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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Reaper dodging? easy. You just scan everything in the system, then they catch you, and you know where everything is and you can plan out where you go first, and where to scan first, so you don't get caught. Simple. Not a problem at all. Just one or two quick reloads.

[AresKeith]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Hacketts speech reminded me a bit of Pullman's speech actually.

part of me still thinks Bioware wanted to do a Independence Day type ending but couldn't. Especially after that speech lol

[Mcfly616]

Pullmans speech was bit more charismatic.....and cheesy lol

[eddieoctane]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

I will never understand people who can look at the ending and the EC and honestly believe it's good.

would you have preferred an 'Independence Day' ending?

Not necessarily. Shep could still have died. But not leaving everyone in the stone age would have been cool. Self-sacrifice is usually embraced in a narrative. The lack of victory is not.

I think the Independence Day was too American of a film for the art majors over at BioWare. Heroes win, bad guys lose, world moves on. There was an article floating around about how Americans don't accept defeat (which there may be a measure of truth to, though democracy in the modern world has been dependent on the US always winning, so maybe the can't-lose attitude is justified). It's an issue of BioWare not understanding their audience.

[Dendio1]

munkyboy04 wrote...

I've just finished my first play through of mass effect from game one ( yeah I know I'm a bit late to the party but hey ho). I knew there was some controversy about the ending so I approached it with some caution but wow, I loved it. I've never had a game make me cry before. But this one did I'm not afraid to admit it. 

As I've been avoiding all info about the 'horrible' ending I'm not sure what the main complaints are. Shepard saves the universe from complete destruction. brilliant.

Maybe it helped that I played leviathan before seeing the end? And I'm not sure what the extended cut added but I am sure there was no need for the stuck on pictures at the end.

Thankyou Bioware for my most favourite series of games I have ever played (including mario from back in the day)? I shall now crack on with the multiplayer and I look forward to Omega.

The game is great. Some people on these boards have trained themselves to hate it. It is what it is

Modifié par Dendio1, 20 septembre 2012 - 09:06 .

[Momiji.mii]

Glad you liked the games! Welcome to the controversy.

I finished the game a week or so after the game was released and had sort of seen that there was grublings in among the fans (I stayed clear of the forum to avoid spoilers), so I was also at a loss as to why people were upset. I checked it out afterwards and drew the conclusion that everything that I loved, others seemed to hate. I think it just goes to show that taste aren't uniform.

But I do really think that Leviathan was a good addition that seeded the revelations about the catalyst and the reapers earlier in the game, making it less of a shock and giving it time to sink in before reaching the end of the trilogy. Most stories need some kind of foreshadowing if the conclusion contains such a big "flipping everything you know on its head"-moment, and Leviathan makes the game better for doing so imo.

[Baa Baa]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

I will never understand people who can look at the ending and the EC and honestly believe it's good.

would you have preferred an 'Independence Day' ending?

I was thinking more along the lines of "The Dark Knight Rises"

Ah that's funny you say that. Because the breathe scene is essentially the same exact thing as tge ending scene in TDKR.....only difference is that you see his face.

What's wrong? You wanted Shepard to be sitting in a Cafe with your L.I.? Is that it? Lol

Besides, critically, TDKR was Christopher Nolans worst movie he's ever done(granted, most of his movies are amazing, so the bar is set quite high). It was a fitting conclusion to the trilogy, but hardly better than mediocre overall. And the ending? What a cliched 'happy-go-lucky' conclusion. I'm sure you wouldve hated it had that Disney scene not been thrown in right before the credits.

Thanks for letting me know your point of view though. I completely understand your perspective on things now.....

