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[GreyReaver]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

The OP is obviously a Reaper sympathizer.

Why? I haven't read the entire thread yet... did he pick, "Synthesis?"  I was curious what color ending he chose

[munkyboy04]

Lol I'm beginning to think I am. I think I may have been indoctrinated by playing too much mass effect. Is that possible? (Quickly switch on Xbox replay last level and pick destroy)

Modifié par munkyboy04, 21 septembre 2012 - 01:34 .

[Legion of 1337]

munkyboy04 wrote...

Lol what's wrong with universal harmony?

Legion of 1337 wrote...

munkyboy04 wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

This is as I predicted: for whatever reason (rushed, intentionally cut out for profit, whatever), the explaination of the game's ending was not in the release version of the game. DLC is now apparently going to rectify that. I predicted that anyone who hadn't played the release version, who was expecting something as awesome as ME2 (like we all were), and who got all the DLC before playing would not be shocked or horrified by the Catalyst's appearance, and it wouldn't appear to them as a last minute crammed-in, out of the blue contrivance. Synthesis is still stupid, but most people with working brains don't pick that anyway. The ending would make sense to them, and they wouldn't understand the issue people have with it.

This proves it, and I absolutely guarantee that if all he DLC for ME3 had been put into the game on release, almost no one would have complained and we'd be calling it an absolute masterpiece. You can claim otherwise, but without that initial outrage that turned everyone into nitpickers and haters, we would have overlooked the plot holes that still exist because everything else would have been fine.

working brains? least I can think for myself.  I chose an ending to my game that I wanted. You gonna tell me how I should wipe my arse too? I only made the post to say thanks and that I enjoyed the game and I seem to have been called a liar an imposter and brainless . Christ its an opinion. The joys of the Internet. 

I should have stated that differently.

I personnally think Synthesis is so stupid that I have a really difficult time seeing how anyone thinks it's a good idea, other than a Hippie or something because they're all about that "universal harmony" kind of thing. I know every has an opinion but the whole idea is not only stupid to me but it doesn' even make sense how it's possible for the Crucible to cause it. And it breaks entirely with the theme of the series : so, what, now at the end, after fighting the Reapers all this time, you're just gonna go along with their plan? Impose it upon everyone because some crazy AI thinks it should be?

It makes the entire universe effectively the same. It's boring. Everyone is the same kind of life, everyone thinks similarly, and furthermore, its being imposed one EVERYONE because ONE GUY and an insane AI think it's a good idea. You effectively turn everyone in the universe into different people - I'm pretty sure they never asked for it, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't consent to it, and I don't think it's right to impose it on everyone because of the opinion of two people.

[munkyboy04]

Just another question then, is there a right/correct ending to mass effect?

[Ieldra]

munkyboy04 wrote...

Lol what's wrong with universal harmony?

People here will tell you it's an artificial harmony enforced by "space magic" and brainwashing rather than a natural result of ending the war by making peace and gaining considerably in knowledge and understanding. Also too many people assume it's meant to be really universal and eternal which there is no indication of. It's a generally peaceful galaxy, no doubt some small-scale conflicts exist, but they don't matter for the big picture at this time. It is a golden age, which is a good thing. It may last 100 years or 50000 years, but it will eventually end. That doesn't make it less desirable.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 septembre 2012 - 01:43 .

[Ieldra]

munkyboy04 wrote...
Just another question then, is there a right/correct ending to mass effect?

No. Though many people will try to bring you to accept their "X is the only option" philosophy. This is most likely with Destroy supporters.

It is rumored that Synthesis will be canon for any ME games set after ME3, but that's a rumor with very little evidence and it doesn't mean it's better than the other endings (though of course I think so).

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 septembre 2012 - 01:44 .

[JimJamBimBam]

munkyboy04 wrote...

Just another question then, is there a right/correct ending to mass effect?

No, man, there isn't. Whichever ending you like best is the one for you, you don't need to worry about one being better than another, despite what many people would tell you.

[Legion of 1337]

Ieldra2 wrote...

munkyboy04 wrote...

Lol what's wrong with universal harmony?

