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[Hakurou]

Kerilus wrote...

If a romanceble qunari involves her ultimately killing herself in tears rather than to abandon the Qun, I'm in. Preferably after a failed attempt to kill the protaganist to get rid of such infidel concerns

Quite frankly, if that happened I'd be utterly devastated...but at the same time, yeah, I'd accept that.

(Please, nobody take this as encouragement to write Qunari for the sake of killing them off. ;D)

[David Gaider]

septembervirgin wrote...
I think you know you write pulp and porn.  I think you should be pleased to have such popularity and gather such wealth from your words.  Steven King should welcome you as a potential peer.  With time and practise?

And now we're onto patronizing BS.

Well, enjoy your argument. I've said all I care to on the subject-- I have pulp and porn to write.

[Rinji the Bearded]

David Gaider wrote...

septembervirgin wrote...
I think you know you write pulp and porn.  I think you should be pleased to have such popularity and gather such wealth from your words.  Steven King should welcome you as a potential peer.  With time and practise?

And now we're onto patronizing BS.

Well, enjoy your argument. I've said all I care to on the subject-- I have pulp and porn to write.

Harrassing and patronizing you writers is the best way to get anything done, it is known

/BSNlogic

[Nashimura]

David Gaider wrote...
Forum threads do not write characters.

Have you ever seen an idea or discussion that has influenced you on a character? Or even gave you the starting idea to write one?

[Sandy]

David Gaider wrote...

septembervirgin wrote...
I think you know you write pulp and porn.  I think you should be pleased to have such popularity and gather such wealth from your words.  Steven King should welcome you as a potential peer.  With time and practise?

And now we're onto patronizing BS.

Well, enjoy your argument. I've said all I care to on the subject-- I have pulp and porn to write.

Aaaaand there's the end to that. Thank you poster for making sure that the idea of a female Kossith companion NEVER gets put into a Dragon Age game. Honestly, some people... I know it's the Internet and everything, but one would think the people would at least try to be civil and not insult the writers of a game they obviously enjoy. I didn't even care about the idea of a female Kossith LI, but now I almost hope Mr. Gaider leaves it out of the DA-games forever, just out of spite.

[PinkysPain]

Kerilus wrote...

If a romanceble qunari involves her ultimately killing herself in tears rather than to abandon the Qun, I'm in. Preferably after a failed attempt to kill the protaganist to get rid of such infidel concerns

Yah sure, if you want a repeat of the ME3 fiasco ... if I want to be repeatedly confronted with the callousness of the universe I'll stick to real life.

[CuriousArtemis]

The idea that someone would want a certain type of LI just so they could get their rocks off by watching that character in a sex scene ... is disgusting. I can't believe David even suggested that! Are there people in this thread who have indicated they want a female kossith LI just so they could watch her in a sex scene? That's revolting.

I would love a male kossith LI because they are sexy, hell yeah!! Agree with Merrill on that one But obviously I would anticipate that this potential LI would be a fully fleshed out and interesting character. I am not asking for kossith porn here. Geez. That is gross! I'm asking for the type of storyline that makes me sigh and want to replay over and over again, the way I do with Hawke and Fenris (my personal favorite LI... whom, by the way, I don't find sexy at all).

[Giltspur]

One of the advantages of LI's is potentially mining their psyche a bit more.  It seems like a Tal-Vashoth would have a lot of built-in conflict based on how they cope with not being of the Qun anymore.  

As for Qunari, I'm not sure how romance even works there, so it's hard to speculate on.  Do they even encourage romance, or do they have some Orwellian system, where one submits a form to an Ariwhatever that will notify you by courier of a time and place to meet a an appropriate partner and do it for the Qun?

Modifié par Giltspur, 22 octobre 2012 - 04:39 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Giltspur wrote...

As for Qunari, I'm not sure how romance even works there, so it's hard to speculate on.  Do they even encourage romance, or do they have some Orwellian system, where one submits a form to an Ariwhatever that will notify you by courier of a time and place to meet a an appropriate partner and do it for the Qun?

Yes, there is basically an order within the Qun who act as "matchmakers"; they keep track of bloodlines and such. Forget what they're called.

Anyway, as for Qunari society, all members would have to be on some kind of drug that represses sexuality and desire (see Lois Lowry's "The Giver") or else you would have people hooking up on the sly left and right. I wonder if that's the case with the Qunari. 

[Maria Caliban]

As someone who does write pulp and porn, I can say that David doesn't write either.

That I know of.

[TobiTobsen]

motomotogirl wrote...

