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[Ridwan]

111987 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Of course sales dropped; most people whom wanted the game already had it by the third week. This happens with every game + movie.

Try again.

EA wanted over five million copies sold. ME3 had only sold about the same as the other two games (2-3 million). To my knowledge it hasn't even surpassed ME2 in total sales (though that might change with a Nintendo launch) . Where as Skyrim has sold over 12 million copies and is still full price at most retailers. Over 75 perfect scores and still a dud. Something is wrong pal.

3.5 million currently.

Skyrim is a game with more appeal than ME3, mroe appeal to the general market. Basically any type of gamer can play Skyrim.

Sales were undoubtedly hurt by the media coverage focusing so much on the negative backlash from some of the fans.

My point is, we simply don't know how many people liked or dislike Mass Effect 3. In any case, the OP is ridiculous for wanting an apology for not liking the story Bioware told. Should authors apologize to their readers for having an ending to their book some readers didn't like? If that were true, Game of Thrones wouldn't be anywhere near as popular as it is.

Books aren't games.

[Binary_Helix 1]

111987 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...


You don't deserve an apology for disliking any form of entertainment, be it books, video games or movies.  

George Clooney apologized for Batman and Robin. He says he'll even refund anyone their ticket.

Irrelevant example is irrelevant.

The situtation is completely different, and more importantly, no-one demanded an apology from him.

It's not irrelevant. He's a major actor with a reputation to uphold. Also the backlash to Batman and Robin was massive.

[Fixers0]

Bad writing is bad, and nothing that Bioware can do will be able fix that.

[Hudathan]

Apologize for what? A lot of people like the game as it currently stands, a lot of people don't. I wasn't aware that an artist has to please every single person in the world and automatically owes an apology whenever someone doesn't like what they came up with. If you don't like something, you don't have to like it. Give it a bad review, get a refund, whatever.

M25105 wrote...

Books aren't games.

Books are analogous to games if the story is the issue at hand.

Modifié par Hudathan, 20 septembre 2012 - 08:05 .

[111987]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...


You don't deserve an apology for disliking any form of entertainment, be it books, video games or movies.  

George Clooney apologized for Batman and Robin. He says he'll even refund anyone their ticket.

Irrelevant example is irrelevant.

The situtation is completely different, and more importantly, no-one demanded an apology from him.

It's not irrelevant. He's a major actor with a reputation to uphold. Also the backlash to Batman and Robin was massive.

If you can't see the difference between the situations there is no point in having this discussion.

[legion999]

111987 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
You don't deserve an apology for disliking any form of entertainment, be it books, video games or movies.  

George Clooney apologized for Batman and Robin. He says he'll even refund anyone their ticket.

Irrelevant example is irrelevant.
The situtation is completely different, and more importantly, no-one demanded an apology from him.

Movies aren't considered to be entertainment?

Modifié par legion999, 20 septembre 2012 - 08:14 .

[Eterna]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

You still haven't answered my question: Why do you think they owe you an apology?

Because they lied multiple times, 

They all do. Every game company does the same. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 20 septembre 2012 - 08:05 .

[legion999]

Hudathan wrote...

Apologize for what? A lot of people like the game as it currently stands, a lot of people don't. I wasn't aware that an artist has to please every single person in the world and automatically owes an apology whenever someone doesn't like what they came up with. If you don't like something, you don't have to like it. Give it a bad review, get a refund, whatever.

6 months after the game was released? Makes sense.

[Ridwan]

Hudathan wrote...

Apologize for what? A lot of people like the game as it currently stands, a lot of people don't. I wasn't aware that an artist has to please every single person in the world and automatically owes an apology whenever someone doesn't like what they came up with. If you don't like something, you don't have to like it. Give it a bad review, get a refund, whatever.

Here's the thing. Games aren't art. Yes, I know it's my opinion and bla bla, insert Shadow of the Collosus and all that. But if video games are art, then so are cardboard games like Ludo, and Checkers. It's a product meant for entertainment, and we were blatently lied to. It's called goodwill. Gaining consumer trust again. Why are people constantly mentioning books and films? Use games at least if you want to argue against me.

[Binary_Helix 1]

111987 wrote...

Skyrim is a game with more appeal than ME3, mroe appeal to the general market. Basically any type of gamer can play Skyrim.

Skyrim may be more popular but it's not because of mainstream appeal. Assuming that was even true Bioware also tried to be as mainstream as possible and failed utterly. The auidence for ME games has barely expanded. It's about the same.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 20 septembre 2012 - 10:59 .

[Ridwan]

Eterna5 wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

You still haven't answered my question: Why do you think they owe you an apology?

Because they lied multiple times, 

They all do. Every game company does the same. 

No.

[111987]

M25105 wrote...

Hudathan wrote...

Apologize for what? A lot of people like the game as it currently stands, a lot of people don't. I wasn't aware that an artist has to please every single person in the world and automatically owes an apology whenever someone doesn't like what they came up with. If you don't like something, you don't have to like it. Give it a bad review, get a refund, whatever.

Here's the thing. Games aren't art. Yes, I know it's my opinion and bla bla, insert Shadow of the Collosus and all that. But if video games are art, then so are cardboard games like Ludo, and Checkers. It's a product meant for entertainment, and we were blatently lied to. It's called goodwill. Gaining consumer trust again. Why are people constantly mentioning books and films? Use games at least if you want to argue against me.

When it is the story of the game you are complaining about,the stories of books and movies become relevant topics of discussion.

[Manwards]

Extended Cut was the apology, and I accepted it gladly. Fixed all the problems I had and didn't cost me a penny. I wish the developers of Deus Ex: HR had done the same!

