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[Danny Boy 7]

motomotogirl wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

And for the record, I am a straight woman, so this is not a fetish!

I giggled at this.

LOL I felt it was necessary to help make my point. But even thought of any of the guys I've romanced being fetishes is just... icky! I mean, they are pixels. PIXELS!!!!

Reminds me of those guys who get their rocks off to like anime girls and such 

I laughed and felt dirty at the same time...not that I do to be clear.

[AlexanderCousland]

Why Does it have to be a fetish? Lol

Maybe some people found the Tamassran from the Comics attractive? I mean, she did have nice breast, and humanoid features. The only thing that throws her off is the horns, and if im not mistaken it's not out of the realm possibility that a female kossith could be born without horns.

Is it a fetish that some people had a thing for Merril or Fenris?

I personally wouldnt want a woman bigger then myself, however I dont understand how it's fetishtic to have a taste for such a woman.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I want to call you Fetishstay so hard

[upsettingshorts]

FreshIstay wrote...

Why Does it have to be a fetish? Lol

Maybe some people found the Tamassran from the Comics attractive? I mean, she did have nice breast, and humanoid features. The only thing that throws her off is the horns, and if im not mistaken it's not out of the realm possibility that a female kossith could be born without horns.

Is it a fetish that some people had a thing for Merril or Fenris?

I personally wouldnt want a woman bigger then myself, however I dont understand how it's fetishtic to have a taste for such a woman.

You're using "fetishizing" in the wrong context.  He's not saying "lol people who want to have Kossith love interests in Dragon Age are weird."

In the context David Gaider is using it, he is saying he is not terribly interested in writing a romance solely because people find a specific body type/look physically attractive and want their ingame alter-ego to have sex with it.  In that sense, fetishizing means, "a Kossith romance would be a turn on for me."  

The notion of Qunari "romance" - such as Sten implied it in Origins - would probably be very weird and different, and probably worth exploring in some way at some point, but that is an entirely different request than "I think Kossith are hot," especially if that request limits itself to one particular gender or the other.  That said, the very idea of "Qunari romance" is something of a contradiction in terms, lore wise.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 21 octobre 2012 - 08:47 .

[Nightdragon8]

GodWood wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...
We haven't seen any female Kossith.

False.

damnit sometimes im too simple, you conviced me, green light it plz!

[Master Shiori]

David Gaider wrote...

For a companion, it's a possibility.

As for a romance, I certainly hope the origin of such a request is that there's some aspect of qunari culture which someone finds appealing in a romance character. The alternative is too fetishistic to be appealing to me-- that they don't really care for any aspect of personality or temperament beyond the character being a tall, muscular woman. The idea that such a character should exist solely to indulge such a fetish is, in fact, exactly the sort of thing that would make a writer like myself disinclined to ever provide the option.

I obviously can't speak for everyone else here, but I think a Kossith LI would provide us with insight into a part of Qunari/Kossith culture we haven't seen much of; namely love and relationships.

It would be interesting to see how a Kossith would handle developing strong feelings for someone who is neither of her race or a follower of the Qun. It think it could make for a truly different romance from what we had so far in Dragon Age.

[Blackrising]

David Gaider wrote...

HereticDante wrote...
Please Mr. Gaider include a Female Kossith for companion and love interest.

For a companion, it's a possibility.

As for a romance, I certainly hope the origin of such a request is that there's some aspect of qunari culture which someone finds appealing in a romance character. The alternative is too fetishistic to be appealing to me-- that they don't really care for any aspect of personality or temperament beyond the character being a tall, muscular woman. The idea that such a character should exist solely to indulge such a fetish is, in fact, exactly the sort of thing that would make a writer like myself disinclined to ever provide the option.

While I am sure that there are many people on the forums who want a Kossith LI simply because they are attractive to them (not going to lie, their physical appearance is pleasing to my eye as well), I think the most important aspect of the Kossith and Qunari is their culture and view on life.

