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[Ridwan]

111987 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Yes an apology would go a long way to make amends. It's overdue as the EC was more like giving us a finished product.

111987 wrote...

Why would they say the Catalyst sucked if they don't feel it did? Just to placate the vocal minority? No, they would lose a ton of credibility by saying that.

On BSN (Bioware's own forum in case anyone forgot) the only minority here are the ones who like ME3.

social.bioware.com/1707548/polls/38260/

Currently, 624 people have voted in that poll.

Over 3.5 million copies of Mass Effect 3 have been sold.

Excuse me if i'm not totally swayed by the result of this random poll on the BSN.

This is so easy to refute it's not even funny. A ton of those sales (by the way, shipped doesn't translate into sold) were pre orders and purchases made the first two weeks. Go back and compare the sales then after the third week, yeah massive drop, right?

Hell I bought on the first day too, you know why? Cause of ME 1 and ME 2 and so did everyone else.

Modifié par M25105, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:31 .

[Ridwan]

Eterna5 wrote...

They don't need to apologize. Why would hey?

Do authors apologize to the people who don't like their books?

To get money from us, if they actually made a good ending, I would've been a happy **** who would've bought almost every DLC Bioware spat out. That's why. Their own ego got in the way of sound business.

Authors writing books aren't the same as game developers. And since when could you decide in a book what a hero should do, which target to shoot, which squad mate to pick and so on.

[CronoDragoon]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

I get the feeling you don't know how polls work if you're dismissing it because of the amount of people who voted. Regardless, the only people capable of accurately polling are Bioware.

Um, that's the #1 reason for dismissing a poll. Sample size. Another is whether or not the samples can be extrapolated to a population. Both reasons are in play on any BSN poll.

But that doesn't mean the silent majority liked the endings, either.

[Eterna]

M25105 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

They don't need to apologize. Why would hey?

Do authors apologize to the people who don't like their books?

To get money from us, if they actually made a good ending, I would've been a happy **** who would've bought almost every DLC Bioware spat out. That's why. Their own ego got in the way of sound business.

Authors writing books aren't the same as game developers. And since when could you decide in a book what a hero should do, which target to shoot, which squad mate to pick and so on.

Do Blizzard apologize to people who didn't like Diablo 3? I'm sorry, I'm just at a loss as to why you guys think you deserve an apology. 

[Ridwan]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

I get the feeling you don't know how polls work if you're dismissing it because of the amount of people who voted. Regardless, the only people capable of accurately polling are Bioware.

Um, that's the #1 reason for dismissing a poll. Sample size. Another is whether or not the samples can be extrapolated to a population. Both reasons are in play on any BSN poll.

But that doesn't mean the silent majority liked the endings, either.

Another thing that kills the false "minor vocal minorty" argument is the price drop. ME 3 dropped in price in record time.

[AlanC9]

Ozida wrote...
Besides, they can keep their pride and continue saying that they are happy with what they have produced, but what I really needed was an acknowledgement from they that they do realize that many players didn't think the same way BioWare did.

OK. What if they said something like "We recognize that introducing the Catalyst so late in the game was not our best story-telling. However, we stand by the moral ambiguity of the existing endings, even though some of our fans disagree with this. We consider having to make difficult decisions to be an essential part of an RPG."

(OK, the last sentence is a lie since Bio's usually all about letting players duck the hard questions, but you get the idea)

[AlanC9]

Eterna5 wrote...


Do Blizzard apologize to people who didn't like Diablo 3? I'm sorry, I'm just at a loss as to why you guys think you deserve an apology. 

Because their feelings are hurt? Seriously, the levels of emotional pain I've seen on this forum may be silly, but it sounds real.

Modifié par AlanC9, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:33 .

[Ridwan]

Eterna5 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

They don't need to apologize. Why would hey?

Do authors apologize to the people who don't like their books?

To get money from us, if they actually made a good ending, I would've been a happy **** who would've bought almost every DLC Bioware spat out. That's why. Their own ego got in the way of sound business.

Authors writing books aren't the same as game developers. And since when could you decide in a book what a hero should do, which target to shoot, which squad mate to pick and so on.

Do Blizzard apologize to people who didn't like Diablo 3? I'm sorry, I'm just at a loss as to why you guys think you deserve an apology. 

Why should they? Everyone knew what Diablo 3 would be, hell they had videos up with the gameplay over a year ago before the game out. Again, you compare apples and oranges.

Oh and fyi, Blizzard does have a history of apologising.

[111987]

M25105 wrote...

111987 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Vocal minority doesn't get in the mainstream news. In fact I've seen people who defend Synthesis still hating the kid. Actually after 6 months to my recollection of reading this forum I can only remember a handful of people actually liking the dumb kid. Everyone else recognises it for what it is, lazy cop out Contact inspired kid, trying to explain everything in a half assed way.

