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[Kail Ashton]

Ahhhh, i see the horned giantess fetish thread continues, what a treat

[Auintus]

This was mostly dead 'til you brought it back. You've no one to blame but yourself.
Maybe if you don't post here and bring it up to the top of the queue, it'll die for good.

Plus, it's not so much a fetish over a horned giantess(at least, I hope that's not the only reason). The entire concept of tal-vashoth is fascinating. I thought so since I met Armaas.

[Kail Ashton]

good thing this was already on the first page or you might've actually had a point there for a second!

[Dubya75]

David Gaider wrote...

HereticDante wrote...
Please Mr. Gaider include a Female Kossith for companion and love interest.

For a companion, it's a possibility.

As for a romance, I certainly hope the origin of such a request is that there's some aspect of qunari culture which someone finds appealing in a romance character. The alternative is too fetishistic to be appealing to me-- that they don't really care for any aspect of personality or temperament beyond the character being a tall, muscular woman. The idea that such a character should exist solely to indulge such a fetish is, in fact, exactly the sort of thing that would make a writer like myself disinclined to ever provide the option.

BINGO!

[JerZey CJ]

Auintus wrote...

This was mostly dead 'til you brought it back. You've no one to blame but yourself.
Maybe if you don't post here and bring it up to the top of the queue, it'll die for good.

Plus, it's not so much a fetish over a horned giantess(at least, I hope that's not the only reason). The entire concept of tal-vashoth is fascinating. I thought so since I met Armaas.

Not likely. There's a reason I don't reply to a post as soon as I see it. When I know a thread will get buried, I tend to wait until it goes down a few pages and bring it back, which then gets it a few more posts from other people. In other news, the thread finally got to page 23!

[Argetfalcon]

Thanks for all the support

[Statulos]

I like the idea of becoming close to a Qunari (or Tal Vashoth) as a way to explore how they deal with close people.

So far we have seen Sten becoming very proud of the Warden in DA:O, to the point of offering a trip to Qunari lands or calling him/her kadan, which I think shows a great level of trust and care.

But in general, the picture of the Qunari seems to be a that of too serious, too dedicated people who do not join entertainment or openly express feelings. At most Sten gets a couple close-to-joke and smile comments but that may be him and him alone. Talis is the other Qunari we meet a bit more but she was not born and rised Qunari, so...

My guess is the Qunari are less totalitarian than they appear and that the DO care and love their kind as much as elves, humans or dwarves do. Perhaps they understand leissure and intimacy in a very different way, perhaps they even detach sexuality from anything just purely reproductive and functional (as Sten hints to Morrigan) or perhaps the Qun does not specify anything in particular and Qunari can be no less Qunari if they show care, affection and companionship with others in a way closer to what humans, elves or dwarves understand as such.

I couldn´t care less about the phisical part of a male or female Qunari; if the romance allows me to explore the conflicts, complexities and expectations of perhaps not all Qunaris but a particular one, I´ll be fine with that.

[Argetfalcon]

Hopefully Bioware will consider after all they gave us a female turian squad member

[Lazengan]

but the Qunari believe that wimminz belong in the kitchen

[Jonata]

Statulos wrote...

I like the idea of becoming close to a Qunari (or Tal Vashoth) as a way to explore how they deal with close people.

So far we have seen Sten becoming very proud of the Warden in DA:O, to the point of offering a trip to Qunari lands or calling him/her kadan, which I think shows a great level of trust and care.

But in general, the picture of the Qunari seems to be a that of too serious, too dedicated people who do not join entertainment or openly express feelings. At most Sten gets a couple close-to-joke and smile comments but that may be him and him alone. Talis is the other Qunari we meet a bit more but she was not born and rised Qunari, so...

My guess is the Qunari are less totalitarian than they appear and that the DO care and love their kind as much as elves, humans or dwarves do. Perhaps they understand leissure and intimacy in a very different way, perhaps they even detach sexuality from anything just purely reproductive and functional (as Sten hints to Morrigan) or perhaps the Qun does not specify anything in particular and Qunari can be no less Qunari if they show care, affection and companionship with others in a way closer to what humans, elves or dwarves understand as such.