Now surely most of our questions about Kossith/Qunari culture (especially in relation to females of the race) can be answered if the Kossith in question was simply a companion, but the possibility of a romance adds a lot more interesting layers to the character.
For one, there are always things people aren't comfortable telling their friends, but will tell their lovers. Especially if we're talking about someone as closed-off as the Kossith seem to be. What I'd be really interested in is what it is like growing up as a female Kossith in Qunari society. What was her childhood like? What about love and sexuality? What about friendship? How does one manage to be 'different' (as a Qunari female going to war probably has to be) in a society that is all about pre-defined roles?
I can't imagine any Kossith telling these kind of things to a mere friend. If they were to fall in love, however, they might be willing to open up a bit more...after a lot of prodding, naturally.
And the topic of falling in love is a nother fascinating issue in this context:
How would a Kossith (who has at least lived part of their life in Qunari society) deal with suddenly feeling affection or even love for someone who may be human and possibly not even of the opposite gender? As I understand it, in Qunari society sex is used simply for reproduction. So how would the LI in question react to a situation where they are involved with someone whom they cannot reproduce with (assuming humans and Kossith are, in fact, not able to reproduce)? Every 'logical' reason for the relationship would be taken from them. They'd be forced to examine their emotions and I personally think that would make for great character development.
So really, there are countless possibilities that would make such a scenario quite tempting to any writer with enough skill to pull it off believably...

[JerZey CJ]

David Gaider wrote...

HereticDante wrote...
Please Mr. Gaider include a Female Kossith for companion and love interest.

For a companion, it's a possibility.

As for a romance, I certainly hope the origin of such a request is that there's some aspect of qunari culture which someone finds appealing in a romance character. The alternative is too fetishistic to be appealing to me-- that they don't really care for any aspect of personality or temperament beyond the character being a tall, muscular woman. The idea that such a character should exist solely to indulge such a fetish is, in fact, exactly the sort of thing that would make a writer like myself disinclined to ever provide the option.

I may just be speaking for myself here, but I don't think anyone in this thread wants a female Kossith as an LI because they are "tall, muscular women". I think a lot of people want one as an LI because it would be interesting, it's something that you guys haven't done yet and would break away from the standard elf and human LIs. Besides that, it could provide great story oppritunities(sic) and give some more background on Qunari culture and the Kossith as a whole.

[HereticDante]

David Gaider wrote...

HereticDante wrote...
Please Mr. Gaider include a Female Kossith for companion and love interest.

For a companion, it's a possibility.

As for a romance, I certainly hope the origin of such a request is that there's some aspect of qunari culture which someone finds appealing in a romance character. The alternative is too fetishistic to be appealing to me-- that they don't really care for any aspect of personality or temperament beyond the character being a tall, muscular woman. The idea that such a character should exist solely to indulge such a fetish is, in fact, exactly the sort of thing that would make a writer like myself disinclined to ever provide the option.

Absolutely. I really enjoyed the way Qunari and Chantry (for want of a better term) cultures met and clashed to varying degrees in DA2 and i'd love to see that play out on a more personal level.

[paptschik]

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

I may just be speaking for myself here, but I don't think anyone in this thread wants a female Kossith as an LI because they are "tall, muscular women". I think a lot of people want one as an LI because it would be interesting, it's something that you guys haven't done yet and would break away from the standard elf and human LIs. Besides that, it could provide great story oppritunities(sic) and give some more background on Qunari culture and the Kossith as a whole.

This.
Even more than the entire "find out more about the culture" reasoning it's just the "It's something different"-angle that I like.  Yes, that also goes for visuals, but i mean in general.
It's not a human -> THAT alone is a huge plus. Every romance that's a non-human romance already is more appreciated, cause it has something more unique to it. Similar with elves who aren't as overused as humans, but they're up there too, seeing how they are the only alternative we've been given so far.
A dwarf, a kossith, a spirit without its own body - all are interesting, both visually AND in terms of storypotential. Even more so with kossith or spirits or whatever cause it could have an angle that puts the romance into question, meaning it could have many people oppose it. We kinda got that in the past, particularly in regards to Wynne and her concerns in Origins or some comments from mother Hawke in DA2, but we didn't really have a situation yet where it felt like the majority of people would go "You're in a relationship with THAT?" (which is why I'm excluding the dwarf option here cause dwarf romance should be considered normal and common in that world).

