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[berelinde]

Rawgrim wrote...

i know. But we would pretty much have an "invisible pshychopat" in the party. He just walks up to people and slits their throats. In-game, it would reek of a Mary Sue.

It worked for Tallis.

/ducks

Man, I don't know what's gotten into me tonight. My water bottle must be spiked or something.

[cogsandcurls]

As everybody's already pointed out, that's Evangeline, not Rhys.

And regarding Cole: at the end of Asunder he went through a massive paradigm shift with regard to how he thinks of himself and what his place in the world is: and then after that moment, the only point we saw him was when he used his abilities to kill Lambert, an action that was clearly NOT motivated simply by his old "if I kill people they make me feel alive" motivation. We don't know what he's like at this point. We have no idea if his increased awareness of his own history and nature will have changed his personality, the way he interacts with the world and possibly negated the need for his old murder compulsion. In fact, if Cole becomes a companion that revelation will have HAD to alter the way he interacts with the world, because having a Companion that's effectively completely unable to interact with the other party members (hey, maybe even the main protagonist, because there's no reason a rogue or a warrior would be able to be consistently aware of his existence the way Rhys was) would be rather impractical.

Essentially: whatever we get of Cole (if we get him), I'd be willing to bet he's changed a lot since we last saw him in Asunder. I'd be extremely interested to see how he's developed.

[SgtElias]

Rawgrim wrote...

SgtElias wrote...

I dunno . . . Cole seemed to have a hard time using his powers without possible consequences, especially if others were present and he had to shield them, too.

Granted, he might have changed in the interim in ways I can't really predict, but I never really saw Cole as a law or force unto himself.

Maybe it's just me?

i know. But we would pretty much have an "invisible pshychopat" in the party. He just walks up to people and slits their throats. In-game, it would reek of a Mary Sue.

. . . an unstable, emotinally crippled, psychotic serial killer and probable demon is a Mary Sue?

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

His abilities would have to be balanced, but I think it makes just as much sense as adding a charater like Shale, who would in theory be rather over-powered from a lore perspective.

Eh, I think it's doable.

Modifié par SgtElias, 20 septembre 2012 - 11:48 .

[Eidolion]

Shale was also overpowered in game too though... and hilarious too.

[Rawgrim]

SgtElias wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

SgtElias wrote...

I dunno . . . Cole seemed to have a hard time using his powers without possible consequences, especially if others were present and he had to shield them, too.

Granted, he might have changed in the interim in ways I can't really predict, but I never really saw Cole as a law or force unto himself.

Maybe it's just me?

i know. But we would pretty much have an "invisible pshychopat" in the party. He just walks up to people and slits their throats. In-game, it would reek of a Mary Sue.

. . . an unstable, emotinally crippled, psychotic serial killer and probable demon is a Mary Sue?

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

His abilities would have to be balanced, but I think it makes just as much sense as adding a charater like Shale, who would in theory be rather over-powered from a lore perspective.

Eh, I think it's doable.

I meant in combat, only. You have a party member your enemies can`t see. And he can pretty much just walk up to them and kill them in a single stroke.

[cogsandcurls]

Rawgrim wrote...

I meant in combat, only. You have a party member your enemies can`t see. And he can pretty much just walk up to them and kill them in a single stroke.

....You mean the way Rogues have had the Stealth ability since Origins?

[Rawgrim]

cogsandcurls wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

I meant in combat, only. You have a party member your enemies can`t see. And he can pretty much just walk up to them and kill them in a single stroke.

....You mean the way Rogues have had the Stealth ability since Origins?

The enemies still see the rogue most of the time, and can attack back. Cole is pretty much constantly invisible.

[SgtElias]

Rawgrim wrote...

I meant in combat, only. You have a party member your enemies can`t see. And he can pretty much just walk up to them and kill them in a single stroke.

And that'd be an advantage, to be sure, but I don't think it'd be as useful as you say. You probably wouldn't, for instance, be able to send Cole to a stronghold to murder everyone inside, and (I assume) against bosses his invisibility wouldn't be as big of a deal.

Also, though it's all conjecture at this point, it's feasible (as other posters have pointed out) that Cole isn't the same Cole as we saw during the course of the book. Who knows how he's changed since discovering his identity?

Anyway, I'm not trying to tell you what will or won't be immersion breaking for you. Just that my personal opinion is that I think it's possbile to make Cole a companion without making it totally unbelievable.

[Rawgrim]

SgtElias wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

I meant in combat, only. You have a party member your enemies can`t see. And he can pretty much just walk up to them and kill them in a single stroke.

And that'd be an advantage, to be sure, but I don't think it'd be as useful as you say. You probably wouldn't, for instance, be able to send Cole to a stronghold to murder everyone inside, and (I assume) against bosses his invisibility wouldn't be as big of a deal.

Also, though it's all conjecture at this point, it's feasible (as other posters have pointed out) that Cole isn't the same Cole as we saw during the course of the book. Who knows how he's changed since discovering his identity?

