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[thats1evildude]

TheWout wrote...

No, he's saying i am coming up with all kinds of reasoning to hide i would be "uncomfortable"

I find THAT offensive.

You're trying a little too hard to be offended here.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 20 septembre 2012 - 05:59 .

[TheWout]

I'd also like to add that i was annoyed that i was pretty much dependent on Anders in my team since he is the only reliable healer if you are playing a warrior/rogue

so i had to listen to his whining throughout my whole gameplay

[Plaintiff]

Wulfram wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I'm scoured Youtube for this rumoured scene where Hawke supposedly verbally abuses Anders for daring to find him attractive. All I've found was this youtube clip, which covers all the dialogue options of this particular conversation: 

All Hawke says when rejecting Anders is "Don't go there", to which Anders replies "I hear you; strictly professional".

I fail to see what's so terrifying about that.

Hmm, I'd only seen FemHawke's response.  ManHawke doesn't sound so squicked out, so it is better.

Still isn't ideal, though.  There should be an option which doesn't have a problem with it, but isn't a flirt.

Well in the real world, misreading a straight guy could get you physically assaulted or maybe murdered. If I were in Anders' position, I would just be glad not to get punched in the face.

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Rpgfantasyplayer wrote...

I don't see where Anders was pushy about the romance. I romanced him once and other times I did not. I always just chose the leafy icon after the first time he hit on me. That is just the way that Anders is. From Origins and Awakenings he was always the flirty type when he talked. Never took that as he was hitting on me. I know people in real life who are that way. He is/was a charismatic kind of guy. He never held it against my Hawke when I turned him down. The only straight up bromance that you are going to get is Varric since he was not a LI to begin with.

No one like the bromance with Aveline? I'm surprised. Varric and Aveline are my go-to bros.

To me Aveline always seemed angry at me.  Told me I sold her shield from Wesley when I hadn't .  Got all mad and then tried to make nice.  I did enjoy her character don't get me wrong, she just seemed to blame me for a lot of things.

[DreGregoire]

Ninjamancing LOL! That's one interesting term; however, I don't see how being unable to control how a companion/npc takes what you say is in any way far from what you would experience in reallife. People can take your words in any of number of ways. You can say the same thing in the same manner to any two people and find that they don't interpret it the same way. So that companion/npc thinking/assuming you might have an interest in them is in no way sneaking/ninja'n a romance into your life. I agree that ME1 could have handled the situation better but I was never once in a romance that I didn't mean to be in. Not only that but I managed to play my first 4 games without romancing a single person, despite playing nice throughout.

[Lenimph]

Ander's over eagerness bothered my Lesbian Hawke too.

Guys are so selfcentered in their fear of deh peen.

Modifié par Lenimph, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:02 .

[TheWout]

Not to mention that although Hawke literaly murders THOUSANDS of people in Kirkwall, he seems determined to get the psycho mage on his team and doesn't want to hurt his feelings.

[hoorayforicecream]

TheWout wrote...

I'd also like to add that i was annoyed that i was pretty much dependent on Anders in my team since he is the only reliable healer if you are playing a warrior/rogue

so i had to listen to his whining throughout my whole gameplay

I used healing potions. They worked very well, and the game is designed to drop them if you are below a certain number. There's also the ability to order Elfroot potions too.

[thats1evildude]

I doubt Anders was in my party more than 50 per cent of the game and I played a warrior.

If your damage output is high enough, you don't need a healer. And as hoorayforicecream said, you do have potions.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:04 .

[Battlebloodmage]

TheWout wrote...

No, he's saying i am coming up with all kinds of reasoning to hide i would be "uncomfortable"

I find THAT offensive.


(although, he is not directing it at me personally, but in this context/thread it is)

I don't think that's what he meant. I do feel like you're exaggerate the problem more than it has to. Anders only flirts with you once, David does have a point in saying that the game allows you so many chances to make up for that small amount of friendship loss. You're focusing on ONE instance in which Anders will hit on you, but that's making it as if he's hitting on you every time you converse which is definitely isn't true. There are other characters which hit on you even if you don't necessarily hit on them first like Liara or Leliana. I guess it's okay because they're girls. I love that LIs sometimes took the initiative, it is very refreshing. Once you turn them down the first time, I don't think they hit on you again.

