You're right, prequels don't generally suck, but they would in the Mass Effect franchise, which is a series based on individual player choice (or lack thereof later on)
Prequels do NOT suck
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#152
Posté 23 septembre 2012 - 11:58
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Reth Shepherd wrote...
Guys/gals. Take a look at the last few games Bioware has released. Take a good, lonnnnnnng, look. Now look me in the eye and tell me the odds of Bioware releasing a game, sequel OR prequel, that doesn't absolutely suck.
Oh, and for the record, with Bioware's recent revisionist discarding of Mass Effect's history and lore, no we DON'T nessessarily know what happened! We could suddenly find out tomorrow that humans have been in space for several centuries, or that the First Contact War was a part of the Krogan Rebellions and lasted for nearly two decades, or that the Asari attacked us in the present day and that's where the movie Independance Day came from!
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#153
Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 12:07
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Yes they do.
They do.
They create briar nests of continuity errors, they take place prior to the Time of Interest, are removed from the Here and Now, and the endings are always historically fixed, I always know what will happen. They often tell the stories of characters I’m not interested or invested in. On the rare occasion the prequel characters are better than the original characters, I feel like the series spotlighted the wrong people or was set in the wrong time.
There are plenty of good prequels, but in general they are very hit and miss. Approach with caution, says I.
They do.
They create briar nests of continuity errors, they take place prior to the Time of Interest, are removed from the Here and Now, and the endings are always historically fixed, I always know what will happen. They often tell the stories of characters I’m not interested or invested in. On the rare occasion the prequel characters are better than the original characters, I feel like the series spotlighted the wrong people or was set in the wrong time.
There are plenty of good prequels, but in general they are very hit and miss. Approach with caution, says I.
#154
Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 12:23
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Only prequel I'd be interested in is a game similar to Republic Commando focusing on STG squad. Otherwise, NO MORE MASS EFFECT
#155
Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 12:27
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no Poorly written Prequels do suck.
#156
Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 12:32
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Why is this thread rated 5 stars? Everyone knows a prequel would suck.
What happened to you arial?
What happened to you arial?
#157
Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 12:34
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Jade8aby88 wrote...
Why is this thread rated 5 stars? Everyone knows a prequel would suck.
What happened to you arial?
Stupid earth clan.
#158
Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 12:42
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Ghost1017 wrote...
Jade8aby88 wrote...
Why is this thread rated 5 stars? Everyone knows a prequel would suck.
What happened to you arial?
Stupid earth clan.
Oh shut it Din!
(always wanted to say that
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#159
Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 12:46
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It is hard to make a ME3 prequel since it is based on choice. And we already know what happens in the past
#160
Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 12:52
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Jade8aby88 wrote...
Ghost1017 wrote...
Jade8aby88 wrote...
Why is this thread rated 5 stars? Everyone knows a prequel would suck.
What happened to you arial?
Stupid earth clan.
Oh shut it Din!
(always wanted to say that
I am a biotic god!
#161
Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 12:56
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Prequels may not suck but i sure as hell don't care about one involving ME.
#162
Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 01:35
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Halo Reach was a prequel and holds one of the best campaigns in the series.
#163
Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 01:36
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xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...
Halo Reach was a prequel and holds one of the best campaigns in the series.
Halo and Mass Effect are too different games
#164
Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 01:41
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AresKeith wrote...
xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...
Halo Reach was a prequel and holds one of the best campaigns in the series.
Halo and Mass Effect are too different games
So what you're saying is.... ??? What exactly? That it's okay to use examples like The Hobbit, Deus Ex... but not Halo? I don't follow..
#165
Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 02:00
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xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...
AresKeith wrote...
xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...
Halo Reach was a prequel and holds one of the best campaigns in the series.
Halo and Mass Effect are too different games
So what you're saying is.... ??? What exactly? That it's okay to use examples like The Hobbit, Deus Ex... but not Halo? I don't follow..
a Mass Effect prequel wouldn't work because Mass Effect was built around choices
#166
Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 02:26
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Ghost1017 wrote...
