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[Versus Omnibus]

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

HereticDante wrote...

Please Mr. Gaider include a Female Kossith for companion and love interest.

Perhaps we should start an "OFFICIAL PETITION":lol:

Isn't that what this topic is for?

[Genshie]

Its something completely new so I am all for it. She would probably be taller than the protagonist but that has never stop me be for in other situations.

[David Gaider]

HereticDante wrote...
Please Mr. Gaider include a Female Kossith for companion and love interest.

For a companion, it's a possibility.

As for a romance, I certainly hope the origin of such a request is that there's some aspect of qunari culture which someone finds appealing in a romance character. The alternative is too fetishistic to be appealing to me-- that they don't really care for any aspect of personality or temperament beyond the character being a tall, muscular woman. The idea that such a character should exist solely to indulge such a fetish is, in fact, exactly the sort of thing that would make a writer like myself disinclined to ever provide the option.

[Versus Omnibus]

David Gaider wrote...

HereticDante wrote...
Please Mr. Gaider include a Female Kossith for companion and love interest.

For a companion, it's a possibility.

As for a romance, I certainly hope the origin of such a request is that there's some aspect of qunari culture which someone finds appealing in a romance character. The alternative is too fetishistic to be appealing to me-- that they don't really care for any aspect of personality or temperament beyond the character being a tall, muscular woman. The idea that such a character should exist solely to indulge such a fetish is, in fact, exactly the sort of thing that would make a writer like myself disinclined to ever provide the option.

Then why not a Kossith female raised outside the Qun? Is that so outlandish you wouldn't even consider it?

[upsettingshorts]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

HereticDante wrote...
Please Mr. Gaider include a Female Kossith for companion and love interest.

For a companion, it's a possibility.

As for a romance, I certainly hope the origin of such a request is that there's some aspect of qunari culture which someone finds appealing in a romance character. The alternative is too fetishistic to be appealing to me-- that they don't really care for any aspect of personality or temperament beyond the character being a tall, muscular woman. The idea that such a character should exist solely to indulge such a fetish is, in fact, exactly the sort of thing that would make a writer like myself disinclined to ever provide the option.

Then why not a Kossith female raised outside the Qun? Is that so outlandish you wouldn't even consider it?

... somehow I think the point has been missed here.

[Atakuma]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

HereticDante wrote...
Please Mr. Gaider include a Female Kossith for companion and love interest.

For a companion, it's a possibility.

As for a romance, I certainly hope the origin of such a request is that there's some aspect of qunari culture which someone finds appealing in a romance character. The alternative is too fetishistic to be appealing to me-- that they don't really care for any aspect of personality or temperament beyond the character being a tall, muscular woman. The idea that such a character should exist solely to indulge such a fetish is, in fact, exactly the sort of thing that would make a writer like myself disinclined to ever provide the option.

Then why not a Kossith female raised outside the Qun? Is that so outlandish you wouldn't even consider it?

That's not the point. If people are only interested in a romance because of the way she looks, then he's not interested.

[Leoroc]

David Gaider wrote...

HereticDante wrote...
Please Mr. Gaider include a Female Kossith for companion and love interest.

For a companion, it's a possibility.

As for a romance, I certainly hope the origin of such a request is that there's some aspect of qunari culture which someone finds appealing in a romance character. The alternative is too fetishistic to be appealing to me-- that they don't really care for any aspect of personality or temperament beyond the character being a tall, muscular woman. The idea that such a character should exist solely to indulge such a fetish is, in fact, exactly the sort of thing that would make a writer like myself disinclined to ever provide the option.

I can't speak for those interested in it (since I am not one, I'll stick to demanding Cole as an LI) but it could be more of an interest in seeing a confident, strong-personality, tough as nails female LI. I wonder if these are the same who were sad Aveline wasn't an LI.

[Versus Omnibus]

Atakuma wrote...

That's not the point. If people are only interested in a romance because of the way she looks, then he's not interested.

I want to romance a female Kossith raised outside the Qun because it'll provide an interesting viewpoint on the Kossith. What kind of social pressures would she face? What will her view of the Qun be if she wasn't raised by it? Will she find it appealing or disgusted by it? Will she face racism and how will she react to it?

I want my character to form a bond with her, to help her find a place in life and maybe she'll grow fond of my character in the process, maybe even fall in love with him/her.

Again, is that so outlandish?

[mousestalker]

David Gaider wrote...

HereticDante wrote...
Please Mr. Gaider include a Female Kossith for companion and love interest.

For a companion, it's a possibility.

