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[Knight of Dane]

Sorry for sucking at my fourth language on an internet forum.

Can you tell me where it's difficult to understand exaclty? Where in my original post do I express a personal want for the man to quit?

Modifié par Knight of Dane, 13 février 2013 - 06:17 .

[Fast Jimmy]

RetroActiv wrote...

Well to be fair you have some awkward sentence structure at times which makes it difficult to understand the points your trying to make. I don't think fans think romances are  a horrible thing. Some of us just don't think it should be a mandatory thing.

I don't think romances in Bioware games are a mandatory thing. Nor do I think they are forced down our throats all that much.

I'd rather that the focus of the writing, cinematic and animation teams be used for something that actually advances the plot, instead of going towards side content that amounts to a "maximize approval: see the sex scene" type content.

I don't have anything against it... I just don't think its important and shouldn't take away from the focus of the rest of the game.

And I think if the writers wanted to explore a game without them, then they should feel free to do so, if they think it would allow them to tell a better story. Lots of elements about DA:O that I loved (silent protagonist, playable origins, multiple races, no dialogue wheel, less cinematic focus) was sacrificed because they felt they could tell a better story in DA2 and now DA3. It didn't really work for me in DA2, but it might in DA3. But I don't see why romances should be a golden idol that no one dare to even think about touching.

[Knight of Dane]

It shouldn't

Fans just *liek*

[Fast Jimmy]

Knight of Dane wrote...

It shouldn't

Fans just *liek*

There is such a thing as liking something too much.

Some fans of DA:O would have liked the tactical aspects of combat focused on and expanded so much it would become more of a RTS simulator with pause and play function. Other fans would have wanted more and more custom appearances, so that it becomes little more than Kingdoms of Amalur, where your race, class, gender and appearance are customizable to a degree that it all becomes totally changeable, but all of it has no bearing on anything in the story. Others would have more branching or variable content, so that the game itself wind up only being 10 hours long, but you could play it ten times and not see the same thing.

Romance fans want more and more types of romance characters, different sexual combinations, different personality meshes, different scenario setups, different racial options, etc., etc. But if Bioware put even a tenth the amount of importance on romances that some of the romance fans do, then it would be a AAA, crossplatform dating sim. It would destroy the game as a whole just to give fans what they keep clamoring for. That's not something I approve of.

Moderation. Romance fans need it.

[Knight of Dane]

Nah, I haven't really experienced that.

Everyone wants more of something, especially something they like. Don't need eight lines to make that point buddy.

Right personally what would be optimal for me would be one romance for each sexuality and gender, I don't place too much importance on race.
That's six in total, couple that with just a pinch more content than was in DA2 and I think I'd be pretty happy.

Do you thinkt that is too much?
Just curious.

[Renmiri1]

RetroActiv wrote...

Honestly i wouldn't mind as i think it would be a nice change of pace. They're beginning to feel forced anyway. Of course that isn't going to happen though.

Urgh... Is that thread again.

Romance is not mandatory, combat is. Soundtrack is not mandatory. Lets make a game with just combat so you can feel badass and not be embarassed to say you play it.

Or you could grow up and learn to own up to the games you enjoy. Or get better at hiding your love for games your playmates make fun of you for liking.

Seriously, in a world where Bronies exist, having grown ups embarassed for liking a game that has a few romances is very very childish!

Get a thicker skin and leave the romance alone!

PS: Self Confidence. Romance bashers need it.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 13 février 2013 - 06:46 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Renmiri1 wrote...

RetroActiv wrote...

Honestly i wouldn't mind as i think it would be a nice change of pace. They're beginning to feel forced anyway. Of course that isn't going to happen though.

Urgh... Is that thread again.

Romance is not mandatory, combat is. Soundtrack is not mandatory. Lets make a game with just combat so you can feel badass and not be embarassed to say you play it.

Or you could grow up and learn to own up to the games you enjoy. Or get better at hiding your love for games your playmates make fun of you for liking.

Seriously, in a world where Bronies exist, having grown ups embarassed for liking a game that has a few romances is very very childish!

Get a thicker skin and leave the romance alone!

PS: Self Confidence. Romance bashers need it.

Oh, Renmiri. If you only KNEW the level of self-confidence I had.

It is not a childish demand that romances are "icky" or that fans of the games who don't want them to become a larger focus than they already are somehow immature. Let's not forget who is asking for more pixel characters to pretend to love. 

It is a feature. A type of content. It is not bad, in-and-of-itself, but when the romance content is done to the level of satifaction for many romance fans in both DA2 and ME3, but the actual main plot is NOT done to the level of satisfaction for many story fans in both DA2 and ME3, then I'd say the actual main plot needs work and attention before more romance content. Plain and simple.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 13 février 2013 - 07:04 .