[TheWout]

DreGregoire wrote...

Ninjamancing LOL! That's one interesting term; however, I don't see how being unable to control how a companion/npc takes what you say is in any way far from what you would experience in reallife. People can take your words in any of number of ways. You can say the same thing in the same manner to any two people and find that they don't interpret it the same way. So that companion/npc thinking/assuming you might have an interest in them is in no way sneaking/ninja'n a romance into your life. I agree that ME1 could have handled the situation better but I was never once in a romance that I didn't mean to be in. Not only that but I managed to play my first 4 games without romancing a single person, despite playing nice throughout.

In real life however, you have more than 3 conversation options and your brain is better connected to your mouth.
I found the dialogue wheel text surprisingly different from what came out of Hawkes mouth

[Lenimph]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

TheWout wrote...

I'd also like to add that i was annoyed that i was pretty much dependent on Anders in my team since he is the only reliable healer if you are playing a warrior/rogue

so i had to listen to his whining throughout my whole gameplay

I used healing potions. They worked very well, and the game is designed to drop them if you are below a certain number. There's also the ability to order Elfroot potions too.

Yeah gonna have to agree that it's totally possible to play the game without Ander's as a healer, and I was playing as a warrior.  

[berelinde]

Nyoka wrote...

Imagine the world if the Anders avalanche happened each time a boy makes unwelcome advances towards a girl and gets sulky for two minutes when rejected.

I vastly prefer getting two or three rivalry points and a two minutes long sulk from a companion than having my own character act in ways the dialogue wheel didn't remotely hint at *ahem Femshep&Jacob coughcough*. Now THAT'S something to avoid please.

You aren't kidding!

That "Leer at Isabela" moment in the demo was almost enough to make me cancel my pre-order. I had been ambivalent about Isabela as it was from the pre-release publicity, imagining her to be another Viconia. When my character flirted with her without any input from me, I was pretty nonplussed. Fortunately, there was the prospect of Anders to look forward to, so I kept my pre-order and resolved to never recruit Isabela.

In the end, it turned out that I was *completely* wrong about Isabela and she wound up being my second-favorite video game female ever (after Mazzy), but I would never have found that out had I gone with the impression that involuntary flirt left in the demo.

The moral of the story:
--- The NPC flirts with the protagonist with no player input = awesome (everybody loves to be loved)
--- The protagonist is given the option to flirt with the NPC = awesome (cause and effect works)
--- The protagonist flirts with the NPC with no player input = not good (my character did *what*?!)

[Maria Caliban]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

TheWout wrote...

I'd also like to add that i was annoyed that i was pretty much dependent on Anders in my team since he is the only reliable healer if you are playing a warrior/rogue

so i had to listen to his whining throughout my whole gameplay

I used healing potions. They worked very well, and the game is designed to drop them if you are below a certain number. There's also the ability to order Elfroot potions too.

It would have been nice if the game told me this.

[TheWout]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

TheWout wrote...

No, he's saying i am coming up with all kinds of reasoning to hide i would be "uncomfortable"

I find THAT offensive.


(although, he is not directing it at me personally, but in this context/thread it is)

I don't think that's what he meant. I do feel like you're exaggerate the problem more than it has to. Anders only flirts with you once, David does have a point in saying that the game allows you so many chances to make up for that small amount of friendship loss. You're focusing on ONE instance in which Anders will hit on you, but that's making it as if he's hitting on you every time you converse which is definitely isn't true. There are other characters which hit on you even if you don't necessarily hit on them first like Liara or Leliana. I guess it's okay because they're girls. I love that LIs sometimes took the initiative, it is very refreshing. Once you turn them down the first time, I don't think they hit on you again.

I didn't mind about Rival points, but i did play a Good Guy Hawke and the dialogue wheel is set up as
"Good Guy -> Smartass -> ****"

Because the text you choose is not what comes out of your mouth, being Nice and Understanding gets you on a romancing path that you might not want to follow.
The Alternative is, being a standoff douche

[Battlebloodmage]

Rpgfantasyplayer wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Rpgfantasyplayer wrote...

