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[arial]

 Hey,



The argument on these forums against Prequels always seems to be "No prequels suck!"

Im assumeing the only Prequels youve ever seen are the Star wars prequels.


Ever Read the Hobbit? it was a great book, but it was a PREQUEL to LOTR

Ever read "Narnia: The Magicians Nephew"? It was a good book, but it was a PREQUEl, to the lion the witch and the wardrobe

Ever read "First King of Shannara" it was a great book,, but at the same time it was a PREQUEL to the Sword of Shannara.



So anyways, prequels CAN suck, but it is not doomed to suck simply because it is a prequel.



I would personally love a prequel!

[JimJamBimBam]

Seriously?! The Hobbit was written before Lord of the Rings dude... that's not a prequel...

Modifié par JimJamBimBam, 21 septembre 2012 - 01:24 .

[Dubozz]

JimJamBimBam wrote...

Seriously?! The Hobbit was written before Lord of the Rings dude... that's not a prequel...

[Junroku]

We already know whats happened. It's called the codex. Plus, one of the biggest parts of Mass Effect has been player choice. How are you going to make choices for something that has already happened?

[hostaman]

JimJamBimBam wrote...

Seriously?! The Hobbit was written before Lord of the Rings dude... that's not a prequel...

Beat me to it.


Ok name one Prequel Movie that didn't suck?  Or Prequel game - if there is one?

[JimJamBimBam]

hostaman wrote...

JimJamBimBam wrote...

Seriously?! The Hobbit was written before Lord of the Rings dude... that's not a prequel...

Beat me to it.


Ok name one Prequel Movie that didn't suck?  Or Prequel game - if there is one?

Deus Ex: Human Revolution :happy:

[.shea.]

hostaman wrote...
Or Prequel game - if there is one?

Kotor? Deus Ex:HR?

Modifié par Chouan, 21 septembre 2012 - 01:29 .

[Enhanced]

I agree. For example, Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater was a great prequel.

Modifié par Enhanced, 21 septembre 2012 - 01:29 .

[Argolas]

One of my favourite books is a prequel: "The Children of Húrin"

[PanzerGr3nadier]

JimJamBimBam wrote...

hostaman wrote...

JimJamBimBam wrote...

Seriously?! The Hobbit was written before Lord of the Rings dude... that's not a prequel...

Beat me to it.


Ok name one Prequel Movie that didn't suck?  Or Prequel game - if there is one?

Deus Ex: Human Revolution :happy:

We do not speak of his name!! 

While sequels are not always bad, there is always the fact that we all know what happens next.

E:

Enhanced wrote...

I agree. For example, Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater was a great prequel.

Aye, The prime example!

Modifié par PanzerGr3nadier, 21 septembre 2012 - 01:37 .

[Arcadian Legend]

Enhanced wrote...

I agree. For example, Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater was a great prequel.

This, this x1000.

[Xellith]

CRAB BATTLE!

www.youtube.com/watch

[Red Dust]

Ever Read the Hobbit? it was a great book, but it was a PREQUEL to LOTR

No, The Lord of the Rings was a sequel to The Hobbit, as it was released years after. However, a second edition of The Hobbit was released well after the original printing that contained a vastly revised "Riddles in the Dark" chapter, laden with foreshadowing to The Lord of the The Rings trilogy.

Still, not a prequel. The Lord of the Rings are sequels.

[JimJamBimBam]

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

We do not speak of his name!! 

While sequels are not always bad, there is always the fact that we all know what happens next.

Not necessarily. Whilst we may know what happens in the end for many events in the ME universe, we also haven't even heard of many of the events that could have happened. Not everything is in recorded history after all, and the next game could feature the untold story of a struggling mercenary crew in the Terminus Systems, gang life in the Citadel Wards, the many missions of a group of STG soldiers. Granted, hopefully the devs could think of better ideas than me, but you get the idea. There are many untold stories that could be told.

[Arcadian Legend]

Xellith wrote...