Au contraire, the vocal minority almost always makes mainstream news. Generally because they are more radical than the calm majority. But in any case, the existence of a Reaper leader should have been obvious to anyone since Mass Effect 2, and arguably even Mass Effect 1. The fact that the Reapers, despite being composed of different species and having different minds, all supported the cycle of harvesting, heavily implies the existence of a higher power.

After Thessia and the meeting with Vendetta, well, if you still hadn't seen the Catalyst coming, well, you ought to be paying more attention.

Au contraire my ass, this forum was on FIRE when we completed, hell my own youtube video and I usually never get more than 50 views had up 11,000 views after I made a rant how much the ending sucked with only 9 people disliking it. EVERYONE hated the stupid kid, and all the different polls always showed above 75+ % people hating the ending. 70,000 dollars was donated to a charity just to get Bioware to wake up and change the ending. So don't you dare call it a vocal minority when everything that we have seen so far points to exact opposite. You know what? Show me proof that only a vocal minority hated the ending and the kid. Go ahead, take your time, I'll wait.

Where was the BBC and CNN when gamers raged about Starcraft 2 or the death of Westwood? No where, why? Cause not enough cared to make that big of a deal about it. With this it did.

And don't give me that crap with that VI about the catalyst being a kid and what not, no one foresaw it. No one.

And by the way. ME 1 "We're each a nation, independent bla bla" Yeah doesn't sound like they got a leader there buddy.

I think you need to calm down a bit. There's obviously no point in having a discussion with you if you're going to grow enraged at people whom have different opinions then your own.

Since you're the one making the argument, the burden of proof is on you. And I find your evidence lacking and unsatisfactory because you've only cited one poll that accounts for less than 2% of the people whom actually played the game, and your sample size is biased because you are posting on a forum where only diehard fans, whom are the most emotional fans would have access to the poll.

Once again, the vocal minority always makes the news. It's the more interesting story. This made the news while other video game news didn't because the intensity of the fan rage was completely out of control.

Also, I once again point out the presence of a Reaper leader should have been obvious to anyone who gave any sort of thought about the Reapers. Not that it would take the form of a kid, but that's irrelevant.

Play Mass Effect 2 to understand how the Reapers are all each a nation, have personality, and yet are still bound by the direction of the Catalyst.

[Ezlo86]

Not to be rude, but to people still wanting a "we're so sorry to let you guys down", they don't need to apologize for anything. Think for a second if Capcom would do such a thing as the EC or giving free dlc like that. The way you have your say in these matters is to simply stop giving them your money. It's how you vote, just don't buy their next game.

But you know what, you will. Everyone and their mother will get that game.

[Eterna]

You still haven't answered my question: Why do you think they owe you an apology?

[Binary_Helix 1]

111987 wrote...

Sample size is actually an important part of polling. The amount of people whom voted has to be statistically significant or the value of the information gleaned from the poll is less significant and less useful.

I'm just one person getting over 3000 respondents isn't doable. Bioware however can and should do a poll like that. They won't because they know what the outcome will be.

[Ridwan]

Eterna5 wrote...

You still haven't answered my question: Why do you think they owe you an apology?

I did, you just choose to ignore it.

[111987]

M25105 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Yes an apology would go a long way to make amends. It's overdue as the EC was more like giving us a finished product.

111987 wrote...

Why would they say the Catalyst sucked if they don't feel it did? Just to placate the vocal minority? No, they would lose a ton of credibility by saying that.

On BSN (Bioware's own forum in case anyone forgot) the only minority here are the ones who like ME3.

social.bioware.com/1707548/polls/38260/

Currently, 624 people have voted in that poll.

Over 3.5 million copies of Mass Effect 3 have been sold.

Excuse me if i'm not totally swayed by the result of this random poll on the BSN.

This is so easy to refute it's not even funny. A ton of those sales (by the way, shipped doesn't translate into sold) were pre orders and purchases made the first two weeks. Go back and compare the sales then after the third week, yeah massive drop, right?

Hell I bought on the first day too, you know why? Cause of ME 1 and ME 2 and so did everyone else.

Of course sales dropped; most people whom wanted the game already had it by the third week. This happens with every game + movie.

Try again.

[CronoDragoon]

M25105 wrote...

Another thing that kills the false "minor vocal minorty" argument is the price drop. ME 3 dropped in price in record time.

Do you have evidence that ME3 dropped in price way faster than comparable games? Or that ME3's sales drop was much worse than ME2's after the 2nd week or whatever?

[Eterna]

M25105 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

You still haven't answered my question: Why do you think they owe you an apology?

I did, you just choose to ignore it.

No you didn't, you just went on a speal about how everyone knew what Diablo was going to be. 

But let's be clear here, if you think Bioware owes you an apolgy because you didn't like their story, then you're ridiculous. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:38 .

[jpraelster93]

If the ec was the apology they SUCK at saying sorry

[AlanC9]

M25105 wrote...
And don't give me that crap with that VI about the catalyst being a kid and what not, no one foresaw it. No one.

No one forsaw the Catalyst being a kid? It isn't actually a kid, you know.