Next thing is implied/imagined personality. By that I mean - people would expect a female kossith to be a strong, serious character, a true warrior woman, which could make for a great dynamic we haven't had so far, certainly not from a woman. Morrigan might be the closest we've come and even that was more...sarcastic witch than anything else. I guess with the males we didn't really go all out there either..Fenris could be the closest, him being a brooding and serious character.
But what I really mean is, people would imagine a character to have some similarities to Qunari we know and a LI with a personality comparable to the Arishok or Sten, be it a male or female LI, could be DAMN interesting. Like, you'd wonder if they'd even be open for any form of romance.
I'd particularly love it with a female LI because while I absolutely adore Merrill and Isabela and like Leliana and Morrigan a great deal, none of them can quite compare to what most people would probably imagine a kossith lady to be like. Merrill was sweet and innocent, Leliana had that at times in her romance angle, but she was also fairly witty, which was taken to another level by Isabela and Morrigan, who both had softer sides hidden...now that part, the soft side hidden underneath, sure, that could be there, that's pretty much been there with every LI, but on the surface just having a female LI be tough, strong, serious that could be REALLY interesting.
I mean, there's a reason why many people would've been curious about an Aveline romance.
Personally, I'd just like a female LI that doesn't fit in with stereotypes about Rogues or Mages. I hope we get a tough Warrior LI.

[ADeadDiehard]

Blackrising wrote...

While I am sure that there are many people on the forums who want a Kossith LI simply because they are attractive to them (not going to lie, their physical appearance is pleasing to my eye as well), I think the most important aspect of the Kossith and Qunari is their culture and view on life.

Now surely most of our questions about Kossith/Qunari culture (especially in relation to females of the race) can be answered if the Kossith in question was simply a companion, but the possibility of a romance adds a lot more interesting layers to the character.
For one, there are always things people aren't comfortable telling their friends, but will tell their lovers. Especially if we're talking about someone as closed-off as the Kossith seem to be. What I'd be really interested in is what it is like growing up as a female Kossith in Qunari society. What was her childhood like? What about love and sexuality? What about friendship? How does one manage to be 'different' (as a Qunari female going to war probably has to be) in a society that is all about pre-defined roles?
I can't imagine any Kossith telling these kind of things to a mere friend. If they were to fall in love, however, they might be willing to open up a bit more...after a lot of prodding, naturally.
And the topic of falling in love is a nother fascinating issue in this context:
How would a Kossith (who has at least lived part of their life in Qunari society) deal with suddenly feeling affection or even love for someone who may be human and possibly not even of the opposite gender? As I understand it, in Qunari society sex is used simply for reproduction. So how would the LI in question react to a situation where they are involved with someone whom they cannot reproduce with (assuming humans and Kossith are, in fact, not able to reproduce)? Every 'logical' reason for the relationship would be taken from them. They'd be forced to examine their emotions and I personally think that would make for great character development.
So really, there are countless possibilities that would make such a scenario quite tempting to any writer with enough skill to pull it off believably...

THIS

[Versus Omnibus]

Blackrising wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

HereticDante wrote...
Please Mr. Gaider include a Female Kossith for companion and love interest.

For a companion, it's a possibility.

As for a romance, I certainly hope the origin of such a request is that there's some aspect of qunari culture which someone finds appealing in a romance character. The alternative is too fetishistic to be appealing to me-- that they don't really care for any aspect of personality or temperament beyond the character being a tall, muscular woman. The idea that such a character should exist solely to indulge such a fetish is, in fact, exactly the sort of thing that would make a writer like myself disinclined to ever provide the option.

While I am sure that there are many people on the forums who want a Kossith LI simply because they are attractive to them (not going to lie, their physical appearance is pleasing to my eye as well), I think the most important aspect of the Kossith and Qunari is their culture and view on life.