As for a romance, I certainly hope the origin of such a request is that there's some aspect of qunari culture which someone finds appealing in a romance character. The alternative is too fetishistic to be appealing to me-- that they don't really care for any aspect of personality or temperament beyond the character being a tall, muscular woman. The idea that such a character should exist solely to indulge such a fetish is, in fact, exactly the sort of thing that would make a writer like myself disinclined to ever provide the option.

That certainly sounds promising. I'd love to have another perspective on Qunari culture.

[Direwolf0294]

David Gaider wrote...

HereticDante wrote...
Please Mr. Gaider include a Female Kossith for companion and love interest.

For a companion, it's a possibility.

As for a romance, I certainly hope the origin of such a request is that there's some aspect of qunari culture which someone finds appealing in a romance character. The alternative is too fetishistic to be appealing to me-- that they don't really care for any aspect of personality or temperament beyond the character being a tall, muscular woman. The idea that such a character should exist solely to indulge such a fetish is, in fact, exactly the sort of thing that would make a writer like myself disinclined to ever provide the option.

So it's okay to fetishies a certain type of personality or culture but not an appearance? I'm sorry, but that just sounds incredibly judgemental and close minded.

I'd also point out that people are asking for a Kossith companion, not Qunari.

[Zkyire]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

That's not the point. If people are only interested in a romance because of the way she looks, then he's not interested.

I want to romance a female Kossith raised outside the Qun because it'll provide an interesting viewpoint on the Kossith. What kind of social pressures would she face? What will her view of the Qun be if she wasn't raised by it? Will she find it appealing or disgusted by it? Will she face racism and how will she react to it?

I want my character to form a bond with her, to help her find a place in life and maybe she'll grow fond of my character in the process, maybe even fall in love with him/her.

Again, is that so outlandish?

Because you can learn all that wouth the character being a LI.

[Vandicus]

Direwolf0294 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

HereticDante wrote...
Please Mr. Gaider include a Female Kossith for companion and love interest.

For a companion, it's a possibility.

As for a romance, I certainly hope the origin of such a request is that there's some aspect of qunari culture which someone finds appealing in a romance character. The alternative is too fetishistic to be appealing to me-- that they don't really care for any aspect of personality or temperament beyond the character being a tall, muscular woman. The idea that such a character should exist solely to indulge such a fetish is, in fact, exactly the sort of thing that would make a writer like myself disinclined to ever provide the option.

So it's okay to fetishies a certain type of personality or culture but not an appearance? I'm sorry, but that just sounds incredibly judgemental and close minded.

I'd also point out that people are asking for a Kossith companion, not Qunari.

And this folks, is how you don't want to present your requests and ideas to developers.

[Direwolf0294]

Vandicus wrote...

Direwolf0294 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

HereticDante wrote...
Please Mr. Gaider include a Female Kossith for companion and love interest.

For a companion, it's a possibility.

As for a romance, I certainly hope the origin of such a request is that there's some aspect of qunari culture which someone finds appealing in a romance character. The alternative is too fetishistic to be appealing to me-- that they don't really care for any aspect of personality or temperament beyond the character being a tall, muscular woman. The idea that such a character should exist solely to indulge such a fetish is, in fact, exactly the sort of thing that would make a writer like myself disinclined to ever provide the option.

So it's okay to fetishies a certain type of personality or culture but not an appearance? I'm sorry, but that just sounds incredibly judgemental and close minded.

I'd also point out that people are asking for a Kossith companion, not Qunari.

And this folks, is how you don't want to present your requests and ideas to developers.

Why not? It does sound judgemental and close minded. You're allowed to criticize people while presenting them suggestions as long as you do it in a polite way.

[Versus Omnibus]

Zkyire wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

That's not the point. If people are only interested in a romance because of the way she looks, then he's not interested.

I want to romance a female Kossith raised outside the Qun because it'll provide an interesting viewpoint on the Kossith. What kind of social pressures would she face? What will her view of the Qun be if she wasn't raised by it? Will she find it appealing or disgusted by it? Will she face racism and how will she react to it?

I want my character to form a bond with her, to help her find a place in life and maybe she'll grow fond of my character in the process, maybe even fall in love with him/her.

Again, is that so outlandish?

Because you can learn all that wouth the character being a LI.

I fail to see why she can't be a LI just because she's a Kossith.

[Vandicus]

Direwolf0294 wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Direwolf0294 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

HereticDante wrote...
Please Mr. Gaider include a Female Kossith for companion and love interest.

For a companion, it's a possibility.

As for a romance, I certainly hope the origin of such a request is that there's some aspect of qunari culture which someone finds appealing in a romance character. The alternative is too fetishistic to be appealing to me-- that they don't really care for any aspect of personality or temperament beyond the character being a tall, muscular woman. The idea that such a character should exist solely to indulge such a fetish is, in fact, exactly the sort of thing that would make a writer like myself disinclined to ever provide the option.