[111987]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Skyrim is a game with more appeal than ME3, mroe appeal to the general market. Basically any type of gamer can play Skyrim.

Skyrim maybe more popular but it's not because of mainstream appeal. Assuming that was even true Bioware also tried to be as mainstream as possible and failed utterly. The auidence for ME games has barely expanded. It's about the same.

Of course they did. The idea they were promoting, that ME3 was the best place to start, was absolutely ridiculous. I understand why they did that, but it wasn't fooling anyone.

[Eterna]

M25105 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

You still haven't answered my question: Why do you think they owe you an apology?

Because they lied multiple times, 

They all do. Every game company does the same. 

No.

Yup.

[Rudy Lis]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Because they lied multiple times, they were doing it with most of pre-release statements and even after release they got nice mess in own statements and as a cherry on the pie is their final cut THESE WERE NOT LIES (from Ch.Priestly)... 

But of course! These weren't lies, these were alternate truth!

But seriously, how should one treat those, who promised a lot, but did nothing and, instead of standing up and admitting their mistakes (we are only humans after all (even Miranda said she isn't perfect)) making up some stupid excuses and trying to use "art" as "get out of jail free" card.

[Ridwan]

111987 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Hudathan wrote...

Apologize for what? A lot of people like the game as it currently stands, a lot of people don't. I wasn't aware that an artist has to please every single person in the world and automatically owes an apology whenever someone doesn't like what they came up with. If you don't like something, you don't have to like it. Give it a bad review, get a refund, whatever.

Here's the thing. Games aren't art. Yes, I know it's my opinion and bla bla, insert Shadow of the Collosus and all that. But if video games are art, then so are cardboard games like Ludo, and Checkers. It's a product meant for entertainment, and we were blatently lied to. It's called goodwill. Gaining consumer trust again. Why are people constantly mentioning books and films? Use games at least if you want to argue against me.

When it is the story of the game you are complaining about,the stories of books and movies become relevant topics of discussion.

No it doesn't cause in the book the story is fixed. You can't change it. In ME the whole idea was that your choices mattered and influenced the story. Games and book doesn't do that.

[o Ventus]

legion999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
You don't deserve an apology for disliking any form of entertainment, be it books, video games or movies.  

George Clooney apologized for Batman and Robin. He says he'll even refund anyone their ticket.

Irrelevant example is irrelevant.
The situtation is completely different, and more importantly, no-one demanded an apology from him.

Movies aren't considered to be entertainment.

Not sure if srs.

[Ridwan]

Eterna5 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

You still haven't answered my question: Why do you think they owe you an apology?

Because they lied multiple times, 

They all do. Every game company does the same. 

No.

Yup.

No.

[Eterna]

M25105 wrote...

111987 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Hudathan wrote...

Apologize for what? A lot of people like the game as it currently stands, a lot of people don't. I wasn't aware that an artist has to please every single person in the world and automatically owes an apology whenever someone doesn't like what they came up with. If you don't like something, you don't have to like it. Give it a bad review, get a refund, whatever.

Here's the thing. Games aren't art. Yes, I know it's my opinion and bla bla, insert Shadow of the Collosus and all that. But if video games are art, then so are cardboard games like Ludo, and Checkers. It's a product meant for entertainment, and we were blatently lied to. It's called goodwill. Gaining consumer trust again. Why are people constantly mentioning books and films? Use games at least if you want to argue against me.

When it is the story of the game you are complaining about,the stories of books and movies become relevant topics of discussion.

No it doesn't cause in the book the story is fixed. You can't change it. In ME the whole idea was that your choices mattered and influenced the story. Games and book doesn't do that.

 Mass Effect has always had a set story with slight deviances between different people. 

[111987]

M25105 wrote...

111987 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Hudathan wrote...

Apologize for what? A lot of people like the game as it currently stands, a lot of people don't. I wasn't aware that an artist has to please every single person in the world and automatically owes an apology whenever someone doesn't like what they came up with. If you don't like something, you don't have to like it. Give it a bad review, get a refund, whatever.

Here's the thing. Games aren't art. Yes, I know it's my opinion and bla bla, insert Shadow of the Collosus and all that. But if video games are art, then so are cardboard games like Ludo, and Checkers. It's a product meant for entertainment, and we were blatently lied to. It's called goodwill. Gaining consumer trust again. Why are people constantly mentioning books and films? Use games at least if you want to argue against me.

When it is the story of the game you are complaining about,the stories of books and movies become relevant topics of discussion.

No it doesn't cause in the book the story is fixed. You can't change it. In ME the whole idea was that your choices mattered and influenced the story. Games and book doesn't do that.

The choice influenced and flavored the story, but the story was till fixed. Every gamer would always face off against Sovereign, bring down the Collectors, go to Thessia, and reach the Catalyst, for example.

Anyways, all of this is irrelevant because you do not deserve an apology because you disliked what happened at the ending. None of these other points matter.

[Ridwan]

By the way, I'm not suprised that the usually defenders are the same people. The only ones missing is the guy with the custom dragon age avatar called macaroni or something the three guys with the garrus avatar and that goldrush guy.

Modifié par M25105, 20 septembre 2012 - 08:14 .

[legion999]

o Ventus wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Movies aren't considered to be entertainment.

Not sure if srs.

I dun goofed. Missed a question mark at the end, sorry.

Modifié par legion999, 20 septembre 2012 - 08:14 .

[CronoDragoon]

Eterna5 wrote...

They all do. Every game company does the same. 

Ubiquity does not make something okay.

[eddieoctane]

You know what, I'd take a retcon over an apology. Doyle retconned Holmes' death when all his readers were pissed. It worked for him, and it can work here too. No apology, no justification, just the fix people want. Hell, charge for it and people will likely pay.