No, the Legacy part of the ending is what I'm talking about, not the happy "rainbows" ending. I'm the kind of person who generally prefers depressing endings like Requiem for a Dream, The Elephant Man, or The Mist (some of my favorite movie endings), and I wouldn't have even had a problem with Shepard dying at the end of every ending, just as long as his death meant something. Shepard's death doesn't have any meaning though. You betray your allies then you're regarded as a hero, that is not the kind of thing a heroic character does.
And I would have actually been fine with Bruce dying at the end of the movie and Blake going into the cave. Either way I would have found the end extremely powerful.
So no, the problem for me is not the "it wasn't happy enough," the problem is that you feel as if you've become the antagonist of the story. Which could of course work in a single game, but not in a trilogy where you have to work for a hundred hours to reach the conclusion.
And that's hilarious that you think TDKR is mediocre yet you put ME3 on a pedestal.

[jakal66]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

I will never understand people who can look at the ending and the EC and honestly believe it's good.

would you have preferred an 'Independence Day' ending?

An Independence Day ending makes any story better. How much better would rom coms be if Will Smith busted in with one-liners blowing up starships? Bill Pullman speeches ftw!

hahahaha god this guy explains why so many haters friggin retarded.Yeah let's have ID4 ending cuz it wazzz fuuunn
! BTW I hope you were being ironic...

[AlanC9]

eddieoctane wrote...
I think the Independence Day was too American of a film for the art majors over at BioWare. Heroes win, bad guys lose, world moves on. There was an article floating around about how Americans don't accept defeat (which there may be a measure of truth to, though democracy in the modern world has been dependent on the US always winning, so maybe the can't-lose attitude is justified). It's an issue of BioWare not understanding their audience.

Yeah, they did overestimate us a bit.

[Mcfly616]

Baa Baa wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

I will never understand people who can look at the ending and the EC and honestly believe it's good.

would you have preferred an 'Independence Day' ending?

I was thinking more along the lines of "The Dark Knight Rises"

Ah that's funny you say that. Because the breathe scene is essentially the same exact thing as tge ending scene in TDKR.....only difference is that you see his face.

What's wrong? You wanted Shepard to be sitting in a Cafe with your L.I.? Is that it? Lol

Besides, critically, TDKR was Christopher Nolans worst movie he's ever done(granted, most of his movies are amazing, so the bar is set quite high). It was a fitting conclusion to the trilogy, but hardly better than mediocre overall. And the ending? What a cliched 'happy-go-lucky' conclusion. I'm sure you wouldve hated it had that Disney scene not been thrown in right before the credits.

Thanks for letting me know your point of view though. I completely understand your perspective on things now.....

No, the Legacy part of the ending is what I'm talking about, not the happy "rainbows" ending. I'm the kind of person who generally prefers depressing endings like Requiem for a Dream, The Elephant Man, or The Mist (some of my favorite movie endings), and I wouldn't have even had a problem with Shepard dying at the end of every ending, just as long as his death meant something. Shepard's death doesn't have any meaning though. You betray your allies then you're regarded as a hero, that is not the kind of thing a heroic character does.
And I would have actually been fine with Bruce dying at the end of the movie and Blake going into the cave. Either way I would have found the end extremely powerful.
So no, the problem for me is not the "it wasn't happy enough," the problem is that you feel as if you've become the antagonist of the story. Which could of course work in a single game, but not in a trilogy where you have to work for a hundred hours to reach the conclusion.
And that's hilarious that you think TDKR is mediocre yet you put ME3 on a pedestal.

"legacy"?


"....meant something"? Lol


You're right. Shepard only did something that nobody has ever been able to do in the history of the galaxy. He only gave everybody an actual future for the first time in eons. He only provided a new beginning where anything is possible.....something that would've never happened without him. You're right, that 'means nothing'.....and being the savior of the galaxy and the only one to break the cycle, you're right again....that's not a 'legacy' at all. Lol

And I never betrayed anybody....sorry you view it that way.


And TDKR was mediocre. Doesn't even come close to any of Nolans other films.....none of them. (inception, memento.....and even the previous Batman films. It doesn't even compare to Batman Begins and especially not The Dark Knight)


It's funny you say that though, Batman seemingly sacrifices himself to save Gotham and give everybody a new beginning......sounds familiar

[eddieoctane]

llbountyhunter wrote...

leviathan, im pretty sure leviathan made the endings better. there they foreshadowed the star-brat a bit.

for the rest of us we got no mention of this and than glowing reaper-AI just comes out of nowhere (in the last five minutes) and trumps the reapers as the main threat, and completely ruins the entire mass effect series.

still think he should be scrapped completely.