People here will tell you it's an artificial harmony enforced by "space magic" and brainwashing rather than a natural result of ending the war by making peace and gaining considerably in knowledge and understanding. Also too many people assume it's meant to be really universal and eternal which there is no indication of. It's a generally peaceful galaxy, no doubt some small-scale conflicts exist, but they don't matter for the big picture at this time. It is a golden age, which is a good thing. It may last 100 years or 50000 years, but it will eventually end. That doesn't make it less desirable.

If you value peace over freedom then yeah I suppose.

However, I don't much care for being turned into a cyborg without consent.

[Ieldra]

Legion of 1337 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

munkyboy04 wrote...

Lol what's wrong with universal harmony?

People here will tell you it's an artificial harmony enforced by "space magic" and brainwashing rather than a natural result of ending the war by making peace and gaining considerably in knowledge and understanding. Also too many people assume it's meant to be really universal and eternal which there is no indication of. It's a generally peaceful galaxy, no doubt some small-scale conflicts exist, but they don't matter for the big picture at this time. It is a golden age, which is a good thing. It may last 100 years or 50000 years, but it will eventually end. That doesn't make it less desirable.

If you value peace over freedom then yeah I suppose.

However, I don't much care for being turned into a cyborg without consent.

Other than making a change in biochemistry that facilitates integration of technology (and nothing else), there is no infringement on your freedom.

[munkyboy04]

JimJamBimBam wrote...

munkyboy04 wrote...

Just another question then, is there a right/correct ending to mass effect?

No, man, there isn't. Whichever ending you like best is the one for you, you don't need to worry about one being better than another, despite what many people would tell you.

im just surprised to hear so many people saying I'd picked the wrong end because of this that and that...to me the whole point of ME are the choices. And the choices being made since the first game and that's how I played, and that's how my shep made his choice.

the cool thing is I have 2 other sheps that are going to make different desicions. Hooray for mass effect

[Ieldra]

munkyboy04 wrote...
the cool thing is I have 2 other sheps that are going to make different desicions. Hooray for mass effect

That's how it should be. The Extended Cut endings are all rather good, really. They create a very different galaxy and all have their special mood. It's definitely desirable to see them all. Also, there are several variations of Control with the main fork set by your Paragon/Renegade balance. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 septembre 2012 - 01:54 .

[Ztrobos]

munkyboy04 wrote...

JimJamBimBam wrote...

munkyboy04 wrote...

Just another question then, is there a right/correct ending to mass effect?

No, man, there isn't. Whichever ending you like best is the one for you, you don't need to worry about one being better than another, despite what many people would tell you.

im just surprised to hear so many people saying I'd picked the wrong end because of this that and that...to me the whole point of ME are the choices. And the choices being made since the first game and that's how I played, and that's how my shep made his choice.

the cool thing is I have 2 other sheps that are going to make different desicions. Hooray for mass effect

. 

The point of ME ARE the choices, yes.
But you will find that the forums are all about convincing others that you made the right one. 

[munkyboy04]

Hmm a pointless exercise surely as the only choice you can make is the sum of the game you have played. Therefore there is only right endings. If you see what I mean ie it's all about choice. That's what mass effect is about

Modifié par munkyboy04, 21 septembre 2012 - 02:03 .

[Podge 90]

Accepts the flaws and chooses Synethesis. Isn't that the definition of a Bio-Drone?

lol i jokez. But I srs too.

EDIT - rofl at bio d r o n e being censored.  Touched a nerve, Bioware?

Modifié par Podge 90, 21 septembre 2012 - 02:08 .

[GreyReaver]

eddieoctane wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

eddieoctane wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Xellith wrote...

I wish I could look past the glaring errors in character, lore and plot too.

You mean the ones not there.

Only if you're oblivious

It was only an error if you did read the codex.

So the game only has glaring faults if you pay attention to little details like the in-game infobank? Good to know.

I meant "didn't read."

Retconning? Who do you think you are? Casey Hudson?

OMFG!!!! I nearly choked to death on my coffee and spitting across my laptop and coffee table.

