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#126
121210Olivia

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I want to like it--I really do. However, it requires too many gear,equipment, and power choices to make it perform like it should without them.
My Shadow? With the blade attachment (needed for the 25% melee boost) it is a ******-poor excuse for a shotgun. Solution? Carry the Acolyte + blade attachment, put shredder and smart-choke on the Wraith, take the Berserker package (+10 melee / +10 shotgun damage) and use either AP2+ or WA3/4 on it. Only then, does it become moderately usable. But then your cooldown suffers slightly and you have to alternate between weapons when shadow-striking (especially Phantoms).

As for it being a UR, well, it was obviously a UR "made in China". Bottom line? As I mentioned earlier, players shouldn't have to use gear,equipment, and power choices to make it perform like it should (given its UR status) without them.

PS I should have mentioned, I only ever use it on Gold. I would never consider it on Platinum. Further, I don't care how well it does or doesn't fare on Silver or Bronze. To me, a weapon should be judged by how effective it is on the greater difficulty levels only. A "wow--this is so cool" weapon on Bronze or Silver is very likely to be utter garbage and completely Eagle on Gold.

Modifié par 121210Olivia, 22 septembre 2012 - 11:39 .


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Arppis

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121210Olivia wrote...

I want to like it--I really do. However, it requires too many gear,equipment, and power choices to make it perform like it should without them.
My Shadow? With the blade attachment (needed for the 25% melee boost) it is a ******-poor excuse for a shotgun. Solution? Carry the Acolyte + blade attachment, put shredder and smart-choke on the Wraith, take the Berserker package (+10 melee / +10 shotgun damage) and use either AP2+ or WA3/4 on it. Only then, does it become moderately usable. But then your cooldown suffers slightly and you have to alternate between weapons when shadow-striking (especially Phantoms).

As for it being a UR, well, it was obviously a UR "made in China". Bottom line? As I mentioned earlier, players shouldn't have to use gear,equipment, and power choices to make it perform like it should (given its UR status) without them.


Well... You sure have played this game a lot. :lol:

So I'll take your word for it.

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I use it on my FQI.

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121210Olivia

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Arppis wrote...

121210Olivia wrote...


Well... You sure have played this game a lot. :lol:

So I'll take your word for it.


I <3 this game. Seriously!

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Cyonan wrote...

You've already pointed out the flaws in theorycrafting. Due to that many flaws and the fact that numbers must be estimated, it is no longer the best tool to be used in balancing things.


What is the best tool? Arbitrary guesses? Listening to people who think that the Eagle is anything other than an embarrassing piece of rubbish?

That's a crock of **** and you know it -- or maybe you don't. Maybe you've been convinced that intuition carries any validity whatsoever. It does not. A randomly-weighted linear model is more accurate than intuition. Theorycrafting is the only valid way to obtain a picture of utility that has any -- ANY -- validity whatosever. You experimentally supplement initial estimates with more refined ones. Speaking of which--

Cyonan wrote...

As pointed out the Claymore only theoretically broke 800 sustained DPS, but nobody could actually pull off perfect reloads.


Pure reaction times for the expected player demographic are such that you could go purely by reaction and pull off 778 sustained DPS -- which was, at the time, HIGHER THAN ANY OTHER ****ING GUN. You can EASILY exceed 0.1s lag time with practice, increasing the gap.

Cyonan wrote...

I've used the Wraith in speed runs.


Clearly wasn't a good one.

Cyonan wrote...

Your first shot will(or should) always be charged with any weapons that are chargable.


Nonsense. Total nonsense. You only charge when

1) There are NO other targets in range
2) Your next action is likely to be a shot
3) Your gun does not need to be reloaded

This basically means that you charge while running between targets after reloading. As someone who makes extensive use of the Acolyte, the occasions on which I have an opportunity to pre-charge my gun are limited. Unless I'm doing Glacier and have just crushed a spawn, there's probably someone else waiting in line to be shot.

Cyonan wrote...

The Hurricane wins by a larger margin on health/armour than the Talon does on shields/barriers, and the Hurricane is lighter.


If we're talking about other things, the Hurricane is also less accurate and, you know, completely unobtainable. But I thought you wanted to set that stuff aside.

If I had a Hurricane X, I'd use the **** out of it. Alas, I do not. :mellow:

Cyonan wrote...

I'm not talking about an isolated case here. The only thing in which the Talon can compete(provided you're in range) over the Javelin for a weapons user is the Prime or Banshee.

However if you look at DPS numbers, Wraith is middle of the pack for Ultra-Rares. The ones that it beats are:

Javelin(Can't really calculate burst for this one)
Sabre
Scorpion
Black Widow
Indra

It might even beat the N7 Typhoon.


Sniper rifles: Duh. Of course they do. If only the game didn't ruin long-range combat with perfect enemy accuracy... Though to be unfair, the Indra with the SR bonus from TC will out-DPS the Wraith. Just sayin.'

Scorpion: Only assuming one hit per shot.  1.31 hits per shot -- 2 targets hit every third shot would be more than enough -- will put the Scorpion's DPS above the Wraith's. Also, stagger, which is most of the reason I see most people using the gun.

