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[Onpoint17]

Yes. I use the wraith x on my Krogan Battlemaster. Its a great shotgun with high damage and allows a 200% CD.

[my Aim is True]

I see other players use it occasionally.
I tried it on my Krogan Vanguard, because the weight is attractive. It wasn't bad, nothing to write home about tho.  I only have level II, so maybe it's more useful at higher levels

Modifié par my Aim is True, 21 septembre 2012 - 04:39 .

[bunnylover]

I use the Wraith on my KroGuard. It's perfect for a KroGuard specced for all power damage and melee. Simply use your Charge and melee for primary damage and to keep enemies stunlocked. All that stunlock potential gives you plenty of time to headshot mooks constantly. Not so great about getting rid of bosses, admittedly, but if you're tanking to help out your team by pulling aggro and keeping mooks off teammates, this weapon is fantastic.

Edit:  This weapon only feels powerful when you're concentrating on getting constant headshots.  That's why I only use this weapon on close range stunlocking types.  

Modifié par bunnylover, 21 septembre 2012 - 05:01 .

[BeardyMcGoo]

ZombieGambit wrote...

At the very least it needs its third shot back.

Why did they nerf the already weakest UR and give it such a huge shotcoming in comparison to its uncommon twin? So dumb.

It never had a third shot. Part of the lore of the gun is that it holds less shots in exchange for more power and less weight.

I love the wraith. Slap it on an asari and go vanguarding like it's ME2. Love it on a batarian soldier, too. Mine's only at III, but I can still wreck with it on gold.

[Skullheart]

I use it in my Kroguard. It need a little rof buff and it will be worthy of its UR status.

[Kenadian]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

ZombieGambit wrote...

At the very least it needs its third shot back.

Why did they nerf the already weakest UR and give it such a huge shotcoming in comparison to its uncommon twin? So dumb.

The Saber and Black Widow are both weaker than the Wraith.

The Saber is easily one of the best precision weapons, and certainly is not weaker than the Wraith.

[Gamemako]

Kenadian wrote...

"Exaggeration" would be understating your exaggeration.

Shh! If everyone stops trying to make it out to be better than mediocre, then they might buff it into the tolerable range.

The gun has long needed a buff. It's not even good compared to the wider group of rares, let alone the ultra-rare status it holds. The Talon is the obvious comparison: the Talon is lighter, more accurate, more forgiving, and more damaging. The Claymore has higher sustained DPS than the Wraith has burst DPS, and it's a tier lower. Oh, and it's more accurate. The Paladin is long-range, lighter, and has higher burst DPS (and sustained if you add an ammo mod, but that's not necessarily fair). If I wanted to be a real dick, I'd compare the Mattock to the Wraith: the Mattock is two tiers lower, same weight class, longer range, and outdamages the Wraith. Not that I don't think the Mattock was buffed a bit too much, but c'mon, man. I can go on all day about guns that are better than the Wraith. The only ones that aren't better are the ones that nobody uses because they suck.

(And before anyone says it, I'm on PC and have no trouble meeting the 450RPM of the Mattock.)

[4ut0b4hn5child27]

I use that weapon on batarian as the symbol of their lost homeplanet and of course this weapon really good .you just need learn the timing so it wont shot prematurely.....

Modifié par 4ut0b4hn5child27, 21 septembre 2012 - 04:55 .

[drmoose00]

I want to like the wraith, but I cannot every justify it over the Talon.

[Gamemako]

Kenadian wrote...

The Saber is easily one of the best precision weapons, and certainly is not weaker than the Wraith.

It's a heavier, slower-firing, higher-recoil Paladin. Per-shot damage is almost identical.

[rlro]

Mumba1511 wrote...

I'm going to go ahead and leave this here.

Well, the video shows a pretty good player (congrats if that's you) with an AA using the Wraith and playing with bad team mates. I'm 100% sure, however, that she would do better with a Talon due to better CD. Also, that player even says in the video that it is the first video he makes using the Wraith and that Talon/Paladin would be better options for the AA.

So, what the point of using Wraith, anyway?

Modifié par rlro, 21 septembre 2012 - 05:00 .

[Kenadian]

Gamemako wrote...

Kenadian wrote...

"Exaggeration" would be understating your exaggeration.

Shh! If everyone stops trying to make it out to be better than mediocre, then they might buff it into the tolerable range.

