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[Xaijin]

The only way I'll be purchasing another installment in ME is if it contains multiplayer.

Modifié par Xaijin, 21 septembre 2012 - 06:09 .

[daecath]

They would have to:
Apologize for the way they criticized their fans
Explain how they went from choices matter, no ABC endings, etc. to what we got
Admit to the flaws that are in the ending (theme that isn't supported by the story, deus ex machina ending, ridiculous impossible technology that doesn't belong in their universe)
Admit that the game was rushed

If they did all of those, I would consider purchasing BioWare products in the future, though only after reading trusted reviews (ie. NOT IGN). I wouldn't preorder like I have in the past, and I wouldn't buy multiple copies of the collector editions for each game platform like I did in the past. But I would stop "holding the wallet".

Fire John Riccitiello, and appoint the Doctors as heads of EA. Either that or EA is bought out by a developer who actually cares about making quality games, instead of just making money, they fire all the top dogs (literally) of EA, and replace them with passionate and intelligent individuals.

If that happened, it would go a long way to restoring my trust.

[Rudy Lis]

The Smitchens wrote...

Bad analogy.  In the context you've presented you're talking about a confrontational co-worker who is making a hostile work environment. 

Good analogy: there is product (or something that could be called product for simplicity of example), there is treatment (you may not like product, treatment or both), there is you and there is not you. It doesn't matter how many of those freeloaders are there - one, two or twenty.

The Smitchens wrote...

 In the context of ME3 we're essentially talking about being wronged by a book.

Even "in my cycle" I know at least one book that was rewritten (several times), as far as I know, based on readers feedback. Just for reference.
There were no art, just simple honest work.

The Smitchens wrote...

BioWare wrote a story.

Oh, but I know quite a few forum members (or should I say "ex-forum members?) who was banned for "writing a story". The only difference with ME3 story, that when somebody didn't liked their story, those "somebodies" utilised power of Gork and Mork and banhammered those ex-forum members from this realm of existence.

The Smitchens wrote...

They didn't mistreat anyone.

Really? So all their replies to... ehm... I don't really want to search in forums since local search function is functional as ME3 journal, but IIRC "entitled whiner" or something like that it's not mistreatment? "We're listening" and "comments closed" on same page? Duck, princess, or whatever was there? So this kind of "storywriting" is normal? Apparently, when you hold banhammer - yes!

The Smitchens wrote...

If it's about them then what's the apology for?

He-he.  "See above".

[SpamBot2000]

MB957 wrote...

I thought that the "so be it" big double middle finger...was the apology...

seriously tho..when they declined the cupcakes and made the "so be it" piece..I could see that they were entrenched on their idea of the ending.

to go out of your way...and spend money and resources to offend a portion of your fan base in retaliation, demonstrates a great deal to me about the character and integrity of the culture currently ruling bioware.

Indeed.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Red Dust wrote...

They already offered an apology in the form of the extended cut, which is quite an improvement over the original endings.

It's time to let go. Get off the ledge.

EH, there is an Archangeia(sp?) video, it's one of the few I had the stomach to sit around and watch in it's entirety where he explains how the EC isn't really an apology.

 

it is very long, just skip to about 20:10

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 21 septembre 2012 - 07:30 .

[FlamingBoy]

Red Dust wrote...

They already offered an apology in the form of the extended cut, which is quite an improvement over the original endings.

It's time to let go. Get off the ledge.

i think your a bit confused on what an apology actually is,

but lets say the ec was an apology, many fans fought really hard for the ec to get included and the ec became more of a comprimise

[tvman099]

An apology would be meaningless. The problems with ME3 go far beyond the ending and even though the EC made the ending less horrifically bad, nothing can fix ME3 short of a complete redo.

[Rudy Lis]

tvman099 wrote...

An apology would be meaningless. The problems with ME3 go far beyond the ending and even though the EC made the ending less horrifically bad, nothing can fix ME3 short of a complete redo.

There is no such thing that cannot be fixed with couple of exploding helicopters and nukes.

[FOX216BC]

The EC destroy ending should have a great scene with Shepard instaed of that they kept the breat scene.
So no a apology is not nessecary a destroy ending with more Shepard (high ems) however is.

Modifié par FOX216BC, 21 septembre 2012 - 09:30 .

[Mordak55]

CronoDragoon wrote...

The only thing they might possibly owe an apology for is how wrong the pre-release marketing turned out to be. I think it would be hard for anyone to defend the "no ABC ending" or "rachni have a huge effect" statements.

I think the endings are crap, but thats my opinon. BW think they are fine, and thats their opinon, but I do think the pre launch statements were misleading, and thats what there should be an apology for. 

[inko1nsiderate]

 I thought I'd bring some actual thinking into this thread, as I saw quite a lot of not-thought being thrown around with respect to what sales and polls tell us about how much people loved/hated the game.

The claim:  the sample size of BSN makes the poll unreliable.

The margin of error of polls can be determined using this nifty article.  If we have random sampling, then I calculate the linked poll (wtih 652 respondents) as having a margin of error of 1.8%.  So, sample size actually doesn't matter that much for the results of the poll.  

If there is any bias in BSN polling, it is from the fact that the sample isn't a random sample.


