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[KainD]

Fraq Hound wrote...

I get the impression that a lot of people think that the Qunari are physically incapable of feeling romantic love. I don't understand why.

There is no difference between romance and friendship except sex. Friendship + sex = romance. 

[LadyRaena13]

KainD wrote...

Fraq Hound wrote...

I get the impression that a lot of people think that the Qunari are physically incapable of feeling romantic love. I don't understand why.

There is no difference between romance and friendship except sex. Friendship + sex = romance. 

WRONG, Oh good lord person. Sex doesn't turn a friendship into romance.  Romance is love,  mixed with small yet powerful gestures of affection. The Qunari mate to produce because loving someone like the other races is a bad thing in their RELIGION "only the Qun can possess your heart" They do care for people, and have friendship but keeping one partner to themselves is again The Qun. They are not about the needs of  the one over the many. They are a whole people. People have sex to release stress,  make babies, pass the time, for money, for fun, pleasure, there are SO MANY reason why people do the deed. There is a HUGE difference between romance and friendship and it isn't sex.  

[Tenshi]

yeah, lets trash all lore for fan service.

[Harlequin2]

I think this topic is quite for naught. No one's really discussing the benefits of having a Qunari as a LI anymore, and judging by the Bioware posts, the ship sailed long ago due to some rather unfortunate comments.

Personally, I'd of just liked to have another Qunari as a companion. Or even a Tal-Vashoth. Someone who's been in the Qun, perhaps from a different stand point as Sten, and can give some more exposition on it. He or she could have given us a fresh take, or maybe even informed us why/if the philosophy is flawed. Maybe in DLC.

[Elrena]

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

@Elrena
I like this human, they get it!

But seriously, I like all of the points you made in your last three posts. I wouldn't care either way of a relationship with a romance with a Qunari/Tal-Vashoth ended with a sex seen, in fact, I think a chaste romance would be far more interesting, as long as the game recognizes is(as in, has an impact on the story like any other romance and gives the obligatory romance trophy achievement, which Sebastien's romance didn't in DA2).

Thank you! I'm not going to quote KainD because Raena pretty much covered that. I will say, however, as an asexual lesbian woman - Kain, you have absolutely no idea. 
JerZey, I agree wholeheartedly. It would be amazing, and something vastly different from what we've seen so far. It would be a romance expressed in the little things, trust that we know what we are doing - even if what we do goes against the Qun. I look at Sten backing down on the From Ashes quest where that is concerned. If you are his Kadan, he trusts you. He accepts that the Warden knows what (s)he is doing. 
Things like that, little hints of the emotional depth between us. A cup of tea and a story shared over the fire at the end of the day, a new scabbard as ours becomes worn and scarred. A quiet upgrade to our armor quality from the level of care recieved at the hands of our LI.  Little, important, things. They might not seem romantic to some, but for a Qunari I believe things like that would amount to a public confession of love. 

[Elrena]

Harlequin2 wrote...

I think this topic is quite for naught. No one's really discussing the benefits of having a Qunari as a LI anymore, and judging by the Bioware posts, the ship sailed long ago due to some rather unfortunate comments.

Personally, I'd of just liked to have another Qunari as a companion. Or even a Tal-Vashoth. Someone who's been in the Qun, perhaps from a different stand point as Sten, and can give some more exposition on it. He or she could have given us a fresh take, or maybe even informed us why/if the philosophy is flawed. Maybe in DLC.

I cannot believe how rude that particular poster was. People tend to forget that there are real people on the other sides of the screen. Mr. Gaider has given years of his life to these games, and these forums. Even when people disagree with what he has to say, they should still respect that commitment, and respect him as a human being. 
Saying that he just writes 'pulp and porn' is incredibly offensive and dismissive of everything he has ever created. 
I honestly hope he returns to this topic to engage in discussion about Qunari culture, because I would be grateful for further insight into their society. 

