Yea. The idea of a female qunari li is interesting face value. But if you give me no reason to have a serious relationship with the character....it would be kinda pointless. Take Morrigan...yes there is a level of physical attraction there, but there is an emotional depth there as well. If that depth were applied to the potential female qunari li. then i see no issue with it
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#902
Posté 13 mai 2013 - 03:48
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StreetMagic wrote...
Might as well have a character who wears a burka and never goes outside.
That's basically no different than a female Kossith.
You say that on what basis? Sten had a very interesting character regardless of the Qun. If this is related to a confining definition of their gender roles, it is worth noting that women are priests, who run the entire Qunari society.
#903
Posté 13 mai 2013 - 04:19
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Sith Grey Warden wrote...
Sten had a very interesting character regardless of the Qun.
He did? I saw no character in him at all, just a Qun bot.
#904
Posté 14 mai 2013 - 06:35
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That is actually very different. Qunari women are equal to the men in society and don't have to wear a certain attire. The only difference is that they are typically given different roles under the Qun, but under rare cirumstances, one could become, say, a soldier, which is a role typically given to males in the Qun. Either way, I agree with you. A Tal-Vashoth/some one who "escaped" the Qun would be far more interesting and cooler than a Qunari.StreetMagic wrote...
Might as well have a character who wears a burka and never goes outside.
That's basically no different than a female Kossith.
A rebel female Kossith would be badass though. Just none of that Qun crap. It makes a character useless.
#905
Posté 14 mai 2013 - 06:44
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KainD wrote...
Sith Grey Warden wrote...
Sten had a very interesting character regardless of the Qun.
He did? I saw no character in him at all, just a Qun bot.
Then you missed a lot.
#906
Posté 14 mai 2013 - 07:59
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Sovereign330 wrote...
Yea. The idea of a female qunari li is interesting face value. But if you give me no reason to have a serious relationship with the character....it would be kinda pointless. Take Morrigan...yes there is a level of physical attraction there, but there is an emotional depth there as well. If that depth were applied to the potential female qunari li. then i see no issue with it
Holy crap... Somebody who actually gets it!!
#907
Posté 19 mai 2013 - 01:00
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Versus Omnibus wrote...
Sovereign330 wrote...
Yea. The idea of a female qunari li is interesting face value. But if you give me no reason to have a serious relationship with the character....it would be kinda pointless. Take Morrigan...yes there is a level of physical attraction there, but there is an emotional depth there as well. If that depth were applied to the potential female qunari li. then i see no issue with it
Holy crap... Somebody who actually gets it!!
fair point
#908
Posté 19 mai 2013 - 01:17
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Sovereign330 wrote...
Yea. The idea of a female qunari li is interesting face value. But if you give me no reason to have a serious relationship with the character....it would be kinda pointless. Take Morrigan...yes there is a level of physical attraction there, but there is an emotional depth there as well. If that depth were applied to the potential female qunari li. then i see no issue with it
The Qun demands that she be your LI, therefore she is your LI. You can accept that role or die.
And just to rub it in, she's also got a face like the Arishok in DA2 and the body of, well, the Arishok with boobs.
#909
Posté 19 mai 2013 - 01:40
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I'm unsure if I've posted here before and I'm not checking 37 pages, so at risk of repeating myself.
I'd like to see female Kossith in the game full stop. It'd be interesting to have a female Kossith companion especially, to get some more variety, in-game lore and a new perspective.
To be honest though, I don't care a great deal about the possibility of her as an LI. I'd rather Bioware focus on something more important, like the character's development (Arguably LI = Development.. :/), backstory, plot relevance, gameplay and appearance.
I'd like to see female Kossith in the game full stop. It'd be interesting to have a female Kossith companion especially, to get some more variety, in-game lore and a new perspective.
To be honest though, I don't care a great deal about the possibility of her as an LI. I'd rather Bioware focus on something more important, like the character's development (Arguably LI = Development.. :/), backstory, plot relevance, gameplay and appearance.
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Posté 21 mai 2013 - 11:35
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Probably already been said three dozen times over but:
I'd like to see something besides an elf or human for LI in DA3. I don't really care if that something is dwarf, Qunari, or some other as yet unrevealed race of being. I also don't really care if they are male or female. (Well, okay, that's a bit of a lie. Since I'm female, male would be more appealing as an LI). I want this independantly of what that LI's personality might be. I want it because different is interesting both physically and culturally.
I don't see anything fetishistic about that, and Bioware writers contradict themselves when they say such can't be a viable basis for good character creation. Um, Thane much? Here is an example of a character who was designed from the ground up to fulfill the "malien romance" niche. His design was even specifically about trying to identify something women found physically attractive. A huge part of the appeal of DA or ME is getting to interact with whole other species of beings. I can't do this is RL. Continuously narrowing the possible realm of player interaction with those beings by limiting PC race options and potential LI options is foolishly limiting one of the very things that makes space opera and high fantasy unique from other genres. You may as well start arbitrarily limiting magic or space flight. It's especially dumb to limit options for no reason except "I want to tell players no because they are pushy." If the idea is genuinely bad, okay fine, don't write it. But if it's got potential (and various LIs from MUCH weirder varieties of beings than Qunari verify it does) don't get obstinate just to spite a few rude people on the interwebs.