Retroactive foreshadowing is like a retroactive retirement. Romney still violated SEC regulations, he just pretends it's all ok by trying to change history. Except you can't change history. The catalyst AI was an asspull, and Leviathan can't change that fact.

[clarkusdarkus]

Ruined the Franchise wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

i remember reading something like this a few weeks ago with exactly the same title and exactly the same message

I actually trust comments like that^

They usually are correct from my experience.

As soon as i seen the title i knew id read it a few weeks ago, surprised a few others havent noticed

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Dendio1 wrote...

munkyboy04 wrote...

I've just finished my first play through of mass effect from game one ( yeah I know I'm a bit late to the party but hey ho). I knew there was some controversy about the ending so I approached it with some caution but wow, I loved it. I've never had a game make me cry before. But this one did I'm not afraid to admit it. 

As I've been avoiding all info about the 'horrible' ending I'm not sure what the main complaints are. Shepard saves the universe from complete destruction. brilliant.

Maybe it helped that I played leviathan before seeing the end? And I'm not sure what the extended cut added but I am sure there was no need for the stuck on pictures at the end.

Thankyou Bioware for my most favourite series of games I have ever played (including mario from back in the day)? I shall now crack on with the multiplayer and I look forward to Omega.

The game is great. Some people on these boards have trained themselves to hate it. It is what it is

This.

[SMheatstroke23]

 Dear OP- I agree with you! Haha. With Leviathon and EC added on, I love it. Add on all the future content they'll be releasing and I bet people will slowly stop the hate.

[N7 Lisbeth]

munkyboy04 wrote...

I've just finished my first play through of mass effect from game one ( yeah I know I'm a bit late to the party but hey ho). I knew there was some controversy about the ending so I approached it with some caution but wow, I loved it. I've never had a game make me cry before. But this one did I'm not afraid to admit it. 

As I've been avoiding all info about the 'horrible' ending I'm not sure what the main complaints are. Shepard saves the universe from complete destruction. brilliant.

Maybe it helped that I played leviathan before seeing the end? And I'm not sure what the extended cut added but I am sure there was no need for the stuck on pictures at the end.

Thankyou Bioware for my most favourite series of games I have ever played (including mario from back in the day)? I shall now crack on with the multiplayer and I look forward to Omega.

I guess it depends what you choose. Destroy is the most palatible and easiest to accept. If you chose Synthesis (the option they were strongarming you into if you listened to the Catalyst for more than 10 seconds) or Control, fundamentally I don't know how to explain to you past what you should already know what is wrong with them.

But the entire thing wraps up in a huge circle of flawed logic. Let me present you with the whole reason why people were upset with a picture (worth a thousand words or not, it sums up the situation nicely).



That's the whole basis behind the Reapers killing everyone.

Most people pick Destroy, despite the genocide involved, because they know that such a war is not inevitable, that in fact they just stopped such a thing from occuring, and because we don't want to fundamentally indoctrinate every organic being. Except by choosing Destroy, you cause the next Synthetic-Organic war, as Synthetics will strike first when they realise you killed off your allies. That was solely added on, e.g., the Geth being wiped out, just as a means of punishing the player. There's actually no reason for the Geth to use Reaper tech.

Edit: By the way, Munkyboy04... do you feel lucky? Well, do ya? Roll for initiative... https://www.youtube....g337Imvlc#t=84s

Modifié par N7 Lisbeth, 20 septembre 2012 - 10:00 .

[AlanC9]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Reaper dodging? easy. You just scan everything in the system, then they catch you, and you know where everything is and you can plan out where you go first, and where to scan first, so you don't get caught. Simple. Not a problem at all. Just one or two quick reloads.

Reloads on my PC are kinda slow. I'm much better off actually being competent.

