alistair to fight the duel and he kills him automatically. Seemed fair and logical to let him fight for the crown.

You'd lose, especially where I'm concerned, and this just came up, again, about 2 pages back, maybe three.  I'd hate it, and I'd cuss, but since my father told me to go out and make my mark on the world, I'd do it by killing the Archdemon sans ritual because of how dirty I felt.  That's the definition of duty, it is not "I don't like what that guy did, and I'm going to take your toys and go get drunk".

I can't vouch for anyone but myself, but I am not the kind of hypocrite who demands other things from other than from myself. My first play I was human noble and I would damn well have taken Howe with me to kill the Archdemon if I for a second thought it would increase the chance to save every human being in Ferelden from annihilation. I would insist on having Howe killable on post-coronation, but I anything that stops us from ending the Blight is number one.

Granted what I said above, the whole reasoning is of course hogwash. What my character does is of no concern. I ROLEPLAY and that means different characters have different motives and morals. Even if I roleplay a real bastard who is evil, I - the real me - can still argue that what Alistair did was wrong. The argument is only valid if I claim that is morally wrong for Alistair to leave, but morally right for a character to drop out if someone lets Howe become a Grey Warden. I have seen no one here argue this, so what is your point?

I can understand the character Alistair. I can identify with his anguish and his grief. I can sympathize with the fact that he gets pushed into a corner where he is to weak to do the right choice. But, the bottom line is that his choice to leave the Grey Wardens is still WRONG. Just because it's understandable doesn't make it right. 

I believe that it is morally wrong, even if it's in some way understandable, for Alistair to leave the Grey Wardens and when Alistair makes an ultimatum of it, the game has not adequatly prepared you to anticipate his tantrum. You cannot argue that Alistairs dropping out is right, just becuase he is under a lot of presure. That is mitigating circumstances that can explain his actions, but it doesn't make them right.

I also think that a lot of people who really like Alistair  want to have it both ways. On the one hand he is pushed into a corner and it's only human for him to drop out, on the other hand he is the most concientous and morally upstanding guy you can have for King. If you really think he's just a poor guy who snaps under too much strain, but is a nice bloke the rest of the time, then let him be happy with his Grey Wardens, or let him die happily as a hero, and let Anora do the ruling.

Modifié par Xandurpein, 29 décembre 2009 - 11:14 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Xandurpein wrote...

Well... this is the most horrid example I have found, but I'm sure there are others equally bad

www.dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php

Urgh... I think am going to hurl, the sick individual that thinks that morph is attractive that they made a mod for it needs a brain transplant... or should that be implant seeing as it seems they don't have one?

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 29 décembre 2009 - 11:14 .

[arntson]

you spared the guy who killed his brother killed his dad(duncan) thats grounds for him to lop off your head

[Xandurpein]

arntson wrote...

you spared the guy who killed his brother killed his dad(duncan) thats grounds for him to lop off your head

Well... he can send all the Antivan Crowes after me if he wants, as long as he does it AFTER the Archdemon is dead. The Grey Wardens is about stopping the Blight - stopping the End of the World! Just how many peoples lives is it OK to jeopardize in the name of personal vendetta?

[arntson]

Xandurpein wrote...

arntson wrote...

you spared the guy who killed his brother killed his dad(duncan) thats grounds for him to lop off your head

Well... he can send all the Antivan Crowes after me if he wants, as long as he does it AFTER the Archdemon is dead. The Grey Wardens is about stopping the Blight - stopping the End of the World! Just how many peoples lives is it OK to jeopardize in the name of personal vendetta?

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