[Catroi]

Companion why not, but LI... wouldnt it go against the Qun to have a "useless" relashionship?

[KainD]

Catroi wrote...

Companion why not, but LI... wouldnt it go against the Qun to have a "useless" relashionship?

We don't want to romance a follower of the Qun, we want to romance a member of the Qunari race. 

[KainD]

Elrena wrote...
I will say, however, as an asexual lesbian woman - Kain, you have absolutely no idea. 

Yes I kinda realise everyday from statements like this that I have no idea of anything except for what I personally feel, and probably will never have. 
I'm just saying what things mean to me personally. It's getting harder by the day to communicate with people using any terms and understandings because everybody is different to such an extent that people have different basic principles. Oh well. 

[Elrena]

Catroi wrote...

Companion why not, but LI... wouldnt it go against the Qun to have a "useless" relashionship?

Mary Kirby has stated in the past, and it's on the wiki, that the Qunari DO feel love. They just don't express that love through intercourse. Intercourse without procreation is 'useless', if you'd like to use that term, under the Qun, but I would argue that love would be desired - it strengthens the bond between people and thus strengths the mind and body of the Qunari whole. I expect one of the reasons intercourse is limited to procreation is to avoid jealousy, something that would only weaken Qunari society as a whole. If everyone lives by the same credo, there's nothing to covet. 
As for only wanting a member of their race...that feels quite shallow to me. I'm not surprised Mr. Gaider vetoed it. If I am romancing a Kossith, I would like them to be a Qunari, because I want to learn more about their race and how their mind works.

[Jonata]

Elrena wrote...
I will say, however, as an asexual lesbian woman - Kain, you have absolutely no idea.

Doesn't "asexual" contradicts "lesbian"? Not saying this to offend people, just mere curiosity. 

Allright, sorry for the off topic anyway. 

Back on topic: wouldn't be pretty awesome to have a Kossith companion (no matter if male or female), who does follow the Qun, it is actually deeply faithful to it and then, thanks to the romance, has a mental breakdown along the way? Think about Christian Bale's character in Equilibrium, for example. 

Feelings and emotions that contradicts the Qun gets in our companion's head and suddenly we are, don't know, fighting in the middle fo the companion camp (or whatever will be in DA:I) because he/she just can't cope with all his beliefs crushing down to the ground? One hell of a catharsis for a romance, if you ask me. 

Offcourse, I can understand that romances are basically icing on the cake so an arc like that will probably take resources off the main focus, but it wouldn't have to be laid out with cutscenes or fights like I just stated, however. It could be laid out just by perfectly pitched dialogues. Stan's character arc was basically composed of one-liners, after all, and it flows greatly during DA:O from mysterious giant to faithful friend and even comic relief sometimes. 

Just tossin' my ideas in the mix! 

[Elrena]

Jonata wrote...

Elrena wrote...
I will say, however, as an asexual lesbian woman - Kain, you have absolutely no idea.

Doesn't "asexual" contradicts "lesbian"? Not saying this to offend people, just mere curiosity. 

 

Heading off-topic to reply. 
It might appear too at first sight, (and I apologise for my wording by the way, Kain, that was rude of me) but with sexuality there's never a lot of linearity. I fall on the ace spectrum, in that I am not interested or invested in recieving intercourse. I am, on the other hand interested in giving intercourse, and in expressing romance and fostering emotional intimacy in a relationship. 
Back on topic - While it would be very interesting to see the beliefs of a Qunari LI questioned through their feelings, it would also be fantastic to have the option to work with those beliefs and gain a greater understanding of their culture!

[SeismicGravy]

KainD wrote...

Fraq Hound wrote...

I get the impression that a lot of people think that the Qunari are physically incapable of feeling romantic love. I don't understand why.

There is no difference between romance and friendship except sex. Friendship + sex = romance. 

Wait, what?

I was under the impression that sex was an optional extra? Since when did it become compulsory to screw someone in order to make them love you?

