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[inversevideo]

Jonathan Sud wrote...

Having three cliffhangers in one game, then going to a prequel, is a giant middle finger.

[Ender Ghost]

arial wrote...

 Hey,



The argument on these forums against Prequels always seems to be "No prequels suck!"

Im assumeing the only Prequels youve ever seen are the Star wars prequels.


Ever Read the Hobbit? it was a great book, but it was a PREQUEL to LOTR

Ever read "Narnia: The Magicians Nephew"? It was a good book, but it was a PREQUEl, to the lion the witch and the wardrobe

Ever read "First King of Shannara" it was a great book,, but at the same time it was a PREQUEL to the Sword of Shannara.



So anyways, prequels CAN suck, but it is not doomed to suck simply because it is a prequel.



I would personally love a prequel!

Here's a thing about BSN, if something sucks, everything like it will automatically suck, Swtor? All MMOs suck! Starwars episodes 1-3? Prequels suck! This even applies to their view of ME after ME3 to an extent, ME3 sucked? ME1-2 must suck also! (If you don't believe me look around, there are a couple of people here who changed their opinions about ME1-2 after 3 came out).

Really don't try to reason with them, it won't work. Just like the Geth v Quarian debates, no one ever changes their opinion about that.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Why are you comparing books to games?

You should compare games to games, for EX, Halo Reach was horrible compared to H3.
Prequels don't work for video games that's a fact.

[brian t]

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

JimJamBimBam wrote...

hostaman wrote...

JimJamBimBam wrote...

Seriously?! The Hobbit was written before Lord of the Rings dude... that's not a prequel...

Beat me to it.


Ok name one Prequel Movie that didn't suck?  Or Prequel game - if there is one?

Deus Ex: Human Revolution :happy:

We do not speak of his name!! 

While sequels are not always bad, there is always the fact that we all know what happens next.

E:

Enhanced wrote...

I agree. For example, Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater was a great prequel.

Aye, The prime example!

See the thing is that we already know the ending so that kinda make a prequel pointless.

Modifié par brian t, 22 septembre 2012 - 01:21 .

[arial]

Ender Ghost wrote...

arial wrote...

 Hey,



The argument on these forums against Prequels always seems to be "No prequels suck!"

Im assumeing the only Prequels youve ever seen are the Star wars prequels.


Ever Read the Hobbit? it was a great book, but it was a PREQUEL to LOTR

Ever read "Narnia: The Magicians Nephew"? It was a good book, but it was a PREQUEl, to the lion the witch and the wardrobe

Ever read "First King of Shannara" it was a great book,, but at the same time it was a PREQUEL to the Sword of Shannara.



So anyways, prequels CAN suck, but it is not doomed to suck simply because it is a prequel.



I would personally love a prequel!

Here's a thing about BSN, if something sucks, everything like it will automatically suck, Swtor? All MMOs suck! Starwars episodes 1-3? Prequels suck! This even applies to their view of ME after ME3 to an extent, ME3 sucked? ME1-2 must suck also! (If you don't believe me look around, there are a couple of people here who changed their opinions about ME1-2 after 3 came out).

Really don't try to reason with them, it won't work. Just like the Geth v Quarian debates, no one ever changes their opinion about that.

I think you are correct

[o Ventus]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Prequels don't work for video games that's a fact.

Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

The PSP God of War games.

KH: Birth by Sleep.

Devil May Cry 3.

Dead Space Extraction.

[Baa Baa]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Why are you comparing books to games?

You should compare games to games, for EX, Halo Reach was horrible compared to H3.
Prequels don't work for video games that's a fact.

For you.
I thought H3 was actually the worst of the series.
And Deus Ex HR would like to have a word with you.

Modifié par Baa Baa, 22 septembre 2012 - 01:31 .

[Jamie9]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Why are you comparing books to games?

You should compare games to games, for EX, Halo Reach was horrible compared to H3.
Prequels don't work for video games that's a fact.

You don't know what a fact is. That, good sir, is an opinion.

Halo: Reach has a MUCH more emotional storyline than Halo 3. Noble Team were just as interesting (if not more so) than the Master Chief. Plus, that ending... <3 Of course, that is my opinion.

Deus Ex: Human Revolution. Loved by most.

Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater. Widely regarded as the best in the series. Was a prequel.

Modifié par Jamie9, 22 septembre 2012 - 02:42 .

[goose2989]

Prequels don't suck at all. I'm just really sick of them.

[CptSketch13]

i dont like knowing how its going to end already.

[MacNasty]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Why are you comparing books to games?

You should compare games to games, for EX, Halo Reach was horrible compared to H3.
Prequels don't work for video games that's a fact.

Reach wasn't horrible compared to it. It was just we already knew how it ended, a large portion of lore was retconned, and the gameplay changed a bit too much. Not to mention they didn't have enough time to properly develop the characters, so they were a bit bland. 

Prequels can work. If we don't know that much about the situation. And that's can, not will. No gurantees. And knowing the ending doesn't help, maybe just an event that was mentioned, and the ending wasn't know. But just how it ended, not how that conclusion came to be. Such as the Rachni Wars. We know they were won, and that the Krogan won them, but there's not strict documentation of the ending of it, at least that I know of.

[Jamie9]

For those saying there's no fun to be had between 2157-2183, I'd like to bring up a direct comparison - Mass Effect: Revelation.