The idea that someone would want a certain type of LI just so they could get their rocks off by watching that character in a sex scene ... is disgusting. I can't believe David even suggested that! Are there people in this thread who have indicated they want a female kossith LI just so they could watch her in a sex scene? That's revolting.

No. That's the BSN in a nutshell.

We're good at two things: Complaining and demanding the possibility to romance everything we lay eyes on.

[berelinde]

motomotogirl wrote...

Giltspur wrote...

As for Qunari, I'm not sure how romance even works there, so it's hard to speculate on.  Do they even encourage romance, or do they have some Orwellian system, where one submits a form to an Ariwhatever that will notify you by courier of a time and place to meet a an appropriate partner and do it for the Qun?

Yes, there is basically an order within the Qun who act as "matchmakers"; they keep track of bloodlines and such. Forget what they're called.

Anyway, as for Qunari society, all members would have to be on some kind of drug that represses sexuality and desire (see Lois Lowry's "The Giver") or else you would have people hooking up on the sly left and right. I wonder if that's the case with the Qunari. 

Tamassran?

From what I've been led to believe, Qunari do still understand love and affection, they just don't associate them with sex. Isabela had a means of keeping her crew from climbing the rigging in any sense but the literal. Maybe the Qunari encourage solitary reflection.

Personally, I'd be interested in meeting a kossith Tal-Vashoth female who was raised in the Qun from birth and rejected it voluntarily. I would love to discuss her former role and explore her reasons for leaving. I don't really care if she would be romanceable or not because it isn't really something that would interest me, but I can understand why somebody else would want to see it. We haven't really had a love interest who was raised to a culture that separated affection and procreation. It might be interesting to see how they reacted to human courtship.

[SamaraDraven]

Wait a minute... I thought we all as fans want a good game with a well written story? That was a central complaint about DAII, after all. Dragon Age is not pulp or porn or gratuitously violent. There are elements of all these things in it because it's a medieval fantasy epic, not the Playboy Mansion Renaissance Ball. I see nothing wrong with being curious about what romancing a certain character, or kind of character, might be like. To that end, a Kossith - or Qunari - romance could have a lot of story value. We could meet a Kossith who was separated at a young age from the Qunari and when the PC meets this person, their side story could be all about helping the Kossith to find his/her people. And in true sadist fashion, that romance might be ended by the Kossith deciding to stay in Par Vollen. Or not, depending on what the PC does based on player choices. I do see potential for a good chain yanking here. It's not my favorite flavor but that doesn't mean it doesn't have merit. Do I see it having merit in DA3? Not so much, given the storyline that's been hinted at.

There's a time and place, methinks. Patronizing and arguing with the writers isn't going to change this. It's just going to give them a sour taste in their mouths whenever they think of dealing with the fans. Dumbing their work down to base definitions that aren't even accurate certainly isn't going to improve matters.

Modifié par SamaraDraven, 22 octobre 2012 - 05:22 .

[PinkysPain]

motomotogirl wrote...
The idea that someone would want a certain type of LI just so they could get their rocks off by watching that character in a sex scene ... is disgusting.

That's not how fetishes work ... in fact I think most of the sex scenes and dialogue surrounding it fell flat in Bioware games after ME1, it might be better to just not show it at all and mostly just skip over that part of the relationship building presenting it as a fait accompli afterwards ... will change nothing about the obsession people have with the LIs though.

I think the only game which pulled it off well except for ME1 was Witcher 1/2. Both in completely different ways, in 1 most were consequence free fun, in 2 it didn't feel like it was some kind of pay off for sticking to a quest like it feels in Bioware games now ... because it was already a long running relationship, in fact that might be better for Bioware as well, finish the conquest (not necessarily initiated by the PC) quite early in the game and spread out multiple sex scenes ... feels less forced.

I'm asking for the type of storyline that makes me sigh and want to replay over and over again, the way I do with Hawke and Fenris (my personal favorite LI... whom, by the way, I don't find sexy at all).

I don't get my rocks off to video games, but at the same time I don't really believe in platonic romantic love either ... for most people there are some sexual feelings beneath that sigh.

Modifié par PinkysPain, 22 octobre 2012 - 05:51 .

[CuriousArtemis]

PinkysPain wrote...

I'm asking for the type of storyline that makes me sigh and want to replay over and over again, the way I do with Hawke and Fenris (my personal favorite LI... whom, by the way, I don't find sexy at all).

I don't get my rocks off to video games, but at the same time I don't really believe in platonic romantic love either ... for most people there are some sexual feelings beneath that sigh.

Hmm. Do you know that's true? "For most people"? Because that I find that very odd and disturbing. 