The gun has long needed a buff. It's not even good compared to the wider group of rares, let alone the ultra-rare status it holds. The Talon is the obvious comparison: the Talon is lighter, more accurate, more forgiving, and more damaging. The Claymore has higher sustained DPS than the Wraith has burst DPS, and it's a tier lower. Oh, and it's more accurate. The Paladin is long-range, lighter, and has higher burst DPS (and sustained if you add an ammo mod, but that's not necessarily fair). If I wanted to be a real dick, I'd compare the Mattock to the Wraith: the Mattock is two tiers lower, same weight class, longer range, and outdamages the Wraith. Not that I don't think the Mattock was buffed a bit too much, but c'mon, man. I can go on all day about guns that are better than the Wraith. The only ones that aren't better are the ones that nobody uses because they suck.

(And before anyone says it, I'm on PC and have no trouble meeting the 450RPM of the Mattock.)

I don't think the Claymore is more accurate. Where do you get that it is? I'll certainly give you the Talon, between the modifiers it gets and its lighter weight it's a superior gun. The Wraith isn't supposed to outdamage the Claymore though, so moot comparison. The Mattock and Paladin aren't even shotguns, but even leaving that aside they don't fulfil even nearly similar, so moot comparison once again. The only two worth comparing it to are the Piranha and the Talon. The only thing the Wraith needs is a RoF buff. If it needed anything else, it would be a style change to differentiate it more from the Piranha. IE: Give it what the Eviscerator had in ME2, anti-armour properties.

Gamemako wrote...

Kenadian wrote...

The Saber is easily one of the best precision weapons, and certainly is not weaker than the Wraith.

It's a heavier, slower-firing, higher-recoil Paladin. Per-shot damage is almost identical.

With a much bigger clip and more spare ammo, giving much more staying power in a fight.

Modifié par Kenadian, 21 septembre 2012 - 05:04 .

[BeardyMcGoo]

rlro wrote...

 I'm 100% sure, however, that she would do better with a Talon due to better CD.

Yeah, that .3 of a second on their cooldown would make all the difference in the world.

[IndigoVitare]

I use it on my Batarian Soldier to great, recurring effect.

I've tried with the Talon before, and though I love the Talon, I prefer the higher damage per shot of the Wraith for CQC. Killing an enemy sooner rather than later is more important in such risky situations, and Ballistic Blades + Wraith does just that. Reegar has range problems. Claymore is too heavy. Piranha is the same story as the Talon.

The Wraith is very much a niche weapon, but that doesn't make it bad. I don't think it NEEDS a buff at all, though one would be welcome. It functions exactly as it should.

[Cyonan]

Gamemako wrote...
Shh! If everyone stops trying to make it out to be better than mediocre, then they might buff it into the tolerable range.

The gun has long needed a buff. It's not even good compared to the wider group of rares, let alone the ultra-rare status it holds. The Talon is the obvious comparison: the Talon is lighter, more accurate, more forgiving, and more damaging. The Claymore has higher sustained DPS than the Wraith has burst DPS, and it's a tier lower. Oh, and it's more accurate. The Paladin is long-range, lighter, and has higher burst DPS (and sustained if you add an ammo mod, but that's not necessarily fair). If I wanted to be a real dick, I'd compare the Mattock to the Wraith: the Mattock is two tiers lower, same weight class, longer range, and outdamages the Wraith. Not that I don't think the Mattock was buffed a bit too much, but c'mon, man. I can go on all day about guns that are better than the Wraith. The only ones that aren't better are the ones that nobody uses because they suck.

(And before anyone says it, I'm on PC and have no trouble meeting the 450RPM of the Mattock.)

Since I can say that the Mattock out damages the Talon and has much longer range is the Talon is useless too?

Actually, can I say they're all useless because the Harrier is more accurate and more damaging than all of them(Except equal accuracy to the Mattock)?

[Gamemako]

Kenadian wrote...

I don't think the Claymore is more accurate. Where do you get that it is? I'll certainly give you the Talon, between the modifiers it gets and its lighter weight it's a superior gun. The Wraith isn't supposed to outdamage the Claymore though, so moot comparison. The Mattock and Paladin aren't even shotguns, but even leaving that aside they don't fulfil even nearly similar, so moot comparison once again. The only two worth comparing it to are the Piranha and the Talon. The only thing the Wraith needs is a RoF buff. If it needed anything else, it would be a style change to differentiate it more from the Piranha. IE: Give it what the Eviscerator had in ME2, anti-armour properties.