Jade8aby88 wrote...
Ghost1017 wrote...
Jade8aby88 wrote...
Why is this thread rated 5 stars? Everyone knows a prequel would suck.
What happened to you arial?
Stupid earth clan.
Oh shut it Din!
(always wanted to say that
I am a biotic god!
Will you toss Wasea about like a rag doll for me?
#167
Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 02:30
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sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Ghost1017 wrote...
Jade8aby88 wrote...
Ghost1017 wrote...
Jade8aby88 wrote...
Why is this thread rated 5 stars? Everyone knows a prequel would suck.
What happened to you arial?
Stupid earth clan.
Oh shut it Din!
(always wanted to say that
I am a biotic god!
Will you toss Wasea about like a rag doll for me?
nobody tosses Wasea but me
lol
#168
Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 04:35
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Sadly they may have proved this wrong, given the railroading of choices in ME3. If they continue down the route carved by the Racchni Queen, Collector Base, and Human Council choices they will not have to worry about continuity errors at all:garrusfan1 wrote...
It is hard to make a ME3 prequel since it is based on choice. And we already know what happens in the past
'Do you want to kill the Blue Suns Merc or let the Blue Suns Merc die?'
You have ten seconds to choose or the Blue Suns Merc will cough and inexplicably fall dead...
Modifié par drayfish, 24 septembre 2012 - 04:37 .
#169
Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 04:36
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Junroku wrote...
We already know whats happened. It's called the codex. Plus, one of the biggest parts of Mass Effect has been player choice. How are you going to make choices for something that has already happened?
Yeah that's my feeling on the matter too. It's not that I think a prequel "sucks" as such, it's just I personally don't find myself particularly interested in playing something I already know the outcome of even on the first playthrough.
#170
Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 05:47
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You can do a good prequel, yes. In fact, BioWare actually did do one. It's called Knights of the Old Republic, and it was a prequel to Star Wars. And it worked because, despite being part of the Star Wars universe, it had absolutely nothing to do with what we'd seen before. The fact that we knew Anakin was going to turn into Vader didn't have any impact on the story told in KOTOR.
The problem with prequels are that they come before the established story. If you try to do a prequel that is directly tied to the established story, you have some large obstacles to overcome.
First, there's the problem that you already know how the story is going to end. The fight between Anakin, Palpetine, and Windu in the third movie lost the element of suspense because we knew what would happen. Who was in the Star Wars series? Anakin and Palpetine. So who was going to die in that battle? Give you one hint, it's not Anakin or Palpetine.
Second, character growth is backwards, within the larger context. This can help or hurt. It might be interesting for an audience to see a favorite character's beginnings, but it can just as easily turn out badly if that character doesn't fit expectations. Darth Vader is the ultimate galactic badass. Anakin Skywalker is a whiny kid who misses his mommy.
Third, you are much more constrained. You aren't letting a story grow from a natural point in the way that makes sense, you are trying to fit together a puzzle, while still trying to tell a coherent story. Details get missed. Details like Leia saying she remembered her mother's face when her mother died about a minute after she was born. Now, you can have this problem any time you have a larger story told across multiple stories. Like the entire plot of Mass Effect 3 ("We are beyond your comprehension." Oh really Sovereign? Cause, I didn't really find it that hard to understand). However, the problems are even more difficult because you now have to aim for a target. You don't just have to make sure you get the details right, you have to make sure that your universe is at the exact same point when you end your prequel as it was when you started the original.
So that's why prequels in general aren't very good. Now ME could do a prequel, but if they do, they shouldn't include Shepard at all, and they shouldn't have anything to do with the reapers at all if it takes place in this cycle. To be honest though, I seriously doubt it will be a prequel. Basically, it will be an expansion of the multiplayer aspect of ME3.
The problem with prequels are that they come before the established story. If you try to do a prequel that is directly tied to the established story, you have some large obstacles to overcome.
