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[Guns]

I see, noted. Most of the time I just call them all Qunari still, but that's more or less because I play Origins almost every day and I didn't even finish #2.

[Maclimes]

David Gaider wrote...

I think if we ever put a female Qunari into the game, I'd have to make her non-romanceable almost on principle. Just because it would be funnier that way.

PC: (picks heart icon) How YOU doin'?
femQunari: *blank stare*
PC: What's wrong?
femQunari: I mean no offense. You are simply very... small.

cue Sad Hulk music.

I think this doesn't go too far enough.

She should flirt with YOU, but if you accept, she changes her mind and rejects you (+10 Rivalry). If you decline, she tries again later. And same result. Basically, each time you reject her, she tries again, and if you ever attempt to accept her offer, it completely ends the chain with a rejection by her.

And it NEVER progresses past that point.

[Abramis brama]

Maclimes wrote...

I think this doesn't go too far enough.

She should flirt with YOU, but if you accept, she changes her mind and rejects you (+10 Rivalry). If you decline, she tries again later. And same result. Basically, each time you reject her, she tries again, and if you ever attempt to accept her offer, it completely ends the chain with a rejection by her.

And it NEVER progresses past that point.

I like this. <3

[Argetfalcon]

And this is one of the reason I want the Female Kossith LI it present a new flavor in the romance path. Too often do you see a man go after a smaller women ( 'cough' Merrill). A taller female romance opens up a whole new dynamic

[Versus Omnibus]

Argetfalcon wrote...

And this is one of the reason I want the Female Kossith LI it present a new flavor in the romance path. Too often do you see a man go after a smaller women ( 'cough' Merrill). A taller female romance opens up a whole new dynamic

Romances should be based on story and characters, not just physical attractions. I believe a female Qunari opens new elements unseen in the series so far. But I also believe, as we have seen even in this topic, that the sheer disapproval of the idea could make a romance interesting.

[Argetfalcon]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Argetfalcon wrote...

And this is one of the reason I want the Female Kossith LI it present a new flavor in the romance path. Too often do you see a man go after a smaller women ( 'cough' Merrill). A taller female romance opens up a whole new dynamic

Romances should be based on story and characters, not just physical attractions. I believe a female Qunari opens new elements unseen in the series so far. But I also believe, as we have seen even in this topic, that the sheer disapproval of the idea could make a romance interesting.

Okay you kind of missed my point. It was about adding a different kind of romance

[paptschik]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Argetfalcon wrote...

And this is one of the reason I want the Female Kossith LI it present a new flavor in the romance path. Too often do you see a man go after a smaller women ( 'cough' Merrill). A taller female romance opens up a whole new dynamic

Romances should be based on story and characters, not just physical attractions. I believe a female Qunari opens new elements unseen in the series so far. But I also believe, as we have seen even in this topic, that the sheer disapproval of the idea could make a romance interesting.

But physical aspects DO change the romance on more levels than just fetishes and attractions. The idea being that the player character, particularly interesting with males, would be the physically weaker part and noticably so. It changes expectations, it changes the dynamic and if only in the head of players - THAT is interesting. One of the key aspects of a character like Merrill was, and this goes far beyond her story, that people see her and feel the need to be there for her, protect her etc. (we just had topics were killing Merrill is compared to kicking kittens...Merill who can take on hordes of enemies is compared to an adorable little cat)...yes, her personality is the reason, but her looks add to that a great deal. It's like...if Jack form Mass Effect were twice her size but with the same plot, it still would come across in a very different way. Looks are the first impression we get and that affects how we react to personality. If someone like Merrill is as nice as Merrill chances are expectations are reaffirmed, if she would act like Jack or Fenris or whatever she'd probably bring up a whole new potential for comedy. Playing with ideas and expectations would be a great thing to do. Us having expectations how not just a female of this culture would act, but a female of these looks is certainly a part of why people want the romance too. For many there's probably the expectation that she would be a strong female romance, maybe even one where it is her that claims to be the protective part in the relationship over the player character etc. ...if that is how it would be? Who knows, for all we know a female Qunari could be a catloving hippie that hands out elfroot to smoke. But we are curious. About the character in general, but with that curiosity comes, for many, also curiosity in how a romance would play out and to a certain degree that curiosity is rooted in visual aspects as well. We should all stop acting like looks don't matter. That wasn't the case with any past companion either, romancable or not, looks always matter, it's why they spent to much time designing these characters to begin with.
There are countless aspects that could make this romance (or really, almost ANY romance with ANY kind of character) very interesting beyond "just" the characters place in the story. Visuals are a part of that. And no matter how hard we try to deny it or how hard people try to convince us otherwise: There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that. Nothing.

[Fraq Hound]

@paptschik

Well said.

The visuals do play a part in why this character is intriguing and when coupled Qunari or Tal'Vashoth culture it becomes a very exciting prospect.

The Kossith are the only Uniquely Original race in the Dragon Age Franchise.

This character deserves to be explored if for no other reason then that.

Even if romance is a path that we don't tread.