I couldn´t care less about the phisical part of a male or female Qunari; if the romance allows me to explore the conflicts, complexities and expectations of perhaps not all Qunaris but a particular one, I´ll be fine with that.

That would be very interesting, but it can be done without having to romance her personally. We can have a female Qunari looking for her husband the way Sten was looking for Asala during DA:O, for example. That way, the PC can become close enough with her to know about how "love" works for the Qunari without actually having to bed one of them, which could trivialize the character IMHO. 

Modifié par Jonata, 19 novembre 2012 - 10:49 .

[Battlebloodmage]

Lazengan wrote...

but the Qunari believe that wimminz belong in the kitchen

Females can be on the battlefield, but they would just be regarded as men. Females just are discouraged ed as warriors because quanari believes in the differences in gender, so women are more effective at administration and men are more effective as warriors. Bioware could have female quanari if they so choose, but it's unlikely unless they could use the female model for NPC as well for resources reason. It's the same reason why there isn't any female dwarf in DA2.

[Statulos]

Jonata wrote...

Statulos wrote...

I like the idea of becoming close to a Qunari (or Tal Vashoth) as a way to explore how they deal with close people.

So far we have seen Sten becoming very proud of the Warden in DA:O, to the point of offering a trip to Qunari lands or calling him/her kadan, which I think shows a great level of trust and care.

But in general, the picture of the Qunari seems to be a that of too serious, too dedicated people who do not join entertainment or openly express feelings. At most Sten gets a couple close-to-joke and smile comments but that may be him and him alone. Talis is the other Qunari we meet a bit more but she was not born and rised Qunari, so...

My guess is the Qunari are less totalitarian than they appear and that the DO care and love their kind as much as elves, humans or dwarves do. Perhaps they understand leissure and intimacy in a very different way, perhaps they even detach sexuality from anything just purely reproductive and functional (as Sten hints to Morrigan) or perhaps the Qun does not specify anything in particular and Qunari can be no less Qunari if they show care, affection and companionship with others in a way closer to what humans, elves or dwarves understand as such.

I couldn´t care less about the phisical part of a male or female Qunari; if the romance allows me to explore the conflicts, complexities and expectations of perhaps not all Qunaris but a particular one, I´ll be fine with that.

That would be very interesting, but it can be done without having to romance her personally. We can have a female Qunari looking for her husband the way Sten was looking for Asala during DA:O, for example. That way, the PC can become close enough with her to know about how "love" works for the Qunari without actually having to bed one of them, which could trivialize the character IMHO. 

Indeed, there is a number of ways you can explore the emotional side of the Qunari. With Sten and Talis (well, Talis does not seem to be a very conventional follower of the Qun, though) you discover some elements of what does it mean that a Qunari appreciates someone.

I like narratives of conflict and a Qunari being interested romantically in a non-follower of the Qun may be a good source of conflicted feelings. Deep friendship seems to be far more possible as Sten shows.

On the other hand, I refuse to think that there is such a thing as a "conventional Qunari". As restrictive and focused as the Qun can be, I am sure it does not have rules for everything. Exploring reactions to enjoyment, humour or love may help humanize Qunari a bit more or, even better, put them in perspective and try to make some sense of why feel so "alien" to the rest while ultimately, showing that they face the same issues with feelings as the rest but filtered in different ways.

And yes, for the record, the sex/romance part is totally irrelevant if it does not help the narration or provides exploration not just for a culture but for a character.

[Argetfalcon]

Statulos wrote...

Jonata wrote...

Statulos wrote...

I like the idea of becoming close to a Qunari (or Tal Vashoth) as a way to explore how they deal with close people.

So far we have seen Sten becoming very proud of the Warden in DA:O, to the point of offering a trip to Qunari lands or calling him/her kadan, which I think shows a great level of trust and care.