Anyway, I'm not trying to tell you what will or won't be immersion breaking for you. Just that my personal opinion is that I think it's possbile to make Cole a companion without making it totally unbelievable.

I agree. Nothing wrong with the point you are making. But as he is now, I would say he would fit alot better as a camp follower. Due to combat issues.

[Reznore57]

Cole is really interesting , but ...I read "Asunder " and his story is so sad , I was all almost crying at the fade part ...I don't know if i want him as a companion.

I mean i don't wanna deal with "ok you kill people, it's awful , but i can't even hate you".
I've been through this with Anders (never even romanced him ) and it was so painful.
So i see Cole as a future bunch of pixels that probably gonna make me suffer.

And Rhys is ok , but i don't imagine him without Evangeline. I'd really like to see them in game.

[cogsandcurls]

Reznore57 wrote...

And Rhys is ok , but i don't imagine him without Evangeline. I'd really like to see them in game.

Yeah, I tend to think of those two as a package deal too. I'd like to think they'll turn up at some point in the future as part of the supporting cast, if only because they both have a lot of relevance to the mage storyline at present.

[Apollo Starflare]

I would want Rhys as a companion, but that would mean no Finn. 8|

Evangeline was fun, but I can't help but suspect Cassandra will be a companion and feel they would be too similar (talking broadly, and more from a class perspective).

I can see Rhys and Evangeline cropping up as NPCs of some degree of import though.

Cole I think will be in as a companion, but as I posted in a different thread I could see him either being optional, or due to the main story being removable from the party.

[Emzamination]

I want to kill Rhys so I can get with Evangeline.Unless cole is a desire demon, I have no interest in that either.

[devSin]

Eidolion wrote...

Shale was also overpowered in game too though... and hilarious too.

She's so wonderful.

I really hope we'll see her in DA3, especially now that David left her all alone.

[Direwolf0294]

I haven't read the DA books or comics, so if either of those characters become companions I hope there's a really good explanation about who they are and what their backstory is ingame. With WoW, Blizzard's pretty much shipped all their important lore and character development over to the books, and though I know it's super unlikely, I'd hate to see BioWare do something similar.

[Shadow Fox]

Funny I actually want Rhys,Cole and Evangeline all to be in the game be nice to have a senisible mage and templar as companions again.

[Samzo77]

I enjoyed both of these characters in the book, and would love for them to be a part of DA3. I wouldn't want them as companions though.
Because I've read Asunder, it's kind of "been there, done that" for me. I would love to see new characters, previously unmentioned, that carry compelling stories of their own.
I won't complain though if they are in the party. They were well written characters.

[Iosev]

I'm personally hoping that I see both Rhys and Cole (and Evangeline) in the next game. As a companion, I would imagine that Cole would be a better fit, largely because I think Rhys and Evangeline are sort of a package deal and would limit the amount of new characters available as companions. With that said, I would love to see Rhys and Evangeline return as NPCs, perhaps if your character ever meets some of the mage rebels in Orlais.

Modifié par arcelonious, 21 septembre 2012 - 02:30 .

[terdferguson123]

To those against Cole as a companion: It's not clear whether or not he has figured out his curious condition yet. The ending of Asunder implies that he may have. So, if this is the case, he may not be invisible all the time anymore, he was able to make himself visible to Leliana in the novel if I recall, and also to the Lord Seeker at the very end. The point being that his invisibility may have been cured. Also, there is no guarantee that he is an abomination or a spirit. Just because the Litany worked on him does not mean by a shadow of a doubt that he is abom/spirit. The writers could easily change things around to make him a great companion imo.

[terdferguson123]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Funny I actually want Rhys,Cole and Evangeline all to be in the game be nice to have a senisible mage and templar as companions again.

I agree, and have Adrianne be an enemy. I dislike her a great deal.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

In my playthrough i killed Wynne and Shale, so Asunder never happen. And thus i cannot have Rhys or Cole as companions (as Rhys is probably dead, and Cole is still haunting Mage Tower prison).

[Big I]

Cole's probably a companion. In the DA3 survey that leaked a while back a desciption for Cole was there and respondents were asked to rate what they thought about his character.


Here's what was in the survey:


"A long time ago a young man died a cruel death in a dark place. And now, somehow, there is Cole. Was he a spirit or a demon? Is he human now? Cole's not sure it matters anymore. Hounded by memories that aren't his, invisible in a world he can stalk like a shadow, the rogue must decide between joining the living or preying on them."

[thats1evildude]

I'm pretty sure that Cole is a spirit of some kind, likely a Spirit of Compassion.  (Note how he only gains strength from killing those who wish for a merciful death.) But I can't say with absolute certainty that he's not a ghost, a demon or a sentient nug that gained shapeshifting powers.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 21 septembre 2012 - 06:25 .

[Rawgrim]

thats1evildude wrote...

I'm pretty sure that Cole is a spirit of some kind, likely a Spirit of Compassion.  (Note how he only gains strength from killing those who wish for a merciful death.) But I can't say with absolute certainty that he's not a ghost, a demon or a sentient nug that gained shapeshifting powers.

I think your first assesment might be spot on.