CRAB BATTLE!

www.youtube.com/watch

OLIOLIOOOOOO

[Ozida]

Maybe prequels don't suck in other media, but there are very high chances they will in ME franchise.

[villevalo]

Unless the prequel is set in a previous cycle, then we know whats going to happen, and even if it is in a previous cycle we all know the reapers won anyway.

Regardless the the last 20 mins of the series, the whole game is built up of choices and the eventual consequences of those choices. A game set before ME1 will have no impact on anything. Sure it'll be a ok to play a game set in first contact war or Krogan rebellions but we all know what the outcome of that is.

I wont even comment on the examples given in the OP but I'll assume we all know that arial has a tricky time defining what a prequel actually is. Often they are done because its an easy way to get a little more mileage out of a tired series.

ME as a whole is not tired nor finished in anyway, given that the endings whilst they may seem to be a pick your own flavour of suicide, they give different situations moving forward. So in any scenario ME4 set in a post ME3 ME universe will be an exciting fresh new place to explore and set a game in.

It really puzzles me why some, and its a loud minority, want a prequel ME4, for Gods sake why? You've spent nearly 5 years playing a series, invested many hours and money into it, enjoy it enough to post frequently on here, why would you want them to make a game and a story that you already know. Why wouldnt you want to look forward into a brand new expansive universe where, touch wood, the implications of what you did throughout 1-3 will be explored further.

I certainly hope Bioware and the guys working on 4 will make a game, post ME3 and to not take many steps backward illustrating a picture we already know.

Modifié par villevalo, 21 septembre 2012 - 01:57 .

[PrimeOfValor]

I don't have any problem with prequels, but the only problem that I do have is that there will may be too many prequels in ME franchise. It is best for some of them to be a game while tohers can be books or comics.

[Peranor]

arial wrote...

 Hey,



The argument on these forums against Prequels always seems to be "No prequels suck!"

Im assumeing the only Prequels youve ever seen are the Star wars prequels.


Ever Read the Hobbit? it was a great book, but it was a PREQUEL to LOTR

Ever read "Narnia: The Magicians Nephew"? It was a good book, but it was a PREQUEl, to the lion the witch and the wardrobe

Ever read "First King of Shannara" it was a great book,, but at the same time it was a PREQUEL to the Sword of Shannara.



So anyways, prequels CAN suck, but it is not doomed to suck simply because it is a prequel.



I would personally love a prequel!

Remember that Charles Manson also liked prequels. You don't want to be like Charles Manson do you?
No, of course not. So vote NO to prequels!

[Fixers0]

We allready sorta got a prequal with Mass Effect: evolution. And the one thing that immediatly stood out to me was that the technology level of both the Alliance and the Turians was exactly similiar to that of Mass Effect 1, 2&3

[PrimeOfValor]

villevalo wrote...

Unless the prequel is set in a previous cycle, then we know whats going to happen, and even if it is in a previous cycle we all know the reapers won anyway.

Regardless the the last 20 mins of the series, the whole game is built up of choices and the eventual consequences of those choices. A game set before ME1 will have no impact on anything. Sure it'll be a ok to play a game set in first contact war or Krogan rebellions but we all know what the outcome of that is.

I wont even comment on the examples given in the OP but I'll assume we all know that arial has a tricky time defining what a prequel actually is. Often they are done because its an easy way to get a little more mileage out of a tired series.

ME as a whole is not tired nor finished in anyway, given that the endings whilst they may seem to be a pick your own flavour of suicide, they give different situations moving forward. So in any scenario ME4 set in a post ME3 ME universe will be an exciting fresh new place to explore and set a game in.

It really puzzles me why some, and its a loud minority, want a prequel ME4, for Gods sake why? You've spent nearly 5 years playing a series, invested many hours and money into it, enjoy it enough to post frequently on here, why would you want them to make a game and a story that you already know. Why wouldnt you want to look forward into a brand new expansive universe where, touch wood, the implications of what you did throughout 1-3 will be explored further.