It takes place in 2165. IMO, it was a good story. The Mass Effect universe is so large and diverse they really could just have us go anywhere and it be interesting.

Modifié par Jamie9, 22 septembre 2012 - 03:53 .

[AresKeith]

Jamie9 wrote...

For those saying there's no fun to be had between 2157-2183, I'd like to bring up a direct comparison - Mass Effect: Revelation.

It takes place in 2165. IMO, it was a good story. The Mass Effect universe is so large and diverse they really could just have us go anywhere and it be interesting.

its a good story but not worthy of being a game

[arial]

AresKeith wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

For those saying there's no fun to be had between 2157-2183, I'd like to bring up a direct comparison - Mass Effect: Revelation.

It takes place in 2165. IMO, it was a good story. The Mass Effect universe is so large and diverse they really could just have us go anywhere and it be interesting.

its a good story but not worthy of being a game

not "Worthy" of being a game?

Books are a much higher, more nobel form of media then a game.

If anything ME doesn't desverve to be a book.

Games are fun and entertaining, but they will never match up to a good book.

Speaking of which, I better go finish the last few chapters of "Elf Stones of Shannara"

[Epique Phael767]

o Ventus wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Prequels don't work for video games that's a fact.

Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

The PSP God of War games.

KH: Birth by Sleep.

Devil May Cry 3.

Dead Space Extraction.

Just... LOL

[AresKeith]

arial wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

For those saying there's no fun to be had between 2157-2183, I'd like to bring up a direct comparison - Mass Effect: Revelation.

It takes place in 2165. IMO, it was a good story. The Mass Effect universe is so large and diverse they really could just have us go anywhere and it be interesting.

its a good story but not worthy of being a game

not "Worthy" of being a game?

Books are a much higher, more nobel form of media then a game.

If anything ME doesn't desverve to be a book.

Games are fun and entertaining, but they will never match up to a good book.

Speaking of which, I better go finish the last few chapters of "Elf Stones of Shannara"

umm Mass Effect is fanchise not just a game series, so its much worthy of having books. What I meant was Revelation is too short to be a game and the whole thing basically got summed up by both Anderson and Sanders

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Baa Baa wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Why are you comparing books to games?

You should compare games to games, for EX, Halo Reach was horrible compared to H3.
Prequels don't work for video games that's a fact.

For you.
I thought H3 was actually the worst of the series.
And Deus Ex HR would like to have a word with you.

Well, maybe not for all cases, I over did it.
Still Prequels usually suck or just lack interest. 

[Astralify]

inversevideo wrote...

Jonathan Sud wrote...

Having three cliffhangers in one game, then going to a prequel, is a giant middle finger.

[CrazyRah]

Not all prequels have to suck but i've a very bad experience with them, namely that most of them do suck

[RebelTitan428]

halo reach

[Han Shot First]

While prequels in general do not automatically suck, they don't make good settings for an RPG. The player already knows how the story ends, and since the prequel already has a canon storyline the player has no ability to shape events in the world in which the game as set.

The other problem with prequels, as far as Mass Effect is concerned, is that a prequel would be set in a much smaller section of the galaxy with less factions involved. The First Contact War for example would only involve humans and Turians, while during the Rachni Wars contact hasn't been made yet with either humanity or the Turians.

It makes much more sense for Bioware to make a sequel.

[estebanus]

The problem with a preguel is that your decisions really won't end up mattering in the end anyway. Say for example we take an earlier cycle, like the protheans. What use is there in playing that kinda game, knowing what in the end happened to them?

Or let's take a game that plays during the events of the ME series, just from the perspective of someone else. You know that no matter what you do, there'll be no mention of you in ME3, and your decisions won't impact the world anyway.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Actually they can do anything they want. They can go sequel with no save game import.

If Mac and Casey have nothing to do with it (and honestly I hope to god they don't), the next lead writer can write a sequel set after the reaper war where everything is like this by retconning the ending of ME3:

* the reapers and the Citadel AI controlling them are destroyed. Let's get rid of the leviathans while we're at it.

* Shepard survived. Anderson survived. Hackett retired.

* minor damage to the relays is being repaired an will be done in few months to the major connections (direct connections to Palaven, Thessia, Arcturus, Rannoch, Khar'Shan, Sur'Kesh, Tuchanka, Illium, Omega), and in a few years system wide. Others will come online during the game.

* the rebuilding of the worlds is going to take a while.

* the rebuilding of the Citadel is going to take decades but is underway.

* the geth may or may not have been affected (depending upon the preference).

Okay now this sets up the universe on a blank slate. Write a good story. And do so with peer review.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 23 septembre 2012 - 11:13 .

[hpjay]

Red Dust wrote...

Ever Read the Hobbit? it was a great book, but it was a PREQUEL to LOTR

No, The Lord of the Rings was a sequel to The Hobbit, as it was released years after. However, a second edition of The Hobbit was released well after the original printing that contained a vastly revised "Riddles in the Dark" chapter, laden with foreshadowing to The Lord of the The Rings trilogy.

Still, not a prequel. The Lord of the Rings are sequels.

They changed the "Riddles in the Dark" chapter!?    But what about "artistic integrity"?

[ediskrad327]

Astralify wrote...

inversevideo wrote...

Jonathan Sud wrote...

Having three cliffhangers in one game, then going to a prequel, is a giant middle finger.

i think it's an even bigger middle finger to say "screw your choices and your Shepard. prepare to get our flat and boring Shepard canon shoved down your throats"