But in general, the picture of the Qunari seems to be a that of too serious, too dedicated people who do not join entertainment or openly express feelings. At most Sten gets a couple close-to-joke and smile comments but that may be him and him alone. Talis is the other Qunari we meet a bit more but she was not born and rised Qunari, so...

My guess is the Qunari are less totalitarian than they appear and that the DO care and love their kind as much as elves, humans or dwarves do. Perhaps they understand leissure and intimacy in a very different way, perhaps they even detach sexuality from anything just purely reproductive and functional (as Sten hints to Morrigan) or perhaps the Qun does not specify anything in particular and Qunari can be no less Qunari if they show care, affection and companionship with others in a way closer to what humans, elves or dwarves understand as such.

I couldn´t care less about the phisical part of a male or female Qunari; if the romance allows me to explore the conflicts, complexities and expectations of perhaps not all Qunaris but a particular one, I´ll be fine with that.

That would be very interesting, but it can be done without having to romance her personally. We can have a female Qunari looking for her husband the way Sten was looking for Asala during DA:O, for example. That way, the PC can become close enough with her to know about how "love" works for the Qunari without actually having to bed one of them, which could trivialize the character IMHO. 

Indeed, there is a number of ways you can explore the emotional side of the Qunari. With Sten and Talis (well, Talis does not seem to be a very conventional follower of the Qun, though) you discover some elements of what does it mean that a Qunari appreciates someone.

I like narratives of conflict and a Qunari being interested romantically in a non-follower of the Qun may be a good source of conflicted feelings. Deep friendship seems to be far more possible as Sten shows.

On the other hand, I refuse to think that there is such a thing as a "conventional Qunari". As restrictive and focused as the Qun can be, I am sure it does not have rules for everything. Exploring reactions to enjoyment, humour or love may help humanize Qunari a bit more or, even better, put them in perspective and try to make some sense of why feel so "alien" to the rest while ultimately, showing that they face the same issues with feelings as the rest but filtered in different ways.

And yes, for the record, the sex/romance part is totally irrelevant if it does not help the narration or provides exploration not just for a culture but for a character.

Gotta disagree romance would be an interesting. Frankly any romance that conflicts with cultures is nothing short of interesting

[DragonAgeLegend]

David Gaider wrote...

Tancred Of The Chantry wrote...
I think Gaider's point is that ultimately, from a creative standpoint, he is against a love interest that exists solely as an object of desire for the player.

My point is that if your objective is to make us want to create such a romance, then espousing an interest that obviously goes no deeper than their race isn't the way to do it. That's no different than someone asking for a big, muscular male character to romance, or "a dwarf"... or saying "I'd like a black woman to romance."

In fact, I'd use the word "romance" rather loosely in that context, because what you're really asking for is a sex scene. And if you think BioWare romances are all about getting it on with a character of your choice, that's great-- but it wouldn't entice me or any other writer to want to make it happen for you. If the alternative is someone accusing me of being prudish or "arty", then so be it. Having the romance be reduced to the equivalent of some body parts is about as artless as I can imagine.

If that's not your stance, or why you want the romance, then great. You've nothing to worry about, so long as you think about what you're saying. That is what I see in a number of these requests, however... so to that I'll simply say that if you're expectation is that we developers should be thrilled to become your virtual pimps, that's simply not the case. The fixation on romance displayed in these forums is borderline distasteful as it is, and certainly not limited to requests for female qunari-- I'd rather not encourage such requests if people actually believe they'll have results that aren't the opposite of what they intend.