So it's okay to fetishies a certain type of personality or culture but not an appearance? I'm sorry, but that just sounds incredibly judgemental and close minded.

I'd also point out that people are asking for a Kossith companion, not Qunari.

And this folks, is how you don't want to present your requests and ideas to developers.

Why not? It does sound judgemental and close minded. You're allowed to criticize people while presenting them suggestions as long as you do it in a polite way.

"You disagree with me so you sound incredibly judgemental and close minded", does not constitute a valid argument. Even if you do believe that a person's views are such, telling them so is not the proper way to broach the topic. Its rather akin to trying to convince a person that they are wrong about something by calling them ignorant. It serves no purpose and does not add to the discussion.

Modifié par Vandicus, 21 octobre 2012 - 01:37 .

[Danny Boy 7]

David Gaider wrote...

HereticDante wrote...
Please Mr. Gaider include a Female Kossith for companion and love interest.

For a companion, it's a possibility.

As for a romance, I certainly hope the origin of such a request is that there's some aspect of qunari culture which someone finds appealing in a romance character. The alternative is too fetishistic to be appealing to me-- that they don't really care for any aspect of personality or temperament beyond the character being a tall, muscular woman. The idea that such a character should exist solely to indulge such a fetish is, in fact, exactly the sort of thing that would make a writer like myself disinclined to ever provide the option.

I really just want to see a female perspective of Qunari culture that isn't...hmm second handed? Tallis was great but I want to see someone who's lived with the culture her whole life and literally knows nothing else but maybe wants to experience it. I mean we've seen the soldiers, merchants and assassins point of view but what about the administrators or the cops i.e. Rasaan from Those Who Speak? I think their appearances are just a plus.

[CuriousArtemis]

David Gaider wrote...

HereticDante wrote...
Please Mr. Gaider include a Female Kossith for companion and love interest.

For a companion, it's a possibility.

As for a romance, I certainly hope the origin of such a request is that there's some aspect of qunari culture which someone finds appealing in a romance character. The alternative is too fetishistic to be appealing to me-- that they don't really care for any aspect of personality or temperament beyond the character being a tall, muscular woman. The idea that such a character should exist solely to indulge such a fetish is, in fact, exactly the sort of thing that would make a writer like myself disinclined to ever provide the option.

I think to me this seems a bit odd? For me, I find the thought of romancing a kossith appealing because of his/her race and appearance, yes! It's fascinating. In the same way I wanted to romance an asari in ME3 because I find the concept of the asari fascinating (the single gender). 

And for the record, I am a straight woman, so this is not a fetish! I do like the thought of a kossith female LI because she's SO NON-HUMAN. And sure, she will bring a unique perspective of the Qun if she is of the Qun or is a former Qunari, but that's not the ONLY reason I would find her a fascinating and exciting LI. If so, then a mere human or elf like Tallis would suffice, but it wouldn't!

I just wanted to suggest, for all of us who want a kossith LI, that it is NOT about some sexual fetish. I mean I find Fenris fascinating as a LI because of his personality and his past, yes, but also because he is an elf. And I will state for the record that Fenris DOES NOT TURN ME ON. I just like him as a character and a LI for my Hawke (a guy... so I'm not even putting myself in Hawke's shoes here).

Modifié par motomotogirl, 21 octobre 2012 - 01:46 .

[Maria Caliban]

motomotogirl wrote...

And for the record, I am a straight woman, so this is not a fetish!

I giggled at this.

[Direwolf0294]

Vandicus wrote...

Direwolf0294 wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Direwolf0294 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

HereticDante wrote...
Please Mr. Gaider include a Female Kossith for companion and love interest.

For a companion, it's a possibility.

As for a romance, I certainly hope the origin of such a request is that there's some aspect of qunari culture which someone finds appealing in a romance character. The alternative is too fetishistic to be appealing to me-- that they don't really care for any aspect of personality or temperament beyond the character being a tall, muscular woman. The idea that such a character should exist solely to indulge such a fetish is, in fact, exactly the sort of thing that would make a writer like myself disinclined to ever provide the option.

So it's okay to fetishies a certain type of personality or culture but not an appearance? I'm sorry, but that just sounds incredibly judgemental and close minded.

I'd also point out that people are asking for a Kossith companion, not Qunari.

And this folks, is how you don't want to present your requests and ideas to developers.

Why not? It does sound judgemental and close minded. You're allowed to criticize people while presenting them suggestions as long as you do it in a polite way.

