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[IanPolaris]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Are you guys still trying to tell David Gaider that he doesn't know his own characters and universe as well as you do? How many months/years has this been going on?

I know right?

In a thread that started because Gaider claimed atheism didn't exist, I'm not certain why you are agahst that some fans don't think that the developers are infallible.

Devolpers can change theier minds you know? Hideaki Anno has flip flopped on how Evangelion ended before just saying that it was open to interpatation. Point is that the creator/writer has final say on the characters if Gaider said the Warden died choking on their fork/spoon it'd be cannon regardless of the fandom's wishes.

Maybe, but the integrity and continuity of the Lore matters too especially in an RPG.  If you lose the audience's "willing suspension of disbelief" then the entire thing comes crashing down, and one of the easiest ways to do that is to violate your own preexisting lore.

-Polaris

You know there's this magical thing called a retcon....

That magical thing called a 'retcon' has to be used extremely carefully (see ME3) or you destroy your own story.

-Polaris

[AlienWolf728]

twincast wrote...
*snip*

There was so much pro-athiest boot-licking in that post it made me sick . I hate extremists.

Modifié par AlienWolf728, 21 septembre 2012 - 10:43 .

[Emzamination]

IanPolaris wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Incorrect, flemeth wants to preserve the dragons because she believes they are the life blood of the world.Now what was that morrigan said at red cliffe... O yes "Some things in this world are worth preserving warden, make of that what you will"

Which:

1.  Does not prove she worships them.

2. Does not in any way contradict my notion that they are a pathway to power.  In fact it reinforces it if you think about it a moment.

-Polaris

O wait I forgot "I will raise it alone and teach it to respect that from which it came" also from witch hunt "The child is a innocent warden, you endanger his life at your peril" Yeah, sounds like a total power trip.

[berelinde]

AlienWolf728 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

I'm on the religious war wagon, as long as the player character gets to shout stuff like "Burn heretic" or "By fire be purged" "For the Maker" "Die in the Maker's name" "I am the Maker's wrath".

Certainly sounds cooler than "Die in the non-existentant deity I don't believe in"

"Die in the name of Atheism!" "I'm gonna send you to the after-life that does not exist!".

Fun fact: Purple/sarcstic Hawke's battle cries do not reference Andraste or the Maker. Is anyone complaining about the lack of piety?

[Calians]

Quick Question
Does the world of Thedas even know the word meaning of atheism?

[mauro2222]

Emzamination you're seeing God as abstract, in Thedas, they seem to be very real. Think of them as super humans.

[AlienWolf728]

berelinde wrote...

AlienWolf728 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

I'm on the religious war wagon, as long as the player character gets to shout stuff like "Burn heretic" or "By fire be purged" "For the Maker" "Die in the Maker's name" "I am the Maker's wrath".

Certainly sounds cooler than "Die in the non-existentant deity I don't believe in"

"Die in the name of Atheism!" "I'm gonna send you to the after-life that does not exist!".

Fun fact: Purple/sarcstic Hawke's battle cries do not reference Andraste or the Maker. Is anyone complaining about the lack of piety?

Cool?

[Kyneris]

My warden (who is the virtual representation of myself, which means that I use my own morality/views to make choices etc) is a mage who (in his opinion )is being oppressed by a religious institution that demands and enforces faith in a dogmatic belief system. He has seen no proof/evidence of a maker, only Templars and Priests telling him what he can or cannot do. Life in the Circle has made my warden very bitter towards representatives of the Chantry. (especially Templars) and skeptical towards the Maker's existence. (which could possible be a fabrication by one group to control another).

With that said, he realises that this doesn't mean that the Maker does not exist. It's quite possible that he does, but that the way the Chantry portrays him isn't who/what he actually is. Maybe the Maker is something other than a God ? Maybe a powerful and immortal mage from the distant past ? Something else entirely ?

My question is: Is this worldview of agnosticism/skepticism towards the maker and animosity towards the Chantry and the Templars a plausible worldview for my human mage warden to have ? It's what I've been playing as this whole time, if this isn't what the writers perceive the Warden player character to be, I would like to know.

Modifié par Kyneris, 21 septembre 2012 - 10:44 .

[Ryzaki]

Izhalezan wrote...

MichaelStuart wrote...

If I may ask another question

What is a GOD in Dragon Age?

Some guy who apparently falls in love with a mortal songstress and then goes around burning entire armies of her enemies and their crops and space magic, but, when it comes to saving her from execution, apparently can't do a bloody thing.

Not fair to call it space magic though. That's reserved for Synthesis.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 21 septembre 2012 - 10:42 .

[Shadow Fox]

IanPolaris wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Are you guys still trying to tell David Gaider that he doesn't know his own characters and universe as well as you do? How many months/years has this been going on?

I know right?

In a thread that started because Gaider claimed atheism didn't exist, I'm not certain why you are agahst that some fans don't think that the developers are infallible.

