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[AddieTheElf]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Playersexual anyone?

I agree with this.

[Biotic_Warlock]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

No..Cullen was in two games and enver showed even a hint of bisexuality.

If Bioware really starts butcheing and retconning every character, then frak them.
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Erm... he doesn't even show any sgns of being straight... does someobody need to act interested for them to automatically be either straight, gay or bi? Somebody can act interested in someoen of the opposite sex but are in fact gay, same can be said for visa versa. You do not know how attraction works...
It all depends how how the writers portray the character and how they develop them arond their sexualities. They did this very well with Kaidan in ME3 and only bigots or naive people suggest otherwise.


Edit: Think he shows a few signs towards a female player but it's not significant reasoning behind him either being bi or even a romance in the first place.

Modifié par Biotic_Warlock, 21 septembre 2012 - 11:00 .

[MorningBird]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...
Erm... he doesn't even show any sgns of being straight... does someobody need to act interested for them to automatically be either straight, gay or bi? Somebody can act interested in someoen of the opposite sex but are in fact gay, same can be said for visa versa. You do not know how attraction works...
It all depends how how the writers portray the character and how they develop them arond their sexualities. They did this very well with Kaidan in ME3 and only bigots or naive people suggest otherwise.


Edit: Think he shows a few signs towards a female player but it's not significant reasoning behind him either being bi or even a romance in the first place.

Yeah, for all we know, Cullen crushes on a female mage because he's into redheaded woman, or women with blue eyes, or elves/humans, or 'insert arbitrary feature of your mage PC here', not because she is female.



And even then, just because he digs a (in this example) redhead, doesn't mean he won't go for a blonde if they connect on a deeper level.

The great thing about having preferences is that they don't necessarily dictake who we end up with.

Point being, "he was attracted to my female mage PC!" is no more 'evidence' of Cullen's inherent 'straightness' than Anders' appreciation of the female form was.  The only real evidence would be if the character in question turned down the PC because, "Sorry, I am only attracted to the opposite gender."  Everything else is speculation and interpretation.

Modifié par MorningBird, 21 septembre 2012 - 11:13 .

[Yevetha]

Yeah, for all we know, Cullen crushes on a female mage because he's into redheaded woman, or women with blue eyes, or elves/humans, or 'insert arbitrary feature of your mage PC here', not because she is female.



And even then, just because he digs a (in this example) redhead, doesn't mean he won't go for a blonde if they connect on a deeper level.

The great thing about having preferences is that they don't necessarily dictake who we end up with.

Point being, "he was attracted to my female mage PC!" is no more 'evidence' of Cullen's inherent 'straightness' than Anders' appreciation of the female form was.  The only real evidence would be if the character in question turned down the PC because, "Sorry, I am only attracted to the opposite gender."  Everything else is speculation and interpretation.

Thats the thing though, its not like you have to pick a specific character for Cullen to be interested in teh female PC.  Blonde, burnette, redhead, human, or elf and he is still fascinated in her. The only thing in common is that the PC is female. While it might not be comprehensive proof, it is a strong indicator that he's interested in the ladies.  He shows no such interest in male mages. 

Thats not to say that bioware couldn't change him to be bi if they wanted to, but from what we know, its not in his character.

After all, if a demon is going to torture him with his fantasies from the depths of his mind, isn't going to be what he's actually interested in?

This is assuming that he is in the game and a companion to start with. Lets not get ahead of ourselves.

Modifié par Yevetha, 21 septembre 2012 - 11:32 .

[MorningBird]

Yevetha wrote...
Thats the thing though, its not like you have to pick a specific character for Cullen to be interested in teh female PC.  Blonde, burnette, redhead, human, or elf and he is still fascinated in her. The only thing in common is that the PC is female. While it might not be comprehensive proof, it is a strong indicator that he's interested in the ladies.  He shows no such interest in male mages. 

Thats not to say that bioware couldn't change him to be bi if they wanted to, but from what we know, its not in his character.

After all, if a demon is going to torture him with his fantasies from the depths of his mind, isn't going to be what he's actually interested in?

Once again 'happens to like this one girl' is not proof, comprehensive or otherwise.  He could like the female PC for any number of reasons that are not explained during his limited screen time.  If you really want to jump to the conclusion that 'gender' is the only reason he became romantically interested in the PC (as opposed to personality, admiration, or heck, he just likes his redheaded woman) I can just as easily point out that he could have fallen for any woman in the circle tower, templar or mage alike, if 'female' was the only objective quality he was looking for.

