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[Gabey5]

So it seems like that is where this 3rd game is heading to me at least . Since we have had hints that 'change is coming', that could mean a Continent expanding conflict. Since the first march was against Teveinter and the mages are now running wild, this is the perfect brew for a conflict Tevinter and Orlais and all other believers.

Since the wardens are stationed all over and have armed forces in most countries they could have some impact on the future if they get involved. The Warden Commander arguably has some of the most  influence in the Order and may be able to seize power or influence them at Weisshaupt to get involved or not if he or she wished it. The Warden also holds much land in Ferelden depending upon how you played it and can sway the King or Queen you appointed.

I know this is highly speculative but it is all we can do at this point.


So what would your warden do, if he or she emerges from the rock they are under and is asked to give up tthe mages in the wardens. Seek out Anders [if he lives] and seek out this new mage force? Or Keep Ferelden out of the conflict and olnly attack defensively. Or join Tevinter or Orlais in there war?

Modifié par Gabey5, 20 septembre 2012 - 08:29 .

[b09boy]

What would my Warden do? Stay out of the conflict. Grey Wardens are concerned with the darkspawn and anything related to that. Conflicts between countries or organizations are none of their business unless it gets in the way of their business.

[Gabey5]

b09boy wrote...

What would my Warden do? Stay out of the conflict. Grey Wardens are concerned with the darkspawn and anything related to that. Conflicts between countries or organizations are none of their business unless it gets in the way of their business.

And if asked to give up your mages?

[Vilegrim]

Gabey5 wrote...

b09boy wrote...

What would my Warden do? Stay out of the conflict. Grey Wardens are concerned with the darkspawn and anything related to that. Conflicts between countries or organizations are none of their business unless it gets in the way of their business.

And if asked to give up your mages?

They say 'no'. Then conscript every king involved, (the kings could refuse, but as oath-breakers they would be dead men walking, as soon as a King breaks oath his nobles start fearing for their necks, because all the relationships are oath based)

Modifié par Vilegrim, 20 septembre 2012 - 08:33 .

[gangly369]

The Wardens would have no business with this, unless a blight suddenly started. And if the Templars asked the Wardens to give up their mages, the Wardens will just laugh and walk away. Seriously, with the 5th blight having ended so recently, the Templars and everyone else in Thedas were reminded just how important the Grey Wardens are. Attacking the Wardens now would make them lose a lot of support, especially in Ferelden and the Anderfels.

If I were the Templars, I would simply just ignore the Grey Wardens. As is, mages joining the Grey Wardens could spell a death sentence just as quickly as facing the Templars, so mages won't exactly be running straight to the Wardens for protection anyways.

[Vandicus]

gangly369 wrote...

The Wardens would have no business with this, unless a blight suddenly started. And if the Templars asked the Wardens to give up their mages, the Wardens will just laugh and walk away. Seriously, with the 5th blight having ended so recently, the Templars and everyone else in Thedas were reminded just how important the Grey Wardens are. Attacking the Wardens now would make them lose a lot of support, especially in Ferelden and the Anderfels.

If I were the Templars, I would simply just ignore the Grey Wardens. As is, mages joining the Grey Wardens could spell a death sentence just as quickly as facing the Templars, so mages won't exactly be running straight to the Wardens for protection anyways.

QFT

Unless the leader of the Templars is crazier than Orsino and Meredith combined at the end of DA2 and also drunk while high on lyrium, he/she would definitely avoid going after the Wardens.

Moreover being a Grey Warden is a death sentence, and the Grey Wardens normally frown on blood magic as much as everyone else(as shown in the Origins Warden's keep DLC), and treat it as a very last resort or not an option at all(depending on the Warden). Course our Warden totally ignores any rules and restrictions. Not like anyone ever pays attention to him doing blood magic.

[b09boy]

Gabey5 wrote...

b09boy wrote...

What would my Warden do? Stay out of the conflict. Grey Wardens are concerned with the darkspawn and anything related to that. Conflicts between countries or organizations are none of their business unless it gets in the way of their business.

And if asked to give up your mages?

They say no.  Templars have no right to them and every country and organization in Thedas knows and accepts this as law.  If a templar attempted to force the matter, they'd no doubt be slaughtered.  If a war came of it, they'd be slaughtered as not only would they suddenly have the Wardens against them, but mages and who knows how many other countries aside from it and would be butchered.  They simply do not have the support to do it.

[Adrian68b]

"Unless the leader of the Templars is crazier than Orsino and Meredith combined at the end of DA2 and also drunk while high on lyrium, he/she would definitely avoid going after the Wardens."