I'd like to see something besides an elf or human for LI in DA3. I don't really care if that something is dwarf, Qunari, or some other as yet unrevealed race of being. I also don't really care if they are male or female. (Well, okay, that's a bit of a lie. Since I'm female, male would be more appealing as an LI). I want this independantly of what that LI's personality might be. I want it because different is interesting both physically and culturally.
I don't see anything fetishistic about that, and Bioware writers contradict themselves when they say such can't be a viable basis for good character creation. Um, Thane much? Here is an example of a character who was designed from the ground up to fulfill the "malien romance" niche. His design was even specifically about trying to identify something women found physically attractive. A huge part of the appeal of DA or ME is getting to interact with whole other species of beings. I can't do this is RL. Continuously narrowing the possible realm of player interaction with those beings by limiting PC race options and potential LI options is foolishly limiting one of the very things that makes space opera and high fantasy unique from other genres. You may as well start arbitrarily limiting magic or space flight. It's especially dumb to limit options for no reason except "I want to tell players no because they are pushy." If the idea is genuinely bad, okay fine, don't write it. But if it's got potential (and various LIs from MUCH weirder varieties of beings than Qunari verify it does) don't get obstinate just to spite a few rude people on the interwebs.
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#911
Posté 22 mai 2013 - 03:26
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You know, I've kind of avoided this thread for a while, but since it's still sticking around I guess I'll chime in.
I do find the idea of a femaleKossith, Qunari anthropomorphic ox person romance, to be reasonably attractive. Albeit, the female bit is because I'm a heterosexual male, but I can easily get along with it being a male, mostly because it's an interesting concept.
Certainly, there is a concern for fetishism and people just wanting to fulfill their fantasies, but I do like to think there's more potential than that. That said, we could easily use that argument against anyone that was in the "make characters gay/bisexual" camp. "The only reason they want it is because they're gay/lesbian/bi/something-else!" Any counter argument that says wanting it is part of a dirty interest is on the unfair side. Mind you, I'm not saying that this argument is being or should be used, but rather that it's an easily exploited argument.
While some say there are too many differences between aQunari, Kossith horned person, on a philosophical level; I think there is a lot of potential for this type of romance largely in part because of these differences. It may sound corny when I put it like this, but the idea of two races and/or philosophies coming together, drawn to each others differences, sounds very entertaining; and if tastefully done, would be a touching character arc. All it takes is an especially curious (or on the other side of the coin, vehemently ridgid, what with the new Rival/Friend scale in Dragon Age 2) Kossith, Qunari, person from Par Vollen or Seheron, and you already have a solid character foundation, and the friction/interest to lend itself to a romantic dynamic.
Maybe it sounds too corny, just a thought.
I do find the idea of a female
Certainly, there is a concern for fetishism and people just wanting to fulfill their fantasies, but I do like to think there's more potential than that. That said, we could easily use that argument against anyone that was in the "make characters gay/bisexual" camp. "The only reason they want it is because they're gay/lesbian/bi/something-else!" Any counter argument that says wanting it is part of a dirty interest is on the unfair side. Mind you, I'm not saying that this argument is being or should be used, but rather that it's an easily exploited argument.
While some say there are too many differences between a
Maybe it sounds too corny, just a thought.
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#912
Posté 22 mai 2013 - 05:19
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What races are left from the background of thedas?As long as it's interesting,fun,fun,fun and well done,why not?
#913
Posté 25 mai 2013 - 06:20
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I absolutely think that female Qunari need to make an apearance in the games, and a companion would be great. However I absolutely do not think that one should be introduced with the sole purpose of becoming a LI so that you can have a Qunari sex scene.
Also, they are called the Qunari. Kossith refers to a pre-Qun culture, and it isn't clever to re-name the race for geek points, they wouldn't take too kindly to being referred to as a post-enlightened people, the same way I expect humans wouldn't like to be renamed neanderthals.
Also, they are called the Qunari. Kossith refers to a pre-Qun culture, and it isn't clever to re-name the race for geek points, they wouldn't take too kindly to being referred to as a post-enlightened people, the same way I expect humans wouldn't like to be renamed neanderthals.
#914
Posté 25 mai 2013 - 06:24
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Deleted...not really on topic, sorry!
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#915
Posté 25 mai 2013 - 06:25
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A tall female Qunari that could easily break your bones or rip your head off hmmm...well why not I guess that will make a few people happy.
#916
Posté 25 mai 2013 - 06:42
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LogicGunn wrote...