Instead, Cullen is drawn to the female PC in specific, and it could be for any reason up to and including 'the male mage PC just wasn't his type'.

Yeah, that can happen! Occasionally, bi individuals find themselves  liking/preferring different qualities in different genders!

And I'm not trying to be condescending here (I just really like emotes) I'm only pointing this out because I'm starting to get the impression that people honestly think bi means the qualities you find attractive in woman you  must also find attractive in men, and it doesn't.

Yevetha wrote...
This is assuming that he is in the game and a companion to start with. Lets not get ahead of ourselves.

This is true, and as I've mentioned before, I'm not even a huge Cullen fan (more of a fan of everyone getting equal opportunity/representation) but you know, if BioWare did make Cullen a party member and straight LI in DA3... I would agree with you!  DAO would support that.

All I'm saying is that if they decided instead to make him bi it would hardly be a retcon, unexplainable, or out of character unless your made the assumption he was straight before it was confirmed in the game.  Until then, anything is on the table.

Modifié par MorningBird, 22 septembre 2012 - 12:05 .

[Zkyire]

You know what? I'd love for Cullen to be gay or bi.

And then tell the PC "No thanks, I'm not interested in you."

Modifié par Zkyire, 21 septembre 2012 - 11:53 .

[MorningBird]

Zkyire wrote...

You know what? I'd love for Cullen to be gay or bi.

And then tell the PC "No thanks, I'm not interested in you."

Oddly enough, I also support this.  I like to call it the Aveline/Varric approach.

[Zkyire]

MorningBird wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

You know what? I'd love for Cullen to be gay or bi.

And then tell the PC "No thanks, I'm not interested in you."

Oddly enough, I also support this.  I like to call it the Aveline/Varric approach.

Yeah, I actually liked that Aveline turns you down. Makes it a bit more believable.

[BioFan (Official)]

Plaintiff wrote...

We can play "the naughty mage and the helpless recruit".

PLEASE OH PLEASE!!! 

[MorningBird]

Zkyire wrote...

MorningBird wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

You know what? I'd love for Cullen to be gay or bi.

And then tell the PC "No thanks, I'm not interested in you."

Oddly enough, I also support this.  I like to call it the Aveline/Varric approach.

Yeah, I actually liked that Aveline turns you down. Makes it a bit more believable.

Agreed!  It was equal parts sad/hilarious to see the fan reaction to that. XD  So many PC's left scatching their heads, wondering why they can't have everyone they want.

Aveline/Varric, the heartbreakers.

[Biotic_Warlock]

Ericander77 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

We can play "the naughty mage and the helpless recruit".

PLEASE OH PLEASE!!! 

[Blackrising]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Ericander77 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

We can play "the naughty mage and the helpless recruit".

PLEASE OH PLEASE!!! 

I'd be strangely okay with that.

Congratulations, you just bumped Cullen onto second place in my list of characters I look forward to romancing.

[AdmiralDavidAnderson]

Blackrising wrote...

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Ericander77 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

We can play "the naughty mage and the helpless recruit".

PLEASE OH PLEASE!!! 

I'd be strangely okay with that.

Congratulations, you just bumped Cullen onto second place in my list of characters I look forward to romancing.

Who's first?

[Blackrising]

AdmiralDavidAnderson wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Ericander77 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

We can play "the naughty mage and the helpless recruit".

PLEASE OH PLEASE!!! 

I'd be strangely okay with that.

Congratulations, you just bumped Cullen onto second place in my list of characters I look forward to romancing.

Who's first?

Cassandra. Unless they introduce a female Kossith LI.

[Lotion Soronarr]

MorningBird wrote...
Plus, I am fearful of the inevitable wangst machine that will rear its ugly head when people start realizing, "I can't romance my favorite character because they're straight/gay."



Then the unsatisfying 'make so and so straight/gay' mods with crop up, and everyone will collectively start scratching  their heads and wonder why everyone wasn't made accessible to PCs of both genders straight from the very beginning.

Why should the devlopers care about stupid wangst?
That 's what good about modability. You can romance the donkey in front of the pub if you so wish.

The developers should focus on mechanics and gemplay and least this romance crap for last.