Sabre: Oh, I do think the Saber needs a buff as well, but it's still basically a sniper rifle without a scope -- or a Paladin with gimped ROF and higher recoil. :unsure:

N7 Typhoon: Against health, this is true -- albeit slightly. Against everything else, the Typhoon wins handily thanks the the +50% modifiers.

Cyonan wrote...

Also if we're using just DPS numbers, then I could call the Carnifex the worst pistol in the game. Funny how it used to be the best pistol in the game, and not every pistol has been buffed.


It wasn't ever the best, At launch, it was 21st in burst DPS and 15th in sustained (no RC) DPS -- I made sortable DPS tables back then and still have them.

It also isn't used now because it's best. It is used because it's a versatile weapon for those whose focus is not weapons. It's easy-to-use and all-range Aiming a Mantis while setting off biotic combos doesn't work very well. Bringing a Claymore will crush your cooldowns. The Carnifex happens to fall into a nice spot, filling all ranges and having no particular weaknesses without harming cooldowns. Light and versatile.

Modifié par Gamemako, 22 septembre 2012 - 03:02 .


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Just unlocked the Wraith I this weekend, so I put it on my Demolisher and gave her a Paladin II as backup. So a shotgun with 2 shots and a pistol with 3 shots per clip.

Actually was pretty fun. It's only somewhat heavier than my Eviscerator X and works pretty much the same w/a bit more damage. It has pretty good range so I'll use that on my not-very-durable characters and use the Piranha for my close combat specialists.

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I actually use it on my Krogan Sentinel and it's good

Lightweight and fast, it give me 180% cooldown if i choose all weapons as passives.

The QFE also benefits much from the wraith.. I don't use Reload Cancel.

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121210Olivia wrote...

I want to like it--I really do. However, it requires too many gear,equipment, and power choices to make it perform like it should without them.
My Shadow? With the blade attachment (needed for the 25% melee boost) it is a ******-poor excuse for a shotgun. Solution? Carry the Acolyte + blade attachment, put shredder and smart-choke on the Wraith, take the Berserker package (+10 melee / +10 shotgun damage) and use either AP2+ or WA3/4 on it. Only then, does it become moderately usable. But then your cooldown suffers slightly and you have to alternate between weapons when shadow-striking (especially Phantoms).

As for it being a UR, well, it was obviously a UR "made in China". Bottom line? As I mentioned earlier, players shouldn't have to use gear,equipment, and power choices to make it perform like it should (given its UR status) without them.

PS I should have mentioned, I only ever use it on Gold. I would never consider it on Platinum. Further, I don't care how well it does or doesn't fare on Silver or Bronze. To me, a weapon should be judged by how effective it is on the greater difficulty levels only. A "wow--this is so cool" weapon on Bronze or Silver is very likely to be utter garbage and completely Eagle on Gold.

Quoted for mothalovin' TROOF

I love the Wraith, but it does feel a bit poor without gear. It needs higher fire rate and innate piercing.

#134
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I use it and i must say its a fine shotgun if you have it on high level that is (mine is X thats the time when i start using it). Il tag it along with my GI with proxi you can take out phantoms with 2 shots even with their bubble up. And one headshot when they are in cover. Its a sight when you need to reload such a "gangster" way "klik klik" Its a powerful weapon on gold and viable on platinum. The best thing about it is its light weight so it allows you to use your powers often. It also is good at long range if you equip shotgun smart choke...

The only drawback is its low RoF...but some classes can "bypass" that for example the turian and its "marksman" ability or with the GI hunter mode with increased RoF. And it would be nice if they increase the damage output an UR shotgun beaten by a rare shotgun "Claymore", maybe because of its light weight as compensation?

Modifié par LawShadow, 24 septembre 2012 - 02:33 .


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Decent damage, a little too heavy yet, and the small clip keep it from greatness .  It's about 4th on my shotty list now that it's a Level V

1st -  Eviscerator, Claymore, Pirhana, and Wraith.

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It works great for me on my kroguard. Ill just charge into a boss fire a shot, melee, fire my second shot, melee, repeat. You should be able to kill any bosses at half armor if using this method. It also helps you have a 7, I only have a 3 :(

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I use it all the time, in fact. It needs a tiny buff, true, but I can still get good results with a Wraith/Paladin combo.

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 I do. When I get bored of the Reegar. If there is a class I can afford to put the heavy Claymore on, there is no way i'd put the Wraith on since the advantage the Wraith has is the weight.

I don't even like the the Talon or Piranha, so I rarely use it.

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FROST4584 wrote...

The last time , I used the Wraith was in the demo.


wraith was never in the demo...

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For all you wraith fans and haters alike!

Eric Fagnan wrote...

We will be looking at the Wraith for next week's changes.


Keep the feedback coming!!!

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 26 septembre 2012 - 06:08 .


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nope, still won't after the incoming 8-10% buff

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Barge6000 wrote...

nope, still won't after the incoming 8-10% buff

 if it was only a 10% buff, eric Fagnan wouldnt have released info...
 they have already learned those 10% buffs are crap...
look at the last 3 weeks of balance changes, they are much more detailed into guns actual deficiencies.
i would expect minor buffs on multiple facets of the gun, probably the ROF people have aked for since day 1.
im not trying to act like i know anything special, i just KNOW a 10% buff is useless, and so do the devs lately.