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[Ridwan]

Honestly, my main gripe, besides the awful ending and the idiotic Contact inspired space kid (seriously, Contact sucked) is the response we got. Then the EC to shut us up.

Well it didn't work for me, I haven't bought any DLC for ME 3, not even the Javik one, but if Bioware actually manned up and say "Look, we're sorry that we disappointed so many of with this ending. We really thought we were being clever with the space brat, but it turned out you were right, he sucked." or something like that.

It honestly would propell Bioware right back in the, buy again full price catagory for me, provided they made DA 3 good too. An apology without following up after multiple screw ups is an empty gesture after all.

And to those "Lol another ending thread, get over it" you don't have to click on the thread and waste your time writing, genious.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Too late for an apology now.

"Hey fans, we're sorry, we ****ed up." loses its merit when they still stand by their decision to 'offend' us.

I would've have wanted one, though. Hell, I still do.

[Red Dust]

They already offered an apology in the form of the extended cut, which is quite an improvement over the original endings.

It's time to let go. Get off the ledge.

[Ridwan]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Too late for an apology now.

"Hey fans, we're sorry, we ****ed up." loses its merit when they still stand by their decision to 'offend' us.

I would've have wanted one, though. Hell, I still do.

Same here, hell did they even apologise for recycling maps and content for DA2?

[111987]

Why would they say the Catalyst sucked if they don't feel it did? Just to placate the vocal minority? No, they would lose a ton of credibility by saying that.

[AlanC9]

M25105 wrote...
...but if Bioware actually manned up and say "Look, we're sorry that we disappointed so many of with this ending. We really thought we were being clever with the space brat, but it turned out you were right, he sucked." or something like that.

Would they actually have to believe this? Or would you be OK with them lying to you? (Again?)

[Ridwan]

Vocal minority doesn't get in the mainstream news. In fact I've seen people who defend Synthesis still hating the kid. Actually after 6 months to my recollection of reading this forum I can only remember a handful of people actually liking the dumb kid. Everyone else recognises it for what it is, lazy cop out Contact inspired kid, trying to explain everything in a half assed way.

[Ridwan]

AlanC9 wrote...

M25105 wrote...
...but if Bioware actually manned up and say "Look, we're sorry that we disappointed so many of with this ending. We really thought we were being clever with the space brat, but it turned out you were right, he sucked." or something like that.

Would they actually have to believe this? Or would you be OK with them lying to you? (Again?)

I'm a firm believer of if someone mans up and asks for forgiveness you give it to them. If they screw up the second time then no. To my recollection, Bioware hasn't apologised once, so if they should finally do it, I'd believe them. Call me naive, but that's what I feel.

[ShepnTali]

The EC was their apology, like it or not. The fallout was too great.

[legion999]

Not much, as it's a bit too late.

[Ridwan]

ShepnTali wrote...

The EC was their apology, like it or not. The fallout was too great.

I'd say it was more like covering their ass. Hell the original ending doomed half the galaxy to starvation.

[eddieoctane]

"Hey, look, I know I've screwed up and lied to you. And that when you called me on it, I decided to condescend you for almost 7 solid months. But it turns out you were right. Sorry."

Yeah...no. Too little far too late.

[111987]

M25105 wrote...

Vocal minority doesn't get in the mainstream news. In fact I've seen people who defend Synthesis still hating the kid. Actually after 6 months to my recollection of reading this forum I can only remember a handful of people actually liking the dumb kid. Everyone else recognises it for what it is, lazy cop out Contact inspired kid, trying to explain everything in a half assed way.

Au contraire, the vocal minority almost always makes mainstream news. Generally because they are more radical than the calm majority. But in any case, the existence of a Reaper leader should have been obvious to anyone since Mass Effect 2, and arguably even Mass Effect 1. The fact that the Reapers, despite being composed of different species and having different minds, all supported the cycle of harvesting, heavily implies the existence of a higher power.

After Thessia and the meeting with Vendetta, well, if you still hadn't seen the Catalyst coming, well, you ought to be paying more attention.

[Ithurael]

ShepnTali wrote...

The EC was their apology, like it or not. The fallout was too great.

^This

OP that is all we are going to get. There will be no apology because they will not/never/ever apologize.

And an apology is not going to change anything. At best it would affirm to the fans that bioware didn't like the product and then fans would go rabid demanding that the ending be changed - again.

[Binary_Helix 1]

Yes an apology would go a long way to make amends. It's overdue as the EC was more like giving us a finished product.

111987 wrote...

Why would they say the Catalyst sucked if they don't feel it did? Just to placate the vocal minority? No, they would lose a ton of credibility by saying that.

On BSN (Bioware's own forum in case anyone forgot) the only minority here are the ones who like ME3.

social.bioware.com/1707548/polls/38260/

[111987]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Yes an apology would go a long way to make amends. It's overdue as the EC was more like giving us a finished product.

111987 wrote...

Why would they say the Catalyst sucked if they don't feel it did? Just to placate the vocal minority? No, they would lose a ton of credibility by saying that.

On BSN (Bioware's own forum in case anyone forgot) the only minority here are the ones who like ME3.

social.bioware.com/1707548/polls/38260/

Currently, 624 people have voted in that poll.

Over 3.5 million copies of Mass Effect 3 have been sold.

Excuse me if i'm not totally swayed by the result of this random poll on the BSN.