[Lotion Soronarr]

bleetman wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Unless stated otherwise he's assumed straight because that's the norm.

So have him state otherwise. Problem solved. Immersion retained. Consistency established. Yadda yadda, etc.

Hey wait a minute.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The "unless it's specificly denied" argument is pointless because it can be used ot justify every crappy decision in existnece. Every single one. It's as useless as "a wizzard did it".

Ah, double standards. We meet again.

So, we're allowed to assume heterosexuality on his part on the basis that he's never said otherwise. However, others aren't allowed to suggest that maybe we shouldn't just assume that simply on the basis he never said otherwise, because reasons. I see.

Yes. We are allowed so assume heterosexuality because that's all he dispalyed. At no point was there even a hint of anything else.
Of course, one can assume whatever one watns but that doesn't make that assuzmnption likely or credible.

I can - for example - assume that Fenris is actually a tevinter agent working for another magister. Or  I can assume Varric is actually an alien in disguise. Tehre's nothing specificly in game to deny either of it, is there?

[Gileadan]

Eh, I tend to assume what's most common, which in the case of sexual orientation is heterosexuality as far as I know. As an example, replace sexual orientation with nationality for a moment. Were a RPG set in Moscow/Russia, I would assume most NPCs to be Russians... except that in a game like DA2, I'd end up with three Russians, four Americans and three Brits. Of course it's not unrealistic that there's four Americans and three Brits somewhere in Moscow, there are certainly way more of them around, but given how many Russians crowd the place, wouldn't that be a weird combination of nationalities in my party? Why would I assume that anyone I meet is an American or Brit until they show me their ID and prove me wrong?

[Blackrising]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

MorningBird wrote...
Plus, I am fearful of the inevitable wangst machine that will rear its ugly head when people start realizing, "I can't romance my favorite character because they're straight/gay."



Then the unsatisfying 'make so and so straight/gay' mods with crop up, and everyone will collectively start scratching  their heads and wonder why everyone wasn't made accessible to PCs of both genders straight from the very beginning.

Why should the devlopers care about stupid wangst?
That 's what good about modability. You can romance the donkey in front of the pub if you so wish.

The developers should focus on mechanics and gemplay and least this romance crap for last.

Why doesn't ANYBODY here care for the console gamers?!

[moilami]

Whatever, DA2 was so gay that if everyone would be gay in DA3 it would just be in-line and not end of the line.

[moilami]

As a matter of fact, if DA3 happens in Orlais make everyone in Orlais bi, and those outside Orlais challenging their monosexuality and discovering their bisexuality.

[DAFerelden91]

I always have a thing for forbidden love, so I am giving my full support to this course.

[CrazyRah]

I don't see why not. Better people get the option and can decide if they want to use it or not than not having the option

[Arch1eviathan]

mage on templar hate sex option or gtfo!

[jillabender]

Zkyire wrote...

You know what? I'd love for Cullen to be gay or bi.

And then tell the PC "No thanks, I'm not interested in you."

I think that would be very refreshing!

Modifié par jillabender, 23 septembre 2012 - 10:52 .

[jillabender]

jillabender wrote…

With respect, I'm puzzled by describing the possibility of Cullen being romanceable by a male character as a potential "retcon" – why does the fact that Cullen "never showed a hint of bisexuality" mean that there's no possibility he could ever have been anything but straight?

In the case of most real-life people who are bisexual, you wouldn't know they're bisexual unless they've told you – why would you assume that someone couldn't possibly be bisexual without bringing it up?

Zkyire wrote...

You have to remember that BSN logic is "If he never jumps up and shouts "HEY EVERYONE I ONLY LIKE WOMEN!" at the top of his voice, then he's probably bisexual.

I'm not sure whether your comment was directed at me, but I've seen this sentiment pop up a few times recently, so I feel the need to clarify something: I did not say that Cullen was "probably" bisexual.

If Lotion Soronnar, whom I was replying to, had simply said that Cullen seemed to him to be straight, I wouldn't have replied – I was taking issue only with the idea that Cullen couldn't possibly be anything but straight.

As I see it, I simply don't know Cullen's sexual orientation – I know that he was once attracted to a female mage, but I don't feel inclined to read too much into that, because I don't feel a strong need to know his sexual orientation.

Modifié par jillabender, 23 septembre 2012 - 11:01 .