The claim:  ME3 sold poorly, and that is why the price was dropped.


I am looking at Xbox only for simplicity, as the bulk of the sales were on this platform.  I will also be looking at just the USA because I'm lazy and you can see ME3 outsells ME2 on all weeks on Xbox in Europe by inspection.

http://www.vgchartz....s-effect-2/USA/ 
http://www.vgchartz....s-effect-3/USA/ 

According to these charts ME3 had a larger week 2 drop off compared to ME2, but only slightly, and that ME3 still sold more units throughout the year than ME2.  

Four weeks after release, ME2 and ME3 sold about the same amount.  Six weeks ME3 was selling only slightly more than ME2 was at that same time. At 9 weeks ME3 was selling nearly tripple what ME2 was. Ten weeks after the release of ME3, it was selling double what ME2 was.

Week 2 on:


Minus week 1 sells, ME3 sold 431,707 copies, and ME2 sold 362,360 copies.

Week 4 on:

Minus weeks 1,2, and 3 ME3 sold 195,550 copies, and ME2 sold 136,662 copies. 

Comparing Week 4+ sales with Week 2 sales:

ME3 sold 35,133 more copies in week 4+ than it did in week 2, and ME1 sold 3,227 less copies in week 4+ than it did in week 2.

There is no point when ME3 sold less total copies in a week than ME2 in Europe, and only Weeks 3 and 4 are weak in the US (once again, only looking at Xbox).


ME3 sold more copies in its first year, and more copies in the first 10 weeks, than ME2 on the XBOX, and ME3 hasn't even been out a full year.  Even if we correct for week 1 sales, ME3 still sold more copies.  If ME2 sold well, then ME3 sold even better.


Found price trackers:

http://camelcamelcam...duct/B001VJ4DHK 
http://camelcamelcam...duct/B004FYKWZU 

It looks like around 1 month after ME2 release the price dropped by 15-25 dollars (really hard to tell exactly) and ME3 dropped by 20 dollars in a similar time period after release.  This is for the PC of course, and I have no idea how accurate this thing is.  Both seem to have a dip at about 1 month, and then rebound by ~10ish dollars a few weeks later.  So it is hard to really see a qualitative difference in pricing fluctuations between the two from this graph (after you account for the difference in the time axis).

Modifié par inko1nsiderate, 21 septembre 2012 - 10:24 .

[Argolas]

Since the ending is not going to be fixed, the only apology I would accept is a brilliant new ME game.

[Ossborn76]

The only apology I accept from Bioware are new endings!

Modifié par Ossborn76, 21 septembre 2012 - 10:37 .

[RiptideX1090]

The damage is done. But I might regain some respect for Bioware if they at least apologized to us for the mess of PR, and all the damn lying they did to us, if nothing else.

Also for hiring people like Mister Silverman. Seriously, that guy makes my blood boil.

And, you know, for shipping a game without an ending, and then giving us more of what was presented, but is still a thematically broken mess.

Again, it won't fix anything, but they might gain some respect for at least being able to admit their screw ups.

[Discouraged_one]

It wouldn't look good on the media for Bioware (or EA) to openly apologize for delivering a poor quality product...I think.

Modifié par Discouraged_one, 21 septembre 2012 - 11:34 .

[RiptideX1090]

Discouraged_one wrote...

It wouldn't look good on the media for Bioware (or EA) to openly apologize for delivering a poor quality product...I think.

It looks worse for them to look like a pack of liars. Seriously, we were told multiple bare faced lies by the devs. Casey saying there would be no ABC endings for example. There's a thread somewhere around here filled with them.

Then there's the ending, which even after EC remains a mess.

[darthoptimus003]

Ossborn76 wrote...

The only apology I accept from Bioware are new endings!

same

[Dubozz]

Remove Catalyst. Revamp Priority Earth. Destroy as canon. Victory.

[wunsleh]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Hudathan wrote...

wunsleh wrote...

please keep talking about how we are a 'vocal minority', every social page i've visited so far showed me otherwise.

Retakemasseffect 64.504
support bioware page: 609

If you really want to go down that road, at the moment there are officially 1,369,900 likes for the official Mass Effect Facebook page.

That's not an ME3 facebook page.

So... really?

that and the fact that there RMe member also liked that page so give or take a few ^^

and let's not forget Holdtheline.com:D

[Ezlo86]

I'm quite surprised that people are seriously expecting an apology from Bioware. Santa does not exist you know. You know what you'll get? A brand new game in about 3 years. The way you tell them to screw themselves is not buying it. That's how you vote.

But you know what? You will. Sorry.

[Rudy Lis]

Ezlo86 wrote...

You will. Sorry.

I will what, exactly?

[fil009]

It would go lightyears for me. My main gripe is how rushed ME3 felt towards the end. It puts doubt in my mind for other Bioware titles.

[Ezlo86]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Ezlo86 wrote...

You will. Sorry.

I will what, exactly?

Please carefully re-read my previous post, thank you.

[Rudy Lis]

Ezlo86 wrote...

Please carefully re-read my previous post, thank you.

But I did that! 
Thrice, in fact.

I have my suspicions, that you were hinting on possibility that regardless of our bickering here, we still purchase their next game, but I'm not sure. Foreign language, insomnia, general stupidity and all that.