What a disaster; yes, to both, the game ending and coffee spitting! But, the comment about hudson was priceless!

[GreyReaver]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

GreyReaver wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

The OP is obviously a Reaper sympathizer.

Why? I haven't read the entire thread yet... did he pick, "Synthesis?"

Yes.

Barf....

[Ztrobos]

Oh, and complaining over the fact that ME is'nt the perfect, flawless game that would eliminate the need for any future computer game and destroy the industry. Thats big around here too.

Please, stay a while.

[GreyLycanTrope]

munkyboy04 wrote...

Hmm a pointless exercise surely as the only choice you can make is the sum of the game you have played. Therefore there is only right endings. If you see what I mean ie it's all about choice. That's what mass effect is about

I never understood the obsession with people trying to make their ending canon, there isn't supposed to be a canon ending.

[B.Shep]

munkyboy04 wrote...

I've just finished my first play through of mass effect from game one ( yeah I know I'm a bit late to the party but hey ho). I knew there was some controversy about the ending so I approached it with some caution but wow, I loved it. I've never had a game make me cry before. But this one did I'm not afraid to admit it. 

As I've been avoiding all info about the 'horrible' ending I'm not sure what the main complaints are. Shepard saves the universe from complete destruction. brilliant.

Maybe it helped that I played leviathan before seeing the end? And I'm not sure what the extended cut added but I am sure there was no need for the stuck on pictures at the end.

Thankyou Bioware for my most favourite series of games I have ever played (including mario from back in the day)? I shall now crack on with the multiplayer and I look forward to Omega.

Good for you my friend, I also liked the EC and Leviathan a lot..
I just wish I had not seen the original endings.

[GreyReaver]

munkyboy04 wrote...

Just another question then, is there a right/correct ending to mass effect?

Answer: There isn't one!

Destroy: Genocide, as you sacrifice an entire race you just helped save while bringing peace to both the Quarians and Geth.  Not to mention EDI whom just told you that it was you that made her feel alive.

Control: Exchange, StarBrat for Shreaper.  If StarBrat's faulty programming is any indication of Shreapers new found logic it won't be long before it starts harvesting dissenting opinions along with the rest of the Universe.

Synthesis: How does Shepard give consent for ALL organic and synthetic matter?  It's really one big synthetic, genetic DNA Rapefest.

Refuse: This is probably the least objectionable ending.  Although, wait, everyone dies. Bummer.  Oh well, as a conselation prize, I like Shepards speech before flipping the bird at both Bioware and the ridicules StarBrat then turning all advanced life including him/herself into Reaper Goo by refusing to go along with the final 10 minutes of plain jane color coded plot hole filled insanity bw called an ending to an otherwise excellent 120 hour trilogy.  It's like BW gave up and turned the ending over to 1000 monkeys typing on 1000 typewriters to finish the last 10 minutes of the game. Then tried to defend and justify the ending by taking the high-brow route and calling it, "art." Fine, the ending is a modern literary masterpiece of a steaming dookie on a fine Baccarat crystal plate, served up hot and fresh for the consuming public.

Modifié par GreyReaver, 21 septembre 2012 - 02:44 .

[GreyReaver]

Legion of 1337 wrote...

munkyboy04 wrote...

Lol what's wrong with universal harmony?

Legion of 1337 wrote...

munkyboy04 wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

This is as I predicted: for whatever reason (rushed, intentionally cut out for profit, whatever), the explaination of the game's ending was not in the release version of the game. DLC is now apparently going to rectify that. I predicted that anyone who hadn't played the release version, who was expecting something as awesome as ME2 (like we all were), and who got all the DLC before playing would not be shocked or horrified by the Catalyst's appearance, and it wouldn't appear to them as a last minute crammed-in, out of the blue contrivance. Synthesis is still stupid, but most people with working brains don't pick that anyway. The ending would make sense to them, and they wouldn't understand the issue people have with it.