I'm sure if people want to romance a female quanari it's not about the 'sex', it would be about feeling intamicy between that character and our own. Such as romancing Leliana in DAO, for me personally I only romanced her for the sake of romancing, I liked Leliana's character and that's why I felt almost inclinded to make her mine in a way. I listened to her stories, took her on quests with me and talked to her throughout a large part of my gameplay. My character and Leliana only 'did it' once I felt it was right, believe me, I don't watch those cutscenes since I still live at home with no idea who's going to walk past me, but knowing that they did do it makes me feel like they are official and meant to be together. For me It's not always about sex, that's basically the last thing on my mind, being religious and all. I don't think you should jump inot conculsions so quickly and assume without knowledge that people want to romance a female quanari to have sex with her. I think it's more about morally undertsaning where she has come from and what her story is, and the fact that she belongs to you. And the term romance doesn't always mean 'sex' I use it as a Dragon Age way of saying girlfriend. 

[ShadyKat]

A female Kossith LI would indeed be interesting...........Too bad that's the main reason it will not happen. Have to stick to only humans and elves, you know the stuff that we have seen a million times already.

[Statulos]

Argetfalcon wrote...

Statulos wrote...

Jonata wrote...

Statulos wrote...

I like the idea of becoming close to a Qunari (or Tal Vashoth) as a way to explore how they deal with close people.

So far we have seen Sten becoming very proud of the Warden in DA:O, to the point of offering a trip to Qunari lands or calling him/her kadan, which I think shows a great level of trust and care.

But in general, the picture of the Qunari seems to be a that of too serious, too dedicated people who do not join entertainment or openly express feelings. At most Sten gets a couple close-to-joke and smile comments but that may be him and him alone. Talis is the other Qunari we meet a bit more but she was not born and rised Qunari, so...

My guess is the Qunari are less totalitarian than they appear and that the DO care and love their kind as much as elves, humans or dwarves do. Perhaps they understand leissure and intimacy in a very different way, perhaps they even detach sexuality from anything just purely reproductive and functional (as Sten hints to Morrigan) or perhaps the Qun does not specify anything in particular and Qunari can be no less Qunari if they show care, affection and companionship with others in a way closer to what humans, elves or dwarves understand as such.

I couldn´t care less about the phisical part of a male or female Qunari; if the romance allows me to explore the conflicts, complexities and expectations of perhaps not all Qunaris but a particular one, I´ll be fine with that.

That would be very interesting, but it can be done without having to romance her personally. We can have a female Qunari looking for her husband the way Sten was looking for Asala during DA:O, for example. That way, the PC can become close enough with her to know about how "love" works for the Qunari without actually having to bed one of them, which could trivialize the character IMHO. 

Indeed, there is a number of ways you can explore the emotional side of the Qunari. With Sten and Talis (well, Talis does not seem to be a very conventional follower of the Qun, though) you discover some elements of what does it mean that a Qunari appreciates someone.

I like narratives of conflict and a Qunari being interested romantically in a non-follower of the Qun may be a good source of conflicted feelings. Deep friendship seems to be far more possible as Sten shows.

On the other hand, I refuse to think that there is such a thing as a "conventional Qunari". As restrictive and focused as the Qun can be, I am sure it does not have rules for everything. Exploring reactions to enjoyment, humour or love may help humanize Qunari a bit more or, even better, put them in perspective and try to make some sense of why feel so "alien" to the rest while ultimately, showing that they face the same issues with feelings as the rest but filtered in different ways.

And yes, for the record, the sex/romance part is totally irrelevant if it does not help the narration or provides exploration not just for a culture but for a character.

Gotta disagree romance would be an interesting. Frankly any romance that conflicts with cultures is nothing short of interesting

Lots of middle ages poets dissagree with you. There are tons of literature dealing with the ilegal and unethical element of a romance between people of not just different faiths, but social levels or procedences.

[Argetfalcon]

Statulos wrote...

Argetfalcon wrote...

Statulos wrote...

Jonata wrote...

Statulos wrote...

I like the idea of becoming close to a Qunari (or Tal Vashoth) as a way to explore how they deal with close people.

So far we have seen Sten becoming very proud of the Warden in DA:O, to the point of offering a trip to Qunari lands or calling him/her kadan, which I think shows a great level of trust and care.