Now surely most of our questions about Kossith/Qunari culture (especially in relation to females of the race) can be answered if the Kossith in question was simply a companion, but the possibility of a romance adds a lot more interesting layers to the character.
For one, there are always things people aren't comfortable telling their friends, but will tell their lovers. Especially if we're talking about someone as closed-off as the Kossith seem to be. What I'd be really interested in is what it is like growing up as a female Kossith in Qunari society. What was her childhood like? What about love and sexuality? What about friendship? How does one manage to be 'different' (as a Qunari female going to war probably has to be) in a society that is all about pre-defined roles?
I can't imagine any Kossith telling these kind of things to a mere friend. If they were to fall in love, however, they might be willing to open up a bit more...after a lot of prodding, naturally.
And the topic of falling in love is a nother fascinating issue in this context:
How would a Kossith (who has at least lived part of their life in Qunari society) deal with suddenly feeling affection or even love for someone who may be human and possibly not even of the opposite gender? As I understand it, in Qunari society sex is used simply for reproduction. So how would the LI in question react to a situation where they are involved with someone whom they cannot reproduce with (assuming humans and Kossith are, in fact, not able to reproduce)? Every 'logical' reason for the relationship would be taken from them. They'd be forced to examine their emotions and I personally think that would make for great character development.
So really, there are countless possibilities that would make such a scenario quite tempting to any writer with enough skill to pull it off believably...

Sounds about right, even though I prefer a Kossith raised outside the Qun.

[upsettingshorts]

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

I may just be speaking for myself here, but I don't think anyone in this thread wants a female Kossith as an LI because they are "tall, muscular women".

Except for all the people saying or implying just that.

[Versus Omnibus]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

I may just be speaking for myself here, but I don't think anyone in this thread wants a female Kossith as an LI because they are "tall, muscular women".

Except for all the people saying or implying just that.

But there are people, like myself, who want this addition to the game because it would be refreshing and interesting. Not including this feature just because people get some kind of odd taboo enjoyment out of it is unfair to those who want something new in the game.

[JerZey CJ]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

HereticDante wrote...

Please Mr. Gaider include a Female Kossith for companion and love interest.

Perhaps we should start an "OFFICIAL PETITION":lol:

Isn't that what this topic is for?

I was trying to poke fun at all of the "OFFICIAL PETITION FOR X" threads that always pop up, that are always in CAPITAL LETTERS, and are always "official". Granted, that could be considered what this thread is, but it lacks CAPS and officiality.

[Darkstorne]

Just chiming in to say that a female Kossith as an LI would be a fantastic idea in my opinion, for the exact opposite reasons David Gaider is worried about:

The vast majority of people won't find a female Kossith sexually attractive (tall, abnormally muscular women are not a typical attractive stereotype) - so this would be a great opportunity to spark emotion purely through character and culture. Look at Tali and Jack from Mass Effect - neither were originally seen by most players as physically attractive, yet both won hearts from players far and wide for their personalities. There is a great opportunity to do the same thing with a female Kossith in DA3.

[AlexanderCousland]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Why Does it have to be a fetish? Lol

Maybe some people found the Tamassran from the Comics attractive? I mean, she did have nice breast, and humanoid features. The only thing that throws her off is the horns, and if im not mistaken it's not out of the realm possibility that a female kossith could be born without horns.

Is it a fetish that some people had a thing for Merril or Fenris?

I personally wouldnt want a woman bigger then myself, however I dont understand how it's fetishtic to have a taste for such a woman.

You're using "fetishizing" in the wrong context.  He's not saying "lol people who want to have Kossith love interests in Dragon Age are weird."

In the context David Gaider is using it, he is saying he is not terribly interested in writing a romance solely because people find a specific body type/look physically attractive and want their ingame alter-ego to have sex with it.  In that sense, fetishizing means, "a Kossith romance would be a turn on for me."  

The notion of Qunari "romance " - such as Sten implied it in Origins - would probably be very weird and different, and probably worth exploring in some way at some point, but that is an entirely different request than "I think Kossith are hot," especially if that request limits itself to one particular gender or the other.  That said, the very idea of "Qunari romance" is something of a contradiction in terms, lore wise.