I don't see where Anders was pushy about the romance. I romanced him once and other times I did not. I always just chose the leafy icon after the first time he hit on me. That is just the way that Anders is. From Origins and Awakenings he was always the flirty type when he talked. Never took that as he was hitting on me. I know people in real life who are that way. He is/was a charismatic kind of guy. He never held it against my Hawke when I turned him down. The only straight up bromance that you are going to get is Varric since he was not a LI to begin with.

No one like the bromance with Aveline? I'm surprised. Varric and Aveline are my go-to bros.

To me Aveline always seemed angry at me.  Told me I sold her shield from Wesley when I hadn't .  Got all mad and then tried to make nice.  I did enjoy her character don't get me wrong, she just seemed to blame me for a lot of things.

I'm pretty sure it's a bug because you need to equip her with the shield for it to work. You can't have it in the storage or the game won't recognize it.

To be honest, Aveline overlooks a lot of things you did throughout the game. She even spared Anders if he killed the girl and protect Isabela from the Arisok. I find the bromance with her interesting because even though she's looking out for you, she won't hold back her opinion. She's also the one person that won't ever raise a blade against you, no matter what. I find that endearing.

[Plaintiff]

TheWout wrote...

Not to mention that although Hawke literaly murders THOUSANDS of people in Kirkwall, he seems determined to get the psycho mage on his team and doesn't want to hurt his feelings.

He also accepts a disease-ridden, thieving, lying pirate queen, a pathologically violent (and racist) elf with superpowers, and a bloodmage with less brain activity than a potato clock.

You could hurt Anders' feelings if you wanted to. You get plenty of opportunities to do that as well.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:14 .

[Plaintiff]

Arcian wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

The result was Deekin. You can make of that what you like.

Deekin as in Deekin, the best character ever produced by BioWare?

I guess that answers that, then.

[Battlebloodmage]

TheWout wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

TheWout wrote...

No, he's saying i am coming up with all kinds of reasoning to hide i would be "uncomfortable"

I find THAT offensive.


(although, he is not directing it at me personally, but in this context/thread it is)

I don't think that's what he meant. I do feel like you're exaggerate the problem more than it has to. Anders only flirts with you once, David does have a point in saying that the game allows you so many chances to make up for that small amount of friendship loss. You're focusing on ONE instance in which Anders will hit on you, but that's making it as if he's hitting on you every time you converse which is definitely isn't true. There are other characters which hit on you even if you don't necessarily hit on them first like Liara or Leliana. I guess it's okay because they're girls. I love that LIs sometimes took the initiative, it is very refreshing. Once you turn them down the first time, I don't think they hit on you again.

I didn't mind about Rival points, but i did play a Good Guy Hawke and the dialogue wheel is set up as
"Good Guy -> Smartass -> ****"

Because the text you choose is not what comes out of your mouth, being Nice and Understanding gets you on a romancing path that you might not want to follow.
The Alternative is, being a standoff douche

In real life situation, people may be interested in someone if someone is being nice to them, so it's not unexpected to see that happen. You don't need to be a douche, just turn down the companion's flirting the first time it happens. I don't often see them flirt with me again.

[Wulfram]

The game does do a pretty poor job of convincing people they don't need a healer. Setting the tactics to drink healing potions by default would have helped.

And sticking really powerful spells like haste and heroic aura in with the healing wasn't a great idea.

[TheWout]

I didn't recruit Isabella, Fenris had to sit it out with me as well, the bloodmage was tragically flawed, so i was cool with that

[ReallyRue]

In order to get the "Witch Girl", my Warden had to -
1. Be male.
2. Not kick her out of the party immediately.
She's easier to romance than Zev, and that's saying something.

Besides, the problem with that Anders scene is that it was badly written. It was just as bad if Hawke was female and disinterested, because there was no option to let him down gently. Why people automatically think it's more awkward because it's a man hitting on a man, I have no idea.

[Thor Rand Al]

David Gaider wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...
On a slightly related note, and since David is here... Hey David, didn't you say at some point that you specifically wrote a male companion to be as subservient and agreeable as possible to the player, and he ended up being the most popular male character ever?

Not quite. I hypothesized whether making a character completely servile and supportive of every single thing that player does would, in fact, make him more popular-- based on the fact that many of our more popular characters, like Minsc or HK-47 or, heck, even Varric-- don't actually oppose the player in any fashion.

The result was Deekin. You can make of that what you like.

Hey I loved Deekin, he was adorable lol