But in general, the picture of the Qunari seems to be a that of too serious, too dedicated people who do not join entertainment or openly express feelings. At most Sten gets a couple close-to-joke and smile comments but that may be him and him alone. Talis is the other Qunari we meet a bit more but she was not born and rised Qunari, so...

My guess is the Qunari are less totalitarian than they appear and that the DO care and love their kind as much as elves, humans or dwarves do. Perhaps they understand leissure and intimacy in a very different way, perhaps they even detach sexuality from anything just purely reproductive and functional (as Sten hints to Morrigan) or perhaps the Qun does not specify anything in particular and Qunari can be no less Qunari if they show care, affection and companionship with others in a way closer to what humans, elves or dwarves understand as such.

I couldn´t care less about the phisical part of a male or female Qunari; if the romance allows me to explore the conflicts, complexities and expectations of perhaps not all Qunaris but a particular one, I´ll be fine with that.

That would be very interesting, but it can be done without having to romance her personally. We can have a female Qunari looking for her husband the way Sten was looking for Asala during DA:O, for example. That way, the PC can become close enough with her to know about how "love" works for the Qunari without actually having to bed one of them, which could trivialize the character IMHO. 

Indeed, there is a number of ways you can explore the emotional side of the Qunari. With Sten and Talis (well, Talis does not seem to be a very conventional follower of the Qun, though) you discover some elements of what does it mean that a Qunari appreciates someone.

I like narratives of conflict and a Qunari being interested romantically in a non-follower of the Qun may be a good source of conflicted feelings. Deep friendship seems to be far more possible as Sten shows.

On the other hand, I refuse to think that there is such a thing as a "conventional Qunari". As restrictive and focused as the Qun can be, I am sure it does not have rules for everything. Exploring reactions to enjoyment, humour or love may help humanize Qunari a bit more or, even better, put them in perspective and try to make some sense of why feel so "alien" to the rest while ultimately, showing that they face the same issues with feelings as the rest but filtered in different ways.

And yes, for the record, the sex/romance part is totally irrelevant if it does not help the narration or provides exploration not just for a culture but for a character.

Gotta disagree romance would be an interesting. Frankly any romance that conflicts with cultures is nothing short of interesting

Lots of middle ages poets dissagree with you. There are tons of literature dealing with the ilegal and unethical element of a romance between people of not just different faiths, but social levels or procedences.

Your right good thing those people are dead

[Reidbynature]

I wouldn't say no. The cultural barrier and other differences could make for one hell of an interesting story line.

[Argetfalcon]

It would be interesting

[Zerker]

Lazengan wrote...

but the Qunari believe that wimminz belong in the kitchen

Actually, they are in the leadership and priesthood positions of the Qun.

Modifié par Maddok900, 25 novembre 2012 - 06:13 .

[JerZey CJ]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

How did this thread reach 23 pages?

People typed words and then clicked "submit".

[dunstan1993]

If a Kossith companion were to be confirmed... I wouldn't care too much about gender and if it would be a romance option. I'd just be happy to have one in DA3, especially since the DA2 make-over.

Although I'd have to request for it to be Tal-Vashoth, so much potential there.

[Insomniak]

David Gaider wrote...

I think if we ever put a female Qunari into the game, I'd have to make her non-romanceable almost on principle. Just because it would be funnier that way.

PC: (picks heart icon) How YOU doin'?
femQunari: *blank stare*
PC: What's wrong?
femQunari: I mean no offense. You are simply very... small.

cue Sad Hulk music.

Rofl! This actually reminds me a lot of Sten from DA:O. If his mindset was a good representative of his race as a whole, this would actually be kind of perfect. Please make it happen!

EDIT: *Wearily notices rabid BSN fans* I take it back! I take it all back! ...Please don't eat me...

Modifié par javajedi217, 27 novembre 2012 - 04:47 .

[Argetfalcon]

Sten is now the Arishok, doubt he will be a companion next game