Isabela was visually appealing to me, that had a large part in why I romanced her. As her story progessed, that attraction disolved for some people because they didnt like her personality, and for some people they liked her even more. 

My point is, at a fundamental level you must be physically attracted (to some degree) in order to find a interest in someone, especially if you want sex to be involved.

Some people might say, "It's more about personality for me."  and thats fair. However, When going out  in public, The Mall for example, you never see a person and say "Wow, He/She has Hott Personality!"
 
You first need to converse with someone in order to determine what  their personality is to you. The first thing you are diagnosing is wether or not  you find a person physically attractive.

I must remind you, The OP is asking for a Kossith companion not a Qunari. There Is a Difference and it is yet to be determined how a Tal-Vasoth might view attraction to another speices. Or for that matter, a Kossith who could be raised apart from the Qun and Tal-Vasoth entirely.

So Again, I dont understand how a physical attraction to someone is a fetish. Furthermore, none of the romancable character's introduced to us had their Personilty's shown to us before their Physical Apperance. So yes, we see something we like and we ask for it, it is in our nature.

[AlexanderCousland]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I want to call you Fetishstay so hard

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[Versus Omnibus]

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

HereticDante wrote...

Please Mr. Gaider include a Female Kossith for companion and love interest.

Perhaps we should start an "OFFICIAL PETITION":lol:

Isn't that what this topic is for?

I was trying to poke fun at all of the "OFFICIAL PETITION FOR X" threads that always pop up, that are always in CAPITAL LETTERS, and are always "official". Granted, that could be considered what this thread is, but it lacks CAPS and officiality.

I see.

[Crypticqa]

It doesnt have to be "wow you are hot" type of romance. Just look at the Garrus romance in Mass effect, he isnt atractive to me at all,but I find his romance one of the best in BW games (especially in ME3)
Also that concept art of female Kossith isnt THAT much muscular to be all "Eww"

[KainD]

I like horny women.

[septembervirgin]

David Gaider wrote...
The idea that such a character should exist solely to indulge such a fetish is, in fact, exactly the sort of thing that would make a writer like myself disinclined to ever provide the option.

They just want to polish her horns a little, dear.

[PinkysPain]

David Gaider wrote...
As for a romance, I certainly hope the origin of such a request is that there's some aspect of qunari culture which someone finds appealing in a romance character. The alternative is too fetishistic to be appealing to me-- that they don't really care for any aspect of personality or temperament beyond the character being a tall, muscular woman. The idea that such a character should exist solely to indulge such a fetish is, in fact, exactly the sort of thing that would make a writer like myself disinclined to ever provide the option.

Yeah, because Viconia/Tali/Zevran were not fetish bait ... have some self awareness mr. Gaider ... you haven't exactly been making art these last couple of decades

Any way, don't see it as feeding a fetish ... see it as an homage to Viconia if it makes you feel better.

Modifié par PinkysPain, 22 octobre 2012 - 12:14 .

[Maria Caliban]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

You're using "fetishizing" in the wrong context.  He's not saying "lol people who want to have Kossith love interests in Dragon Age are weird."

In the context David Gaider is using it, he is saying he is not terribly interested in writing a romance solely because people find a specific body type/look physically attractive and want their ingame alter-ego to have sex with it.  In that sense, fetishizing means, "a Kossith romance would be a turn on for me."

Which is not what is means to 'fetishize' something.

Women have asked for big, strapping manly men on these forums and no one has batted an eye. It's only when someone asks for big, strapping women that people comment on it being odd, unusual, or a fetish.

Given that David has previously made remarks about not getting the appeal of a dwarf romance, I think it's safe to say that he prefers a certain narrow range of bodies and sees expressions of desire for bodies outside of that range as 'weird.'

However, there's more than one writer on the team, and they probably have a wide range of ideas on what 'sexy' can be.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 22 octobre 2012 - 12:05 .

[Versus Omnibus]

KainD wrote...

I like horny women.

Not helping.