[Binary_Helix 1]

M25105 wrote...

Another thing that kills the false "minor vocal minorty" argument is the price drop. ME 3 dropped in price in record time.

Yep. People keep saying ME2 dropped in price during the same timeframe. I've asked for proof and all I get are links to one day specials and holiday sales. Reality is ME3 is now in the bargin bin while Skyrim is still at or near full price. ME3 is a joke.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:40 .

[CronoDragoon]

The only thing they might possibly owe an apology for is how wrong the pre-release marketing turned out to be. I think it would be hard for anyone to defend the "no ABC ending" or "rachni have a huge effect" statements.

[AlanC9]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

I'm just one person getting over 3000 respondents isn't doable. Bioware however can and should do a poll like that. They won't because they know what the outcome will be.

The only poll that matters is the gameplay tracking.

[Ridwan]

111987 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

111987 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Vocal minority doesn't get in the mainstream news. In fact I've seen people who defend Synthesis still hating the kid. Actually after 6 months to my recollection of reading this forum I can only remember a handful of people actually liking the dumb kid. Everyone else recognises it for what it is, lazy cop out Contact inspired kid, trying to explain everything in a half assed way.

Au contraire, the vocal minority almost always makes mainstream news. Generally because they are more radical than the calm majority. But in any case, the existence of a Reaper leader should have been obvious to anyone since Mass Effect 2, and arguably even Mass Effect 1. The fact that the Reapers, despite being composed of different species and having different minds, all supported the cycle of harvesting, heavily implies the existence of a higher power.

After Thessia and the meeting with Vendetta, well, if you still hadn't seen the Catalyst coming, well, you ought to be paying more attention.

Au contraire my ass, this forum was on FIRE when we completed, hell my own youtube video and I usually never get more than 50 views had up 11,000 views after I made a rant how much the ending sucked with only 9 people disliking it. EVERYONE hated the stupid kid, and all the different polls always showed above 75+ % people hating the ending. 70,000 dollars was donated to a charity just to get Bioware to wake up and change the ending. So don't you dare call it a vocal minority when everything that we have seen so far points to exact opposite. You know what? Show me proof that only a vocal minority hated the ending and the kid. Go ahead, take your time, I'll wait.

Where was the BBC and CNN when gamers raged about Starcraft 2 or the death of Westwood? No where, why? Cause not enough cared to make that big of a deal about it. With this it did.

And don't give me that crap with that VI about the catalyst being a kid and what not, no one foresaw it. No one.

And by the way. ME 1 "We're each a nation, independent bla bla" Yeah doesn't sound like they got a leader there buddy.

I think you need to calm down a bit. There's obviously no point in having a discussion with you if you're going to grow enraged at people whom have different opinions then your own.

Since you're the one making the argument, the burden of proof is on you. And I find your evidence lacking and unsatisfactory because you've only cited one poll that accounts for less than 2% of the people whom actually played the game, and your sample size is biased because you are posting on a forum where only diehard fans, whom are the most emotional fans would have access to the poll.

Once again, the vocal minority always makes the news. It's the more interesting story. This made the news while other video game news didn't because the intensity of the fan rage was completely out of control.

Also, I once again point out the presence of a Reaper leader should have been obvious to anyone who gave any sort of thought about the Reapers. Not that it would take the form of a kid, but that's irrelevant.

Play Mass Effect 2 to understand how the Reapers are all each a nation, have personality, and yet are still bound by the direction of the Catalyst.

No the burden of proof is ON YOU. I can help it if your memory is too short to remember that poll after poll showed peoples outrage over the ending. I also like how you blatently ignore the forums that linked to other polls on other websites, which means you're either ignorant of it happened cause you didn't read it, or you're lying. Hell, just go 6 months back on this forum. Also, I've already written the best proof that the vocal minority argument is BS. The pricedrop after just one month. The money points to what I'm saying and confirms it.

Playing ME 2 proves nothing. We dealth with collectors who worked for the Reapers. The way the Sovereign acted, who constantly said we and never once reffered to a boss, no one really expected a final boss. That's just you, with the knowledge of hindsight.

[Rudy Lis]

Just an ending, eh? What about those who think ending is a) part of the meh-diocre game, chaff and flares, c) everything after are just attempts to patch holey blanket with desintegrating holey patches?

[AlanC9]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...
Yep. People keep saying ME2 dropped in price during the same timeframe. I've asked for proof and all I get are links to one day specials and holiday sales. Reality is ME3 is now in the bargin bin while Skyrim is still at or near full price. ME3 is a joke. 

And by "a joke," you mean "solidly profitable."

[Eterna]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Another thing that kills the false "minor vocal minorty" argument is the price drop. ME 3 dropped in price in record time.

Yep. People keep saying ME2 dropped in price during the same timeframe. I've asked for proof and all I get are links to one day specials and holiday sales. Reality is ME3 is now in the bargin bin while Skyrim is still at or near full price. ME3 is a joke.

Really? At my EB games it's still full priced.