This proves it, and I absolutely guarantee that if all he DLC for ME3 had been put into the game on release, almost no one would have complained and we'd be calling it an absolute masterpiece. You can claim otherwise, but without that initial outrage that turned everyone into nitpickers and haters, we would have overlooked the plot holes that still exist because everything else would have been fine.

working brains? least I can think for myself.  I chose an ending to my game that I wanted. You gonna tell me how I should wipe my arse too? I only made the post to say thanks and that I enjoyed the game and I seem to have been called a liar an imposter and brainless . Christ its an opinion. The joys of the Internet. 

I should have stated that differently.

I personnally think Synthesis is so stupid that I have a really difficult time seeing how anyone thinks it's a good idea, other than a Hippie or something because they're all about that "universal harmony" kind of thing. I know every has an opinion but the whole idea is not only stupid to me but it doesn' even make sense how it's possible for the Crucible to cause it. And it breaks entirely with the theme of the series : so, what, now at the end, after fighting the Reapers all this time, you're just gonna go along with their plan? Impose it upon everyone because some crazy AI thinks it should be?

It makes the entire universe effectively the same. It's boring. Everyone is the same kind of life, everyone thinks similarly, and furthermore, its being imposed one EVERYONE because ONE GUY and an insane AI think it's a good idea. You effectively turn everyone in the universe into different people - I'm pretty sure they never asked for it, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't consent to it, and I don't think it's right to impose it on everyone because of the opinion of two people.

Well said, Hear! Hear!

[stonbw1]

Ieldra2 wrote...

munkyboy04 wrote...
Just another question then, is there a right/correct ending to mass effect?

No. Though many people will try to bring you to accept their "X is the only option" philosophy. This is most likely with Destroy supporters.

It is rumored that Synthesis will be canon for any ME games set after ME3, but that's a rumor with very little evidence and it doesn't mean it's better than the other endings (though of course I think so).

I'm still hoping that they scrap this idea unless it is wholly-separate from Shepard/squadmates. As OP stated (and I agree), ME3 was an emotionally taxing game and in my opinion, provided a great ending for giving us a farewell to our squadmates/LI.  I'd like to leave it at that.

[eddieoctane]

hpjay wrote...

I'm just curious what particularly about the ending made you go WOW?  What scenes got you and why?  Often people will say how great the ending was but provide few details about what it was they actually liked.  Granted, that is a hard thing to do.  So what where the wow moments at the end and what part almost made you cry.

For me there were two "powerful" moments at the end.  One good, one bad.  The first was both pre and post EC.  It was when Shepard and Anderson were finished with the TIM and had seemed to finish the mission. It was the line "best seats in the house" uttered as the heros sunk to the floor, spent but victorious.  It was a good emotional anchor.  The heros who started the whole thing in ME1 were the ones who were seeing it finished at the end of ME3.   I liked it.  Allot.

The other was the last minute Normandy rescue of your squad mates as you ran to the beam.  I had Javik with me and it was heart wrenching to have to tell him 'NO YUO, GET OFF THE BATTLEFIELD!"  The look on his face was perfect, his plea, "But I can still fight"  a perfectly realized sentiment.  Unfortuately for me it showed the ridiculousness of the idea of the last minute pickup.  Really, I could have made it to the beam by then if we hadn't stopped for the rescue.  I wanted to see someone survive?  Well the whole squad did survive so thats kind of a weird sentiment.  Why not just have those two NOT show up on the jungle planet and the other end scenes.  That would have been easier and made more scence than the last minute rescue.

Anyway,  what were the wow moments and what almost made you cry?

Thanks

If the Crucible went off after "best seats in the house", SHepard could have died and the game would have been great. Given how dark energy was dropped as a plotline, I don't see why we couldn't drop the "intelligent" aspect of the Citadel as well. It would have been touching, bittersweet, and provided that sense of victory people want from an action game. Then suddenly we go up the down elevator realize gravit was flipped aroudn the entire time we were on the Citadel, and meet the real bad guy. It's never a good idea to introduce a new antagonist 5 minutes before the end of a movie, or in the last handful of pages in a book. Games are still narrative media, and the same narrative rules apply. Everything could have ended so well if we died sitting there with Anderson. Most people would have said it was more artistic than stealing the ending to Deus Ex as well.