First, there's the problem that you already know how the story is going to end. The fight between Anakin, Palpetine, and Windu in the third movie lost the element of suspense because we knew what would happen. Who was in the Star Wars series? Anakin and Palpetine. So who was going to die in that battle? Give you one hint, it's not Anakin or Palpetine.
Second, character growth is backwards, within the larger context. This can help or hurt. It might be interesting for an audience to see a favorite character's beginnings, but it can just as easily turn out badly if that character doesn't fit expectations. Darth Vader is the ultimate galactic badass. Anakin Skywalker is a whiny kid who misses his mommy.
Third, you are much more constrained. You aren't letting a story grow from a natural point in the way that makes sense, you are trying to fit together a puzzle, while still trying to tell a coherent story. Details get missed. Details like Leia saying she remembered her mother's face when her mother died about a minute after she was born. Now, you can have this problem any time you have a larger story told across multiple stories. Like the entire plot of Mass Effect 3 ("We are beyond your comprehension." Oh really Sovereign? Cause, I didn't really find it that hard to understand). However, the problems are even more difficult because you now have to aim for a target. You don't just have to make sure you get the details right, you have to make sure that your universe is at the exact same point when you end your prequel as it was when you started the original.
So that's why prequels in general aren't very good. Now ME could do a prequel, but if they do, they shouldn't include Shepard at all, and they shouldn't have anything to do with the reapers at all if it takes place in this cycle. To be honest though, I seriously doubt it will be a prequel. Basically, it will be an expansion of the multiplayer aspect of ME3.
#171
Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 05:49
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Star Wars Prequels, The Thing (2011), The Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning, All-Star Batman & Robin the Boy Wonder, X-Men Origins: Wolverine (though I did enjoy it), X-Men: First class (didn't enjoy this one)
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater is a huge exception. One of the best games I've played. So, there might be hope for a Prequel to Mass Effect depending on if BioWare is given time and some writing. Like how Season 7 of 24 turned out after the writer's strike.
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater is a huge exception. One of the best games I've played. So, there might be hope for a Prequel to Mass Effect depending on if BioWare is given time and some writing. Like how Season 7 of 24 turned out after the writer's strike.
#172
Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 06:58
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JimJamBimBam wrote...
Seriously?! The Hobbit was written before Lord of the Rings dude... that's not a prequel...
its funny cause its true
#173
Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 07:39
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estebanus wrote...
You're right, prequels don't generally suck, but they would in the Mass Effect franchise, which is a series based on individual player choice (or lack thereof later on)
This.
Forward. Always forward.
#174
Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 08:05
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Who cares anyway......
With EA involved, and Biowares last 3 games DA2/TOR/ME3 then it's not gonna be epic of any sort anyway, it will be an action shooter with RPG elements for advertisement purposes...
With EA involved, and Biowares last 3 games DA2/TOR/ME3 then it's not gonna be epic of any sort anyway, it will be an action shooter with RPG elements for advertisement purposes...
#175
Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 08:31
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arial wrote...
Ever Read the Hobbit? it was a great book, but it was a PREQUEL to LOTR
Ever read "Narnia: The Magicians Nephew"? It was a good book, but it was a PREQUEl, to the lion the witch and the wardrobe
As always I did not read through the 7 pages of post, so if this was stated sorry.
In the case of the Hobbit, it was written first, then the lord of the rings. Jackson just made LotR first and is now making the Hobbit. I believe (but am not totaly sure) that the same goes for the Narnia books you listed (meaning the books were made in order but the movies were not).
With that said I don't mind prequels as long as they are good. The Star Wars prequels were not good. But the Star Trek (2009) was awsome. Promethus was ok, but not great.
All in all I give prequels a chance.
ps - The Hobbit "prequel" that is in the making is going to be broken up into 3 parts for the movie. I don't have high hopes for that one. But I will still give it a chance. As I would with an ME prequel.