Devolpers can change theier minds you know? Hideaki Anno has flip flopped on how Evangelion ended before just saying that it was open to interpatation. Point is that the creator/writer has final say on the characters if Gaider said the Warden died choking on their fork/spoon it'd be cannon regardless of the fandom's wishes.

Maybe, but the integrity and continuity of the Lore matters too especially in an RPG.  If you lose the audience's "willing suspension of disbelief" then the entire thing comes crashing down, and one of the easiest ways to do that is to violate your own preexisting lore.

-Polaris

You know there's this magical thing called a retcon....

That magical thing called a 'retcon' has to be used extremely carefully (see ME3) or you destroy your own story.

-Polaris

Subjective for all it's detractors on the internet they're people who think it's a masterpiece.

[mauro2222]

Calians wrote...

Quick Question
Does the world of Thedas even know the word meaning of atheism?

Believer or non believer, that's it. You can believe in Andraste, the Maker, the Paragons, the Old Gods, or you don't.

[Emzamination]

mauro2222 wrote...

Emzamination you're seeing God as abstract, in Thedas, they seem to be very real. Think of them as super humans.

The archdemon is real. The child is real.

[MichaelStuart]

Calians wrote...

Quick Question
Does the world of Thedas even know the word meaning of atheism?

I believe the chantry know it as herasy

Modifié par MichaelStuart, 21 septembre 2012 - 10:47 .

[mauro2222]

Emzamination wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Emzamination you're seeing God as abstract, in Thedas, they seem to be very real. Think of them as super humans.

The archdemon is real. The child is real.

Exactly my point.

[Ryzaki]

MichaelStuart wrote...

Calians wrote...

Quick Question
Does the world of Thedas even know the word meaning of atheism?

I believe the chantry know it has herasy

Yeah if you don't believe in the maker you're just a heretic. There's no atheism. (as a term anyway).

[Sable Rhapsody]

I've always thought atheism in a setting like Thedas or, say, standard D&D comes off pretty much as Flat Earth Atheist. And this is as an atheist in real life. Doubt is one thing, distrust of the Chantry is another, but clearly there's something out there that allows people to blow stuff up with their brains.

[Biotic_Warlock]

I'd rather have my companion believe in the chef and not the maker as this sister seems to think.

Modifié par Biotic_Warlock, 21 septembre 2012 - 10:52 .

[LobselVith8]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

I've always thought atheism in a setting like Thedas or, say, standard D&D comes off pretty much as Flat Earth Atheist. And this is as an atheist in real life. Doubt is one thing, distrust of the Chantry is another, but clearly there's something out there that allows people to blow stuff up with their brains.

I'll let Morrigan address this:

Leliana: But this can't all be an accident. Spirits, magic, all these wondrous things around us both dark and light. You know these things exist.

Morrigan: The fact of their existence does not presuppose an intelligent design by some absentee father-figure.

Leliana: So it is all random, then? A happy coincidence that we are all here?

Morrigan: Attempting to impose order over chaos is futile. Nature is, by its very nature, chaotic.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 21 septembre 2012 - 10:51 .

[Emzamination]

mauro2222 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Emzamination you're seeing God as abstract, in Thedas, they seem to be very real. Think of them as super humans.

The archdemon is real. The child is real.

Exactly my point.

Those were my thoughts to begin with

[mauro2222]

Emzamination wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Emzamination you're seeing God as abstract, in Thedas, they seem to be very real. Think of them as super humans.

The archdemon is real. The child is real.

Exactly my point.

Those were my thoughts to begin with

Then... I don't know what the flute I read

[IanPolaris]

Emzamination wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Emzamination you're seeing God as abstract, in Thedas, they seem to be very real. Think of them as super humans.

The archdemon is real. The child is real.

Exactly my point.

Those were my thoughts to begin with

Just because something is real and has power doesn't mean you worship it (as a god).  That's the essential point.

-Polaris

[MichaelStuart]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

I've always thought atheism in a setting like Thedas or, say, standard D&D comes off pretty much as Flat Earth Atheist. And this is as an atheist in real life. Doubt is one thing, distrust of the Chantry is another, but clearly there's something out there that allows people to blow stuff up with their brains.

Is it Science?
Really, can't magic just be a force of nature?

[mauro2222]

That... I was trying to say that, but... what? ok, I think that my brain skipped something.

[Sable Rhapsody]

MichaelStuart wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

I've always thought atheism in a setting like Thedas or, say, standard D&D comes off pretty much as Flat Earth Atheist. And this is as an atheist in real life. Doubt is one thing, distrust of the Chantry is another, but clearly there's something out there that allows people to blow stuff up with their brains.

Is it Science?
Really, can't magic just be a force of nature?

Sure, but the way it's presented in Thedas so far has been supernatural.  Not to say that it couldn't be natural, but science doesn't really seem to be Thedas's thing.

It reminds me of the Eberron D&D setting.  Gods are worshipped, but they don't intervene directly in things like in Forgotten Realms.  And yet there's clearly still something out there; divine characters get powers just like they would in any other setting.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 21 septembre 2012 - 11:01 .