[Revthejedi]

ME3 is a great game, but a terrible way to end a trilogy.

[AlanC9]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...
But the entire thing wraps up in a huge circle of flawed logic. Let me present you with the whole reason why people were upset with a picture (worth a thousand words or not, it sums up the situation nicely).

Sure. The Catalyst was a crazy AI programmed with bad premises. This is about as traditional as it gets in sci-fi.

[Baa Baa]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

I will never understand people who can look at the ending and the EC and honestly believe it's good.

would you have preferred an 'Independence Day' ending?

I was thinking more along the lines of "The Dark Knight Rises"

Ah that's funny you say that. Because the breathe scene is essentially the same exact thing as tge ending scene in TDKR.....only difference is that you see his face.

What's wrong? You wanted Shepard to be sitting in a Cafe with your L.I.? Is that it? Lol

Besides, critically, TDKR was Christopher Nolans worst movie he's ever done(granted, most of his movies are amazing, so the bar is set quite high). It was a fitting conclusion to the trilogy, but hardly better than mediocre overall. And the ending? What a cliched 'happy-go-lucky' conclusion. I'm sure you wouldve hated it had that Disney scene not been thrown in right before the credits.

Thanks for letting me know your point of view though. I completely understand your perspective on things now.....

No, the Legacy part of the ending is what I'm talking about, not the happy "rainbows" ending. I'm the kind of person who generally prefers depressing endings like Requiem for a Dream, The Elephant Man, or The Mist (some of my favorite movie endings), and I wouldn't have even had a problem with Shepard dying at the end of every ending, just as long as his death meant something. Shepard's death doesn't have any meaning though. You betray your allies then you're regarded as a hero, that is not the kind of thing a heroic character does.
And I would have actually been fine with Bruce dying at the end of the movie and Blake going into the cave. Either way I would have found the end extremely powerful.
So no, the problem for me is not the "it wasn't happy enough," the problem is that you feel as if you've become the antagonist of the story. Which could of course work in a single game, but not in a trilogy where you have to work for a hundred hours to reach the conclusion.
And that's hilarious that you think TDKR is mediocre yet you put ME3 on a pedestal.

"legacy"?


"....meant something"? Lol


You're right. Shepard only did something that nobody has ever been able to do in the history of the galaxy. He only gave everybody an actual future for the first time in eons. He only provided a new beginning where anything is possible.....something that would've never happened without him. You're right, that 'means nothing'.....and being the savior of the galaxy and the only one to break the cycle, you're right again....that's not a 'legacy' at all. Lol

And I never betrayed anybody....sorry you view it that way.


And TDKR was mediocre. Doesn't even come close to any of Nolans other films.....none of them. (inception, memento.....and even the previous Batman films. It doesn't even compare to Batman Begins and especially not The Dark Knight)


It's funny you say that though, Batman seemingly sacrifices himself to save Gotham and give everybody a new beginning......sounds familiar

He doesn't kill his friends (Destroy), betray his friends (Anderson in Control), change everyone's DNA forever at the end, or let them all die in the process.
And I still find it funny that you think TDKR was mediocre when you put ME3 on a pedestal. I could at least understand if you didn't like either one.

[NM_Che56]

munkyboy04 wrote...
I've just finished my first play through of mass effect from game one ( yeah I know I'm a bit late to the party but hey ho). I knew there was some controversy about the ending so I approached it with some caution but wow, I loved it. I've never had a game make me cry before. But this one did I'm not afraid to admit it. 
As I've been avoiding all info about the 'horrible' ending I'm not sure what the main complaints are. Shepard saves the universe from complete destruction. brilliant.
Maybe it helped that I played leviathan before seeing the end? And I'm not sure what the extended cut added but I am sure there was no need for the stuck on pictures at the end.
Thankyou Bioware for my most favourite series of games I have ever played (including mario from back in the day)? I shall now crack on with the multiplayer and I look forward to Omega.

even w/o Leviathan it was great.  PRE- EC...not so much.