I certainly hope Bioware and the guys working on 4 will make a game, post ME3 and to not take many steps backward illustrating a picture we already know.

I suggest a spinoff that takes place in ME3 while playing as a different protaganist because there are still some stuff in the reaper wars that bioware couldn't or didn't showed in shepard's story like just being an ordinary grunt of any race and class. 

Prequel or sequel has a lot of.....mixed results.

I'm all for a sequel to love seeing on how life progress after the reaper wars. (prequels, I'll buy  two or three max, the rest I'll watch them on youtube).

Modifié par bigmass41, 21 septembre 2012 - 02:17 .

[Dubozz]

There are some huge problems about all this "ME prequel" thing.
1. We all know how it will end (exept for color).
2. Human history in ME universe is too short and it have no interesting events. And since nobody likes to play aliens we are almost out of moves.
3. ME scale of events is too big for some c-sec officer without personal frigate. (it would be like Kirkwall, if you know what i mean)

[The RPGenius]

hostaman wrote...

Ok name one Prequel Movie that didn't suck?  Or Prequel game - if there is one?

Oh boy!  I do so love it when I get to make some use of my excessive knowledge of RPGs.


Lufia 2 (the real one, not the recent ****ty SquareEnix remake).  Not only did Lufia 2 not suck, it was a FAR superior product to its predecessor, and was one of the best RPGs to ever be made for the SNES (which, given that the SNES was basically THE RPG machine, says a great deal).

Knights of the Old Republic 1 can be considered a prequel, and I daresay it not only doesn't suck, but is actually better than even the original trilogy.  (KotOR2 I don't count here since, though a prequel again to the main movies, it can be seen as a sequel to KotOR1, too).

Valkyrie Profile: Covenant of the Plume is a prequel to the original VP1, and it's absolutely terrific.  Though I'd be yelled at for it, I'd go so far as to say that it's better even than the original VP1, albeit only barely.

Metroid Prime 1 is a prequel to Metroid 2 and Super Metroid, and it's an extremely worthy title in the excellent Metroid series.  (MP2 and 3 don't count here, for the same reason as KotOR2).

Baten Kaitos 2 is a very good game and prequel to Baten Kaitos 1.

The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword is a prequel to all other games in the Zelda series, and I'd say it's the second best game in the entire series.  Even if one disagrees with just how it compares to the others, you'll be hard-pressed to find someone who doesn't at least think it's a solid game.

Suikoden 5 is loosely a prequel to all the other Suikoden games set in the same world, and it's...well...sort of good.  It didn't SUCK, at least, and that's what you specified.

Xenosaga: Pied Piper is a prequel to the Xenosaga games, and it's fairly decent.  You can at least understand what the hell is happening during it, mostly, so it's at least better than 2/3 of the main Xenosaga series.



Of course, I don't want them to make a Mass Effect 4, period, prequel or not, so it's all a moot point for me.  But no, prequels do not all suck, and a great many, in fact, are just as good or even better than the originals.  In fact, I suspect that the ratio of quality prequels to crap prequels is actually better than the ratio of quality sequels to crap sequels.  Might need to look into that idea...

Modifié par The RPGenius, 21 septembre 2012 - 02:16 .

[Reth Shepherd]

Guys/gals. Take a look at the last few games Bioware has released. Take a good, lonnnnnnng, look. Now look me in the eye and tell me the odds of Bioware releasing a game, sequel OR prequel, that doesn't absolutely suck.

Oh, and for the record, with Bioware's recent revisionist discarding of Mass Effect's history and lore, no we DON'T nessessarily know what happened! We could suddenly find out tomorrow that humans have been in space for several centuries, or that the First Contact War was a part of the Krogan Rebellions and lasted for nearly two decades, or that the Asari attacked us in the present day and that's where the movie Independance Day came from!

Modifié par Reth Shepherd, 21 septembre 2012 - 02:19 .