I did some testing a while back using the SP at the range. Set number of shots, counted number of on-target hits. Didn't account for potential spread due to ROF. Accuracy is roughly the same from the hip (no statistically-significant difference) and the Claymore was better down the barrel. Unless something changed to MP (seems unlikely), then they should be the same. I could re-run the test and see if it's a random anomaly, but that seems unlikely. I'd also have to redo the binds to force equipping each gun again since I don't think I have that particular version of my coalesced around anymore...

Kenadian wrote...

With a much bigger clip and more spare ammo, giving much more staying power in a fight.

You mean staying-dead power?

I use the Paladin quite a bit and don't have issues running out of ammo very frequently. Even if I did, it's not like I don't have plenty of thermal clip packs to burn.

Cyonan wrote...

Since I can say that the Mattock out damages the Talon and has much longer range is the Talon is useless too?

Actually, can I say they're all useless because the Harrier is more accurate and more damaging than all of them(Except equal accuracy to the Mattock)?

The Talon is lighter and has superior DPS against shields and barriers. Even if we accept the over-buffed Mattock as a benchmark, the Talon is still superior. The Wraith, of course, just isn't.

As for the Harrier, I've been waiting for it to get nerfed for some time (as well you know). That said, the Talon is STILL lighter and STILL superior against shields/barriers.

[Black Phantom]

I regularly make a point of proving people who say the Wraith is bad wrong.

[DarkseidXIII]

If you have an opinion on which u.r. is worst, its obvious your not competent with all weapons. So the worst u.r. is the one in your hands. Learn to shoot. You disgust me.

[DarkseidXIII]

Ashen Earth wrote...

I regularly make a point of proving people who say the Wraith is bad wrong.

[Gamemako]

Ashen Earth wrote...

I regularly make a point of proving people who say the Wraith is bad wrong.

I regularly make a point of proving people who say the Drellguard is bad wrong.

Oh wait, no I don't. The Drellguard IS, in fact, complete and total ****! Shocker, I know. Yet, I use him anyway by offering superior skill and practice to overcome his awfulness. Does my ability to use him somehow elevate him to God-tier status, beyond all the middling Gethfiltrators? Of course not. That would be preposterous, and so is your suggestion that you somehow "prove" that the gun is worthwhile.

Modifié par Gamemako, 21 septembre 2012 - 05:59 .

[DarkseidXIII]

^^^^^^^^^^^^
Wow! Your so wrong it should hurt. Drellguard is amazing. Your awful and guess what, you disgust me

[Cyonan]

Gamemako wrote...
The Talon is lighter and has superior DPS against shields and barriers. Even if we accept the over-buffed Mattock as a benchmark, the Talon is still superior. The Wraith, of course, just isn't.

As for the Harrier, I've been waiting for it to get nerfed for some time (as well you know). That said, the Talon is STILL lighter and STILL superior against shields/barriers.

Shall I use the Particle Rifle? N7 Hurricane? Arc Pistol? N7 Typhoon?

Talon is nowhere close to being the highest damaging weapon in the game according to theorycrafting. Theorycrafting in itself is not even the only tool that should be used in balancing. That is why we call is theorycrafting, because it's only theory.

Given that you decided to completely ignore the Claymore's weight when comparing it to the Wraith, I'm sure you'll be willing overlook it in this case(though in the Hurricane's case it is lower), in the interest of not being biased =P

[Seifer006]

rlro wrote...

I have Wraith at level VII, but I never use it. The reason is that I think Reegar, Piranha, Claymore and Talon always do a better job than Wraith.

So I consider Wraith the worst Ultra-Rare (pretty much useless) and I think it really deserves a buff. I saw, however, some people saying that it is good the way it is. So I'd like to know if anyone would choose Wraith instead of Reegar, Piranha, Claymore and Talon for any class/build for any reason other than not having one of those weapons.

I'd really like to use mine, so if anyone gives a good suggestion, I'd be happy to hear.

I use it all the time next to the claymore. it's perfect for casting classes it's light & powerful though IMO it's not a UR

[Eriseley]

It's very different than the Piranha and Reegar. Can be much more accurate at range, and bursty instead of a stream of damage.

It's just way lighter than the Claymore, perhaps a bit more forgiving of misses, decently more accurate so while it may do less damage, there are times where more pellets should hit where you want 'em.

And the Talon, that's really the one that messes with my Wraith usage. It doesn't lose accuracy when you move or after you shoot, and it hits a bit harder...I switch between the two a lot.

[guitarsniper]

I use it on my destroyer. The ROF increase from devmode does wonders and the damage boost don't hurt none neither.