[Conniving_Eagle]

111987 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Yes an apology would go a long way to make amends. It's overdue as the EC was more like giving us a finished product.

111987 wrote...

Why would they say the Catalyst sucked if they don't feel it did? Just to placate the vocal minority? No, they would lose a ton of credibility by saying that.

On BSN (Bioware's own forum in case anyone forgot) the only minority here are the ones who like ME3.

social.bioware.com/1707548/polls/38260/

Currently, 624 people have voted in that poll.

Over 3.5 million copies of Mass Effect 3 have been sold.

Excuse me if i'm not totally swayed by the result of this random poll on the BSN.

I get the feeling you don't know how polls work if you're dismissing it because of the amount of people who voted. Regardless, the only people capable of accurately polling are Bioware.

[Ozida]

A bit too late now (not that I am OK with BioWare not apologizing in the first place when the ****storm happened).

Besides, they can keep their pride and continue saying that they are happy with what they have produced, but what I really needed was an acknowledgement from they that they do realize that many players didn't think the same way BioWare did. Their statements of "People loved ME3, those who complain are just worthless minority" were simply offensive. Even if we were minority at that time (which I still have very hard believing in), they should've stated that they know and understand that some players had issues with the ending. That's why, I agree with OP, EC sounded like a "get-this-&-shut-up" thing. Simply because they kept saying that nothing was wrong and 99% people loved the game as it was.

Anyway, at this moment I don't care for their words anymore. I am very cautious with BioWare now, and the only way to restore the trust would befor them  to actually listen to the fans once and at least to try finding some compromises between what THEY want and what WE want.

Modifié par Ozida, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:25 .

[Ridwan]

111987 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Vocal minority doesn't get in the mainstream news. In fact I've seen people who defend Synthesis still hating the kid. Actually after 6 months to my recollection of reading this forum I can only remember a handful of people actually liking the dumb kid. Everyone else recognises it for what it is, lazy cop out Contact inspired kid, trying to explain everything in a half assed way.

Au contraire, the vocal minority almost always makes mainstream news. Generally because they are more radical than the calm majority. But in any case, the existence of a Reaper leader should have been obvious to anyone since Mass Effect 2, and arguably even Mass Effect 1. The fact that the Reapers, despite being composed of different species and having different minds, all supported the cycle of harvesting, heavily implies the existence of a higher power.

After Thessia and the meeting with Vendetta, well, if you still hadn't seen the Catalyst coming, well, you ought to be paying more attention.

Au contraire my ass, this forum was on FIRE when we completed, hell my own youtube video and I usually never get more than 50 views had up 11,000 views after I made a rant how much the ending sucked with only 9 people disliking it. EVERYONE hated the stupid kid, and all the different polls always showed above 75+ % people hating the ending. 70,000 dollars was donated to a charity just to get Bioware to wake up and change the ending. So don't you dare call it a vocal minority when everything that we have seen so far points to exact opposite. You know what? Show me proof that only a vocal minority hated the ending and the kid. Go ahead, take your time, I'll wait.

Where was the BBC and CNN when gamers raged about Starcraft 2 or the death of Westwood? No where, why? Cause not enough cared to make that big of a deal about it. With this it did.

And don't give me that crap with that VI about the catalyst being a kid and what not, no one foresaw it. No one.

And by the way. ME 1 "We're each a nation, independent bla bla" Yeah doesn't sound like they got a leader there buddy.

[Eterna]

They don't need to apologize. Why would hey?

Do authors apologize to the people who don't like their books?

Modifié par Eterna5, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:27 .

[Baa Baa]

It would be nice.
But it wouldn't matter at this point. They should have apologized a while back.
And I agree with whoever said the EC was just to cover their asses.

[CronoDragoon]

An apology would be ridiculous.

But an apology in the form of further ninja fine-tunements of the ending would be delicious.

[AlanC9]

M25105 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Would they actually have to believe this? Or would you be OK with them lying to you? (Again?)

I'm a firm believer of if someone mans up and asks for forgiveness you give it to them. If they screw up the second time then no. To my recollection, Bioware hasn't apologised once, so if they should finally do it, I'd believe them. Call me naive, but that's what I feel.

Hmm. Actually, it really depends on what they're apologizing for. Let's say they apologize for "the Catalyst" and promise not to do that again. That would mean.... what, exactly? The Catalyst itself wasn't going to appear again anyway. So unless the apology is very specific about what they're not going to do anymore, they wouldn't actually be saying anything.

[111987]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

111987 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Yes an apology would go a long way to make amends. It's overdue as the EC was more like giving us a finished product.

111987 wrote...

Why would they say the Catalyst sucked if they don't feel it did? Just to placate the vocal minority? No, they would lose a ton of credibility by saying that.

On BSN (Bioware's own forum in case anyone forgot) the only minority here are the ones who like ME3.

social.bioware.com/1707548/polls/38260/

Currently, 624 people have voted in that poll.

Over 3.5 million copies of Mass Effect 3 have been sold.

Excuse me if i'm not totally swayed by the result of this random poll on the BSN.

I get the feeling you don't know how polls work if you're dismissing it because of the amount of people who voted. Regardless, the only people capable of accurately polling are Bioware.

Sample size is actually an important part of polling. The amount of people whom voted has to be statistically significant or the value of the information gleaned from the poll is less significant and less useful.