Samara's almost-romance was something I really liked in ME2. It was disappointing and tragic in a very beautiful way.

[CuriousArtemis]

Yeah, plus there's nothing wrong with just finding female kossith in general attractive. You are not a freak with a fetish if you do. Presumably, you have additional reasons why you find a kossith as a LI an interesting idea. There is something intriguing and exciting about romancing a character with such an exotic culture and unfamiliar form of thinking; even better if this character has rejected that culture and form of thinking.

I'm not attracted to women and still would love to romance a female kossith. Of course I'd rather romance a male because, well, I'm into guys. But there's obviously more to it than that.

[Argetfalcon]

Hey if you didn't want to romance the female kossith, you wouldn't need to

[Versus Omnibus]

Argetfalcon wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Argetfalcon wrote...

And this is one of the reason I want the Female Kossith LI it present a new flavor in the romance path. Too often do you see a man go after a smaller women ( 'cough' Merrill). A taller female romance opens up a whole new dynamic

Romances should be based on story and characters, not just physical attractions. I believe a female Qunari opens new elements unseen in the series so far. But I also believe, as we have seen even in this topic, that the sheer disapproval of the idea could make a romance interesting.

Okay you kind of missed my point. It was about adding a different kind of romance

My apologies. I was just saying that by people voicing against this romance because it involves a human and qunari are actually helping by showing a clear social disapproval of such a pairing. This would be something worth exploring and shows how deep the romance can be by making the LI and PC saying "I don't care, I love him/her!"

[Argetfalcon]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Argetfalcon wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Argetfalcon wrote...

And this is one of the reason I want the Female Kossith LI it present a new flavor in the romance path. Too often do you see a man go after a smaller women ( 'cough' Merrill). A taller female romance opens up a whole new dynamic

Romances should be based on story and characters, not just physical attractions. I believe a female Qunari opens new elements unseen in the series so far. But I also believe, as we have seen even in this topic, that the sheer disapproval of the idea could make a romance interesting.

Okay you kind of missed my point. It was about adding a different kind of romance

My apologies. I was just saying that by people voicing against this romance because it involves a human and qunari are actually helping by showing a clear social disapproval of such a pairing. This would be something worth exploring and shows how deep the romance can be by making the LI and PC saying "I don't care, I love him/her!"

Maybe but it still helps socially if such an option exists

[Argetfalcon]

Also staying alive

[Argetfalcon]

How tall is the average Kossith

[JerZey CJ]

Argetfalcon wrote...

How tall is the average Kossith

From DA2's concept art, a female is a little less than a head taller than a human, and a male is a head/a little more than a head taller.

[Argetfalcon]

Come on Bioware, Skyrim would give it a try

[Lasien]

Imp of the Perverse wrote...

Bioware has a history of LIs that have some sort of barrier to overcome. Zevran's a gigolo with serious baggage, Morrigan's antisocial and comes across as unromantic, Tali can't get out of her suit, Fenris doesn't like to be touched, Isabella isn't into feelings, Thane's dying, the list goes on. Unless it really is genetics rather than culture that prevents the kossith from romantic relationships, a Kossith LI would fit the pattern.

Not sure if anyone has said this yet, but I always got the feeling from the codex that the whole "no love" aspect of the qunari was more of a combination of biological reasons and the Qun religion, rather than just being an "alien mindset".

As in, they really don't have much of a sex drive except at certain times of year, so bonds are formed that don't neccesarily get to an *ahem* advanced stage, then that is compounded by the training by the Qun that the act is only performed when sanctioned. That would provide for some interesting interaction, even with a PC that was just a friend. And would allow the main character to make the move towards a *ahem again* cutscene - without being ambushed.

Also, in regards to the Mercedes character suggestion - easily fixed.

Make the mother be a head Tamrassan and stil alive, the father be the Saarebas leader or High Priest (whatever), and have them have been lifelong friends that secretly were more - but only consumated at breeding time.

Then have them conspiring to hide their daughter, have them be found out, and have the mother take the blame to protect the father - or dying, if you really need a dead parent.

Also, it could be interesting if the father was the Head of the spiritual part of the Qunari homeland - as that would imply that not everyone in the Qun agrees with everything about it, and add a lot of conflicted undertones, as they would still have to carry out their duties - such as sending parties out to hunt down a daughter...

[Argetfalcon]

Qun would be a difficult obstacle for love to overcome

[Auintus]

Argetfalcon wrote...

Qun would be a difficult obstacle for love to overcome

And thus the interest in having a Qunari love interest. At least for me.

[Argetfalcon]

Auintus wrote...

Argetfalcon wrote...

Qun would be a difficult obstacle for love to overcome

And thus the interest in having a Qunari love interest. At least for me.

glad you think so

[Versus Omnibus]

I've created a poll in regards of the Qunari Love Interest's potential backstory.

http://social.biowar...52/polls/41596/

Feel free to vote on your choice.

[Eranen]

Faerunner wrote...

unbentbuzzkill wrote...

whoa did i miss something morrigan flirts with sten? when?