Also, they are called the Qunari. Kossith refers to a pre-Qun culture, and it isn't clever to re-name the race for geek points, they wouldn't take too kindly to being referred to as a post-enlightened people, the same way I expect humans wouldn't like to be renamed neanderthals.
No, Kossith is the name of their race, while Qunari is merely their religion. Same thing as converting to Buddhism doesn't stop you from referring to yourself as a member of the human race?
And I suspect humans wouldn't like to be renamed Neanderthals, considering that Neanderthals were our evolutionary cousins. Aside from some minor interbreeding accounting for about 1-5% Neanderthal DNA present in those of central European descent, we're basically a different species from each other.
But back to the topic...
As long as she has a interesting story, I think that a female Kossith would be an awesome addition.
#917
Posté 25 mai 2013 - 08:49
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Sifr1449 wrote...
LogicGunn wrote...
Also, they are called the Qunari. Kossith refers to a pre-Qun culture, and it isn't clever to re-name the race for geek points, they wouldn't take too kindly to being referred to as a post-enlightened people, the same way I expect humans wouldn't like to be renamed neanderthals.
No, Kossith is the name of their race, while Qunari is merely their religion. Same thing as converting to Buddhism doesn't stop you from referring to yourself as a member of the human race?
And I suspect humans wouldn't like to be renamed Neanderthals, considering that Neanderthals were our evolutionary cousins. Aside from some minor interbreeding accounting for about 1-5% Neanderthal DNA present in those of central European descent, we're basically a different species from each other.
But back to the topic...
As long as she has a interesting story, I think that a female Kossith would be an awesome addition.
On the contrary, on embracing the Qun, they cease to be Kossith and become Qunari, as do any members of any race that convert. They are no longer Kossith, have not been since the race took up the Qun as their way of life. The Kossith were a barbaric race, the Qunari are ordered, technological, thinkers. Homologous with the Borg. Qunari isn't a simple faith system, it is a way of life.
Female Qunari, yes, absolutely. As for a LI, an interesting idea, as long as it is included to satisfy a fanboy fetish and has more reason for inclusion. But considering the lore of the Qunari and the place of the females in the Qun, it is unlikely that there will be a suitable backstory to allow for love, and certainly not sex.
#918
Posté 28 mai 2013 - 04:27
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Kossith wives for those who enjoy conflict, cuddles, and bone breaking sex
#919
Posté 28 mai 2013 - 08:09
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David Gaider wrote...
I think if we ever put a female Qunari into the game, I'd have to make her non-romanceable almost on principle. Just because it would be funnier that way.
PC: (picks heart icon) How YOU doin'?
femQunari: *blank stare*
PC: What's wrong?
femQunari: I mean no offense. You are simply very... small.
cue Sad Hulk music.
This is my response.
After all I am sure blood magic can be used for more than harming or more than mind control. I mean the protagonist is a human, you need blood flow to keep it up.... So we actually have a pleasurable application of Blood Magic....
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Posté 06 juin 2013 - 12:26
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The Sin wrote...
David Gaider wrote...
I think if we ever put a female Qunari into the game, I'd have to make her non-romanceable almost on principle. Just because it would be funnier that way.
PC: (picks heart icon) How YOU doin'?
femQunari: *blank stare*
PC: What's wrong?
femQunari: I mean no offense. You are simply very... small.
cue Sad Hulk music.
This is my response.
After all I am sure blood magic can be used for more than harming or more than mind control. I mean the protagonist is a human, you need blood flow to keep it up.... So we actually have a pleasurable application of Blood Magic....
funny
#921
Posté 06 juin 2013 - 12:32
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Maclimes wrote...
Sometimes, I feel like I'm the only person on BSN who does not list among his favorite traits in a lady, "blueish-grey skin, 8 feet tall, horns, and a violent religious furor".
lol. how did i miss this thread?
#922
Posté 06 juin 2013 - 12:34
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I'd make the female Kossith a potential LI, but don't have her be a companion. Make her an antagonist that the PC can persuade over the course of the game to work with them. Develop the relationship and make them a couple, but she doesn't/can't join in on quests until perhaps the endgame/final battle. Or something like that.
#923
Posté 06 juin 2013 - 12:34
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Dubozz wrote...
try to type "Draenei girl" in google guys.
WTF are those even from!?!?
#924
Posté 06 juin 2013 - 12:35
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Do we really need to **** everything that moves?
it's bioware, so yes:lol:
#925
Posté 06 juin 2013 - 12:36
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GodWood wrote...
Female kossith (and qunari) need to be completely redesigned in such a way that accounts for the fact that they exist in a society completely alien compared to the rest of Thedas and as such have completely different standards of aesthetics, style and beauty.
E.g. Qunari mating is soley for the purposes of procreation and who sleeps with who is entirely dictated by the Tamassarans. As such both genders have no purpose for sexualized anything (from sexy clothes to make-up) simply because they don't need to actively attract a mate.
Of course knowing the Bioware art department they will likely not account for this and just go LOLSEXYCHICKSWITHHORNS.
who wouldn't?