That said, I echo your sentiments and I'm glad there is a positive post for a damn change

[webhead921]

munkyboy04 wrote...

I've just finished my first play through of mass effect from game one ( yeah I know I'm a bit late to the party but hey ho). I knew there was some controversy about the ending so I approached it with some caution but wow, I loved it. I've never had a game make me cry before. But this one did I'm not afraid to admit it. 

As I've been avoiding all info about the 'horrible' ending I'm not sure what the main complaints are. Shepard saves the universe from complete destruction. brilliant.

Maybe it helped that I played leviathan before seeing the end? And I'm not sure what the extended cut added but I am sure there was no need for the stuck on pictures at the end.

Thankyou Bioware for my most favourite series of games I have ever played (including mario from back in the day)? I shall now crack on with the multiplayer and I look forward to Omega.

Welcome to the party!  Glad you loved it!

[fil009]

The original ending without EC and Leviathan was just  WHAT THE FU*headexplodes*  for me.

Modifié par fil009, 20 septembre 2012 - 10:25 .

[eddieoctane]

Mcfly616 wrote...

*snip*


You're right. Shepard only did something that nobody has ever been able to do in the history of the galaxy. He only gave everybody an actual future for the first time in eons. He only provided a new beginning where anything is possible.....something that would've never happened without him. You're right, that 'means nothing'.....and being the savior of the galaxy and the only one to break the cycle, you're right again....that's not a 'legacy' at all. Lol

Wait, you mean space Jesus is entirely a new concept?

Also, Anderson's derp by not waiting for Shep once they wer both aboard the Citadel is what ensured that SHep was the only one to get to the Catalyst. had the Admiral who once served as the ME-universe of a Navy SEAL acted like one, the pair would have come across TIM together, promptly killed him, and

Shep being the only one to "save the galaxy" was caused by bad writing, manifested in a series of retarded actions by formerly intelligent, capable heroes. It was derp after derp that resulted in Shep saving the galaxy. A halfway competent commander could have gotten a small force on the Citadel and then things would have worked  out much better for everyone. But stupidity is somehow artistic.

AlanC9 wrote...

eddieoctane wrote...
I think the Independence Day was too American of a film for the art majors over at BioWare. Heroes win, bad guys lose, world moves on. There was an article floating around about how Americans don't accept defeat (which there may be a measure of truth to, though democracy in the modern world has been dependent on the US always winning, so maybe the can't-lose attitude is justified). It's an issue of BioWare not understanding their audience.

Yeah, they did overestimate us a bit.

I think its more of a matter of people being too willing to dismiss the fact that America had to fight and win from its birth. In the first half century of this nation's existence, it fought and won two wars against the preeminent world power of the time. That kind of ingrains itself in the American psyche. We win because we must. But hell, you can ignore how the us almost invariably wins its wars. You can also let fascists take over Europe, Africa, and Asia. Democracy has been consistently supported by the United States, which means freedom of speech, of religion, universal suffrage, all depended on the United States backing the nations seeking these basic rights. Maybe that's all just American exceptionalism, but the fact that England lost the Revolutionary War was rather exceptional in its time.

[Neizd]

I will only add this about ME3 plot... Enjoy

[Nelatherion]

munkyboy04 wrote...

I've just finished my first play through of mass effect from game one ( yeah I know I'm a bit late to the party but hey ho). I knew there was some controversy about the ending so I approached it with some caution but wow, I loved it. I've never had a game make me cry before. But this one did I'm not afraid to admit it. 

As I've been avoiding all info about the 'horrible' ending I'm not sure what the main complaints are. Shepard saves the universe from complete destruction. brilliant.

Maybe it helped that I played leviathan before seeing the end? And I'm not sure what the extended cut added but I am sure there was no need for the stuck on pictures at the end.

Thankyou Bioware for my most favourite series of games I have ever played (including mario from back in the day)? I shall now crack on with the multiplayer and I look forward to Omega.

*looks at the rest of the thread*

Ah God damn it.