In party banter, if you travel with both of them. (As seen here. =)

I'm not against a qunari companion again especially as a love interest, but.... Gah! I would love to have an male qunari LI!
"Why Sten?! Why?!!!"

[Battlebloodmage]

Eranen wrote...

Faerunner wrote...

unbentbuzzkill wrote...

whoa did i miss something morrigan flirts with sten? when?

In party banter, if you travel with both of them. (As seen here. =)

I'm not against a qunari companion again especially as a love interest, but.... Gah! I would love to have an male qunari LI!
"Why Sten?! Why?!!!"

Maybe because you can't romance him with a mage since you would need armor, helmet, and something to bite on, but mages can't wear armors.

[Mystch3vi0us]

David Gaider The Bioware team made a point of mentioning that for them to even consider a female Qunari (and I use this term specifically instead of Kossith as you'll see later.) it would have to have a deeper story to it than hot, big, horned chick, which got me to thinking of ways that something like this could really fit into a game.  So David this one is for you.

So we have a Female Qunari named after her position which since she follows the Qun can't be a warrior because women are not warriors, and it can't be a mage because, well I think we can all figure out why we can't have a Qunari mage running around.  That leaves us with a rogue class.  Now the qunnari are a lawful bunch for the most part so thief is right out of the question but a rogue can be so many things.  Lets say that she is the liason attached to our inquisitor for the purposes of helping him or her get around Qunnari lands.  Now Qunnari are a sturdy bunch so I can see them being able to take care of themselves no matter what their station in life. 

So we have a lovely young Qunnari woman with an education and a big knife.  Well that's great and all but there is still no meat as it were to this character.  What is she like who was she before you met her?  How does she deal with our young inquisitor?  So lets play around with these. 

I see her as having been the daughter of a qunnari general who spent a good deal of time near Kirkwall.  Why Kirkwall?  Because I tend to get the impression that the Qunnari respect strength as well as honor.  So having been in close proximity to the Champion of Kirkwall (close proximity could be just the nearest outpost, but somewhere the stories could be told frequently.)  He might have developed a grudging respect for humans.  His daughter even more so being influenced by her father and the stories around her.  So she might be more sympathetic to our Inquisitor from the get go.   Then again it would probably have been a shock to see how most outsiders differ from the stories that she heard as a girl/young woman.  She was probably lied to and people probably tried to take advantage of her save for her father stepping in and royally ending their isht.  Leaving us with this girl with a warm gooey center and a very thick, if kinda frost queen sexy, shell.  As such she has thrown herself into her work and being a dilligent daughter and servant of the Qun I see her excelling at her work. 

So how does she interact with our party and our lucky Inquisitor.  I'm seeing a very hard cold war Russian front when approached.  I can see her standing aloof and criticizing people for both kind and cruel actions much in the same way sten did.  But, unlike Sten I see her as having more of a vested interest because unlike all the humans she's been in contact with before our Inquisitor, we are much more like the stories she heard as a girl growing up. 

As for how our little romance goes.  Probably pretty poorly at first.  You can't just get her to like you.  In fact I see her as being unable to admit her feelings to you at all really.  She simply becomes less resistant to your advances.  When you finally do win her over she doesn't kiss you all romantically and lay down next to the fire Leliana style.  (though I praise you guys for that.  God I love that girl.  Who was she bassed off of and *cough* yeah...  lets not be super creepy.)  Where was I?  That's right the final push.  So she's told you how things have to be according to the Qun then one night after you have all but given up she approaches you throwing you up against a tree or a wall, and as you the player are about to be angry she says something about a traditional meeting of bodies to aleviate the mind.  In a very round about way stating that by spending the night together the two of you can relieve each other's minds so that can focus more clearly on what it is the Qun dictates.  Even better if this can be done by any two appropriate people (station wise) regardless of gender because it's not about procreation.  That I see as being a duty not a fun act for the Qunnari. 

After that she more or less dismisses the act as being a one time event to help each other accomplish the task.  But, that's not all there is to it as her conversation topics and banter with other characters becomes incredibly possessive.  She even has a name for you (some sort of title that denotes you as the person she "blew off steam with." Could be the equivalent of a girlfriend/boyfriend but denoting that the relationship comes after everything in the qun is satisfied.)   Lets say she calls you her Kovet'cha (I like how it sounds).  So in response to teasing by a flirtier (spelled that wrong I did.) She might say "One does not speak of anothers Kovet'cha in such a way.  And maybe you should not speak at all as you seem to be saying nothing of value to our quest." 

So David.  I know it's nothing special, but it is a way, and a smexy way if I say so myself, of including a Female Qunnari as a love interest.  Dang it see now I'm interested in it.  *squeezes eyes shut and tries to immagine Allison Hannigan instead of Female Qunnari.*  <3:ph34r:<3

[JerZey CJ]

Auintus wrote...

Argetfalcon wrote...

Qun would be a difficult obstacle for love to overcome

And thus the interest in having a Qunari love interest. At least for me.

Exactly. Assuming, of course, they even follow the Qun.