Not if the mage in question is Anders. Say Anders returned to meet his old buddy Warden Commander. It seems (from the Awakening) that the record breaking escape artist Anders is long time No. 1 in every templar wish list. And after his stunt in Kirkwall he climbed to Number ZERO. I think it's the dream of every templar commander from all Thedas to use his head as a paperweight on his desk. Also, it seems that any templar enters a bersek state at the sight of a free mage, lyrium or not (Wesley's desired "reward" for Bethany after his rescue).

Seriously now, I agree with you. Unless he is backed by the entire Orlesian army, any clear thinking templar commander would avoid antagonizing the Hero of Ferelden, not because he could risk a reaction from every Grey Warden outpost, but because he has no chance. Besieging a dwarwen made fortress guarded by the Silver battalion and lead by the best fighters in Ferelden? It's a death wish.

[Soltan Heatwave]

The warderns wouldn't get involved in any wars or conflicts in any country or between any countries. If attacked, by really stupiid and fanatically crazy people, they would respond and basically obliterate the fool, especially if they attacked the Hero of Fereldon. Ask the Archdemon what happens when you attack him.

[Lurklen]

Could they stop an exalted march? They are a military order, but they aren't exactly an army. One of the whole points of DAO was that the Greywardens aren't the presence world wide they were a long time ago. For example the Orlesian Wardens couldn't push through Loghains forces and come and help defeat the Blight. If they couldn't do that(Something that is essentially their whole reason for being) how much of a difference could they make in a war that has the support of many Andrastian nations.

If they were a force to be reckoned with militarily wouldn't more of them have shown up to the party during the last blight? Frankly I just don't think there are enough of them to derail something as big as a crusade.

[Gabey5]

b09boy wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

b09boy wrote...

What would my Warden do? Stay out of the conflict. Grey Wardens are concerned with the darkspawn and anything related to that. Conflicts between countries or organizations are none of their business unless it gets in the way of their business.

And if asked to give up your mages?

They say no.  Templars have no right to them and every country and organization in Thedas knows and accepts this as law.  If a templar attempted to force the matter, they'd no doubt be slaughtered.  If a war came of it, they'd be slaughtered as not only would they suddenly have the Wardens against them, but mages and who knows how many other countries aside from it and would be butchered.  They simply do not have the support to do it.

Well it would not be just the templars though. If the Divine calls about all 'Andrastias' for a crusade to purge all  mages and uses the events of Kirkwall as a rallying cry. So it would not just be the Templars but any beleiver that could pick up a sword. Plus the Orlesian army who would happily join up if it means more power for the Empress. 

Ferelden is also pretty weak from the blight so it could not do to much against a full Exalted march from the the Templars, Seekers, Orlesian army, and others. So the wardens would be on their own as their numbers aren't the highest right now. 

So the Ferelden wardens have no threats within Ferelden but would be destroyed by an Exalted March if they refused to comply with commands.

Modifié par Gabey5, 21 septembre 2012 - 12:10 .

[Adrian68b]

"So the Ferelden wardens have no threats within Ferelden but would be destroyed by an Exalted March if they refused to comply with commands."

No Divine with brains would do that. First, the wardens recruit only a few mages. The typical number per outpost is ONE (DA:O lore). Second, with a Blight so fresh in memory, the prestige of the wardens is high again. A Divine could call for a rally of every believer, starting an Exalted March against mages, but not against Wardens. After entire Thedas was reminded of the vital/unique role of the Wardens in defeating a Blight, attempting to destroy the only defense against an Archdemon is something a non-fanatical believer would not accept.

Modifié par Adrian68b, 21 septembre 2012 - 08:53 .

[KENNY4753]

My Warden would go unite the Dalish clans and retake The Dales in all the choas lol

and then go and overthrow the First Warden because he seems like a real jerk, caring more about politics than anything.

[OfficerDonNZ]

Lurklen wrote...

Could they stop an exalted march? They are a military order, but they aren't exactly an army. One of the whole points of DAO was that the Greywardens aren't the presence world wide they were a long time ago. For example the Orlesian Wardens couldn't push through Loghains forces and come and help defeat the Blight. If they couldn't do that(Something that is essentially their whole reason for being) how much of a difference could they make in a war that has the support of many Andrastian nations. .

Reordin infers that the Orlesian Wardens and their support troops could have handed Logain his backside, the reason they didn't was they had bigger fish to fry (the archdemon) and couldn't risk wasiting their strengh on fighting a civil war.

Without an archdemon in the picture, the wardens, if prevoked could be something of a pain.

[Yevetha]

Its possible, but unlikely the wardens would intervene.

Though it is worth considering that the Wardens have intervened at least once before in nondarkspawn related events. Warden's vigil in DA:O.