"You disagree with me so you sound incredibly judgemental and close minded", does not constitute a valid argument. Even if you do believe that a person's views are such, telling them so is not the proper way to broach the topic. Its rather akin to trying to convince a person that they are wrong about something by calling them ignorant. It serves no purpose and does not add to the discussion.

I didn't say he sounded incredibly judgemental and close minded because he disagreed with me, I said it because the specific thing he said sounded incredibly judgemental and close minded. What I said does further the conversation because of the line before the one you keep quoting, "So it's okay to fetishies a certain type of personality or culture but not an appearance?". It's an open ended question meant to give him something to think about and consider.

Also, saying someone is being judgemental or ignorant does serve a purpose, it lets them know you think they're being judgemental or ignorant or what ever. When discussing a topic, people understanding how what they're saying is making others feel is important to continuing the discussion in a productive way. In normal conversation, that is to say in person face to face conversation, you can see how someone else is feeling or what they're thinking of you by the tone of their voice or their body language. In discussion like this, were no one can see each other, you have to put those feelings into words.

[Vandicus]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

HereticDante wrote...
Please Mr. Gaider include a Female Kossith for companion and love interest.

For a companion, it's a possibility.

As for a romance, I certainly hope the origin of such a request is that there's some aspect of qunari culture which someone finds appealing in a romance character. The alternative is too fetishistic to be appealing to me-- that they don't really care for any aspect of personality or temperament beyond the character being a tall, muscular woman. The idea that such a character should exist solely to indulge such a fetish is, in fact, exactly the sort of thing that would make a writer like myself disinclined to ever provide the option.

I really just want to see a female perspective of Qunari culture that isn't...hmm second handed? Tallis was great but I want to see someone who's lived with the culture her whole life and literally knows nothing else but maybe wants to experience it. I mean we've seen the soldiers, merchants and assassins point of view but what about the administrators or the cops i.e. Rasaan from Those Who Speak? I think their appearances are just a plus.

I am rather curious about the Qunari female roles in society. From Sten we have indications that they are not part of the warrior caste.

Also the Qunari indifference to sex, is it cultural or biological. Sten provided valuable insight from the perspective of a male warrior, but we have much to learn about the other castes.

[Vandicus]

Direwolf0294 wrote...


I didn't say he sounded incredibly judgemental and close minded because he disagreed with me, I said it because the specific thing he said sounded incredibly judgemental and close minded. What I said does further the conversation because of the line before the one you keep quoting, "So it's okay to fetishies a certain type of personality or culture but not an appearance?". It's an open ended question meant to give him something to think about and consider.

Also, saying someone is being judgemental or ignorant does serve a purpose, it lets them know you think they're being judgemental or ignorant or what ever. When discussing a topic, people understanding how what they're saying is making others feel is important to continuing the discussion in a productive way. In normal conversation, that is to say in person face to face conversation, you can see how someone else is feeling or what they're thinking of you by the tone of their voice or their body language. In discussion like this, were no one can see each other, you have to put those feelings into words.

You believe that it is acceptable to call a person's statements ignorant or judgemental, prior to engaging in discussion and elaboration on their meaning. Effectively, because he took a stance opposite to your own, you said his stance was judgemental and close minded. If anything, calling a person's statements ignorant or judgemental without first seeking to understand them is judgemental.

Your question invites elaboration, but then you proceed to preemptively paint his stance, without knowing what it is or why he has it, as close minded and judgemental.

[CuriousArtemis]

Maria Caliban wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

And for the record, I am a straight woman, so this is not a fetish!

I giggled at this.

LOL I felt it was necessary to help make my point. But even thought of any of the guys I've romanced being fetishes is just... icky! I mean, they are pixels. PIXELS!!!!

Reminds me of those guys who get their rocks off to like anime girls and such 

[Josielyn]

Kossith Culture, Qunari, Tal Vashoth-- need more info! Beauty is only skin deep!

[TEWR]

David Gaider wrote...

As for a romance, I certainly hope the origin of such a request is that there's some aspect of qunari culture which someone finds appealing in a romance character.

I can say that for me, it is. Well, it's more that I find the idea of a Female Kossith LI Tal-Vashoth interesting, as the idea of a female Qunari romance was refuted by... Mary Kirby? Someone at Bioware anyway, and it was long ago.

I just find the idea of romancing a woman who's determined to prove to the Qun -- and possibly even herself -- that she can be both a sociological woman and a warrior, even if the Qun might stubbornly say "Nope, you're a dude, broski."

It'd be an interesting experience, doubly so if we actually got to learn more about Qunari society. Triple whammy would occur if we could actually see Qunari society.