[PinkysPain]

Shrug, maybe I'm projecting ... I do know that romance in popular literature aimed at the common man, ie. dime store novels which have a history much longer than video games, are more often explicit than not. I think there is a reason behind that, but hey I might be wrong.

Modifié par PinkysPain, 22 octobre 2012 - 06:06 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Oh I thought you were talking specifically about the DA romances. I see

Because I don't think most people get turned on by DA romances. The point of the DA romance has more to do with satisfying storytelling and feeling empathy for the characters, I think. Not so much about "Oh that sex scene between Zevran and my Warden really turned me on."

[Versus Omnibus]

David Gaider wrote...

If that's not your stance, or why you want the romance, then great. You've nothing to worry about, so long as you think about what you're saying. That is what I see in a number of these requests, however... so to that I'll simply say that if you're expectation is that we developers should be thrilled to become your virtual pimps, that's simply not the case. The fixation on romance displayed in these forums is borderline distasteful as it is, and certainly not limited to requests for female qunari-- I'd rather not encourage such requests if people actually believe they'll have results that aren't the opposite of what they intend.

I can't speak for everbody else, but I really hope you do give a female "Qunari" love interest a chance despite all the people who want it simply for the visuals. I'm hoping for a "Qunari" that was raised by humans or other non-Qunari to see what she will be like, both in her views of the world and even the Qunari and Tal'Vashoth. Sure, I can get that without her being a romance, but I'm curious on how she would react to being wanted and also the reactions by my other companions.

I've seen how Qunari act while following the Qun, now I want to see a "Qunari" born free of the Qun.

[PinkysPain]

motomotogirl wrote...
Because I don't think most people get turned on by DA romances.

I think the people who don't really get into the RP aspect of the romance will generally just skip it, do it to see the lackluster porn, or simply because they are completionists. For most of the people who do get into it (ie. for instance the people who start LI threads on this forum) I think you're wrong actually. I think they are the same kind of people who would have bought dime store novels in the past ...

The point of the DA romance has more to do with satisfying storytelling and feeling empathy for the characters, I think. Not so much about "Oh that sex scene between Zevran and my Warden really turned me on."

I think you're really really wrong there to conflate the sex scenes with the sexual undertones of romance ... the sex scene is just a realization of them (and in the end unnecessary although generally not entirely unwanted).

Modifié par PinkysPain, 22 octobre 2012 - 06:31 .

[SamaraDraven]

If the sex scenes didn't matter at all, there wouldn't be mods of every flavor out there rehashing them to suit the creator's liking. ;D That said... I like to think most of us would still find a romance without The Scene satisfying. A well written tale goes farther than a display of T & A. My mother used to get those Harlequin romance novels shipped to our house and I never could understand why she had to read so many books about two people getting horizontal. "It's a different set of characters and circumstance and setting, that's why." she'd say to me. Now I understand that it's not necessarily about knocking boots. Yes, that's nice. But then those books would get old fast because all of them have that. Where they differ is in the story. This is why Bioware does well with the romances, in my opinion. I just want to see it done better than those cheesy novels or have it remain rather chaste. Romance can be done without sex. Sex can be assumed to have occurred. The parts I loved most about Alistair's romance were the scenes he begins to reveal his feelings, talking to him. Same goes for Morrigan, Fenris, Isabela, Zevran, Anders and - I could go on but I think my point is made. Saying one wants a Kossith LI doesn't mean they just wanna see silver skinned boobies bouncing. There's more to such a story than that and of such greater significance that you wouldn't need the T&A. Want, yes, but not need.

Modifié par SamaraDraven, 22 octobre 2012 - 06:44 .

[Ridwan]

What's a Kossith?

[Versus Omnibus]

M25105 wrote...

What's a Kossith?

It's the name of the species of the Qunari and Tal'Vashoth.

[SamaraDraven]

M25105 wrote...

What's a Kossith?

Kossith is the name of the species with the silver skin and horns. The majority of them are Qunari. The Qun is a... religion I guess and those who follow it are Qunari. Qunari can be Elves, Rivaini or pretty much anyone who was born and raised in their society or those who convert, the viddathari (sp?). But the horned giants are Kossith. Whether under the Qun or outside of it, that is their species' name.

[PinkysPain]

M25105 wrote...
What's a Kossith?

I don't know where the term originated, but the wiki links a twitter which suggests it's the name the writers have given to what we generally call Qunari (because supposedly they themselves use Qunari to describe every member of their culture including the captured slave labour).

Of course now David doesn't like the term ... so who the hell knows.

Modifié par PinkysPain, 22 octobre 2012 - 07:00 .