Alternativly, The Chantry could declare an exalted march against the wardens for harboring blood mages. While rather implausible, people do strange things when pushed and the situstion gets beyond them. Or a series of esclations could lead to a frusterated Divine declaring a March.

[b09boy]

 

Lurklen wrote...

For example the Orlesian Wardens couldn't push through Loghains forces and come and help defeat the Blight. 

 

It's not exactly like it came to blows or anything.

Gabey5 wrote...

Well it would not be just the templars though. If the Divine calls about all 'Andrastias' for a crusade to purge all  mages 

First, she wouldn't.  Asunder showed her as much more reasonable than that.  Second, if she did, she would very quickly be eliminated or lose all support.  Mages are vital to the continued existence of Thedas, without whom the Qunari would sweep through the world without issue.

Yevetha wrote...

Though it is worth considering that the Wardens have intervened at least once before in nondarkspawn related events. Warden's vigil in DA:O.

Good example of why such a thing won't repeat itself.  That intervention was costly, exiling the Wardens from the region, costing them a number of troops, and bringing a lot of dishonor to the group.  Should also be mentioned, it's been said not all the Wardens followed Dryden, and abandoned her, and the region, after becoming involved.

[zambingo]

Realistically the Wardens should be under fire soon (and if we go by lore, it'd probably be "again").

Why?

They are a threat to other seats of power. The Wardens are governed by no one territory and follow no one territory's laws. The Wardens power will grow as long as they can justify whatever they do with an ill defined, "Umm, yeah, we need that. You know. Darkspawn. Yeah."

The Wardens will eventually be the ruling force of civilization or will be folded into the ruling force of civilization or foolishly exterminated. There is no way any power just watches them and let's them be.

[In Exile]

The Wardens cannot give up mages. They're key to the Joining. No mages, no new Grey Wardens. No new GW, then the blight overwhelms all of us.

Gabey5 wrote..
So what would your warden do, if he or she emerges from the rock they are under and is asked to give up tthe mages in the wardens. Seek out Anders [if he lives] and seek out this new mage force? Or Keep Ferelden out of the conflict and olnly attack defensively. Or join Tevinter or Orlais in there war?

Get really confused, because my Warden doesn't have anything to do with the Grey Wardens? The same reaction yo would get from a pig farmer if you asked him to surrender all the mages in the Wardens.

[JimTasty]

Wardens dont have the numbers to engage in a war

[In Exile]

Adrian68b wrote...

Not if the mage in question is Anders. Say Anders returned to meet his old buddy Warden Commander. It seems (from the Awakening) that the record breaking escape artist Anders is long time No. 1 in every templar wish list. "

I can't imagine why a GW Commander would be stupid enough to not immediately execute Anders. The only political issue is the independence of the Wardens - you don't want a religious order fudging around with their mission, but at the same time (as Duncan points out in DA:O) the Wardens depend on the entire fabric of Thedas for support.

Modifié par In Exile, 21 septembre 2012 - 03:22 .

[Matchy Pointy]

Wardens as a whole is jsut concerned with Darkspawn, though some parts does do other things (like Warden's Keep).

[Lilaeth]

It would depend on the Wardens' point of view - if they thought an Exalted March left Thedas at risk of another Blight (I don't know how, indulge me!), they would get involved. If not, they would keep their own Mages safe, and leave the Templars etc to their own devices. But they would be watching them...

[addiction21]

Just from my understanding. The blight in Feralden is not exactly accepted as being a blight for some. IT was restricted to Feralden and was far shorter then any other of the Blights that came before. So it might not sway some of the factions.

And most likely no the Wardens would try to keep their noses out of it.

[Adrian68b]

"I can't imagine why a GW Commander would be stupid enough to not immediately execute Anders. The only political issue is the independence of the Wardens - you don't want a religious order fudging around with their mission, but at the same time (as Duncan points out in DA:O) the Wardens depend on the entire fabric of Thedas for support."

I was just joking! I just read a funny post ("Unless the leader of the Templars is crazier than Orsino and Meredith combined at the end of DA2 and also drunk while high on lyrium, he/she would definitely avoid going after the Wardens.") and I made a joke.
Anders escaped once from GW and I don't think he is like to enlist again. Also, Anders greatly respect the Hero, and knows well the position of the GW in Thedas. Of course he won't do such a thing.

Modifié par Adrian68b, 21 septembre 2012 - 06:31 .

[The Six Path of Pain]

No...it's none of the wardens business and they have to remain neutral.But I would imagine if the Templars demanded their Mages and threatened to attack if they didn't turn them over,I could see the Wardens kicking some Templar ass