Modifié par SeismicGravy, 07 mai 2013 - 02:24 .

[KainD]

SeismicGravy wrote...

Wait, what?

I was under the impression that sex was an optional extra? Since when did it become compulsory to screw someone in order to make them love you?

I love my friends too. 

[Jonata]

KainD wrote...

SeismicGravy wrote...

Wait, what?

I was under the impression that sex was an optional extra? Since when did it become compulsory to screw someone in order to make them love you?

I love my friends too. 

This exchange made my day. 


(thanks to Elrena for her explanation btw!)

Modifié par Jonata, 07 mai 2013 - 03:17 .

[Nole]

Everything for LI. And now that we are in to it, screw Thedas, let's have a harem in our castle.

[Mass Fraud]

It would be pretty awesome to have a female Kossith with DA Awakening Anders, Alister's, and Varric's sense of humor running around with as a companion or Merril's/Tali's cute innocence type personality.

[TheLittleTpot]

While a female Qunari LI would make me very happy (provided that she's bi/herosexual), I would honestly be almost as satisfied by just having one as a companion. Heck, I'd settle for just having female Qunari in-game! Considering their lore, I understand why we never saw them in DA2, but if Bioware kills my hope of seeing at least ONE as a proper character in DA:I, then I shall be rather sad.

[Elrena]

Jonata wrote...

KainD wrote...

SeismicGravy wrote...

Wait, what?

I was under the impression that sex was an optional extra? Since when did it become compulsory to screw someone in order to make them love you?

I love my friends too. 

This exchange made my day. 


(thanks to Elrena for her explanation btw!)

- Off topic - 
You're welcome! I realise that I might have come across as hostile in the previous post, and that wasn't intended. I get a bit frustrated that a lot of people assume that a romantic relationship HAS to involve sex sometimes...then I remember that for a lot of people, that is still the status quo. It's not really fair of me to get mad about something there isn't a lot of information available on, and I do my best to point out misconceptions politely and briskly when I can. 

[LadyRaena13]

Off topic:
@ Elrena, Jonata, and Seismic Gravity- You guys are awesome!
also off topic
KainD: Sorry about how harsh my words are. I live in Texas, sometimes it's hard getting information through to people without being so direct with them.

On Topic: I saw something earlier about a character named "The Iron Bull" ??? anybody else hear about him? True? Not true? the description is this....

The Iron Bull: The Iron Bull is a long way from home, and prefers it taht way. A slap in the face of typically humorless Qunari, he loves drinking, killing, and looting-not necessarily in that order. The head of a vicious mercenary company, he’s known for excellent pay and brutal punishment. It’s been a ten year party, but the Bull may find that old loyalties die hard.

Not sure how I feel about a Qunari Merc version of Oghren... but it if its true at least there is a Qunari in the game as a companion.

[LadyRaena13]

^^^Just saw Elrena's thread created a few hours ago that mentions Iron Bull. Lol sorry...

[Elrena]

It might be interesting to have an Anti-Qun Kossith on board in the party, but I'm honestly hoping the Bull will turn out to be a woman. Mainly because - how awesome would that description be, matched with a female character? We've seen 'Oghren' type personalities in RPG companions in the past, but as far as I'm aware it's been limited to males. It would be a nice inversion with the potential for bad-assitude off the charts.

[Lluthren]

All i really want is another Kossith in the team, be it male or female, LI or no. It would be nice. maybe a non-qunari so we can see their point of view.

[JerZey CJ]

Dirty **** wrote...

ooh ooh be sure to make this horned wonder pan-sexual with the option to get F*cked by its horns!


DAY. ONE. PURCHASE.

*sigh* BSN...

Even if this reply was sarcastic/meant as a joke, a Qunari/Tal-Vashoth LI being pansexual(AKA "Gender blind") would actually work and make some sense. Not quite sure what the horns line was about though or why you sighed.