[RetroActiv]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

RetroActiv wrote...

Well to be fair you have some awkward sentence structure at times which makes it difficult to understand the points your trying to make. I don't think fans think romances are  a horrible thing. Some of us just don't think it should be a mandatory thing.

I don't think romances in Bioware games are a mandatory thing. Nor do I think they are forced down our throats all that much.

I'd rather that the focus of the writing, cinematic and animation teams be used for something that actually advances the plot, instead of going towards side content that amounts to a "maximize approval: see the sex scene" type content.

I don't have anything against it... I just don't think its important and shouldn't take away from the focus of the rest of the game.

And I think if the writers wanted to explore a game without them, then they should feel free to do so, if they think it would allow them to tell a better story. Lots of elements about DA:O that I loved (silent protagonist, playable origins, multiple races, no dialogue wheel, less cinematic focus) was sacrificed because they felt they could tell a better story in DA2 and now DA3. It didn't really work for me in DA2, but it might in DA3. But I don't see why romances should be a golden idol that no one dare to even think about touching.

Well
technically they may not be mandatory but the writer's attitude suggests
they feel obligated to include them in each installment. I think DA2 suffered
in a lot of fundamental ways and I think overemphasis on romances is one of the
issues played a part in that. At best romances should be an afterthought, not a
priority.

Modifié par RetroActiv, 13 février 2013 - 07:01 .

[Fast Jimmy]

^

Ah, I misunderstood. You meant mandatory for Bioware to include, not for the player to experience. And I agree.

[Renmiri1]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Oh, Renmiri. If you only KNEW the level of self-confidence I had.

It is not a childish demand that romances are "icky" or that fans of the games who don't want them to become a larger focus than they already are somehow immature. Let's not forget who is asking for more pixel characters to pretend to love. 

It is a feature. A type of content. It is not bad, in-and-of-itself, but when the romance content is done to the level of satifaction for many romance fans in both DA2 and ME3, but the actual main plot is done to the level of satisfaction for many story fans in both DA2 and ME3, then I'd say the actual main plot needs work and attention before more romance content. Plain and simple.

Thinking something is "icky" is not childish ? 

ME3 lacked in story. Period. Every aspect of it except Tuchanka / Ranoch was badly done. Most romances were also badly handled. DA2 had a rushed 3rd act.  None of it it is the fault of the soundtrack, the combat system or the topics touched by the plot, romance being just one of them. Might as well blame reused dungeons and enemy waves on romance too.

I never suspected you were one of the "romance is icky" crowd. Or one that pretends to slay dragons with a toy sword. That is not why I play DA. It is not why I like romances in games, movies and books either. If it is the way you play it explains all your objection to romance and bisexuality. You think you are being forced to participate in stuff that is not to your taste. Guess what, you don't have to.

And you don't have to tell your friends you play Bioware games,  like My Little Pony or the Spice Girls. 

Of course the mature, self confident thing to do is like what you like and tell any friend that makes fun of you to F**k off. But hey, whatever makes it easier for you 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 13 février 2013 - 07:11 .

[Fast Jimmy]

<facepalm>

Please reread my statement that you just quoted.

Asking that romances be turned down or even removed is not the same as saying they are icky. That is almost verbatim what I said.

[Straw Nihilist]

Jimmy, quickly!

[FodoSatoru]

Yes, I would play it with pleasure, because the lack of romance options would unlock resources to implement more interesting things.Also, I would enjoy a whine-storm on the forums.

Modifié par FodoSatoru, 13 février 2013 - 07:36 .

[Roxy]

Probably not,I understand some people would be fine without romances which is fine but I think in a RPG game romance adds spice or something good to it. Hey at least we get a choice in the DA games if you want to romance someone or not. It's good to have those choices.

[Inquisitor Recon]

FodoSatoru wrote...
Yes, I would play it with pleasure, because the lack of romance options would unlock resources to implement more interesting things.Also, I would enjoy a whine-storm on the forums.

We think alike.

The only romances I support are troll romances that end horribly.

[FodoSatoru]

ReconTeam wrote...

FodoSatoru wrote...
Yes, I would play it with pleasure, because the lack of romance options would unlock resources to implement more interesting things.Also, I would enjoy a whine-storm on the forums.

We think alike.

The only romances I support are troll romances that end horribly.

That's right. Also, Chris Avellone from Obsidian Ent. shares this sentiment and, boy, are romances in NWN2 and Mask of the Betrayer disturbing! (especially the one with Safiya)

[Mantaal]

I dont care the romances very much. They are cheap and too unrealistiv for me.
But you should keep them for Girls like Renmiri. They seem to need a Hug here and there, even if its a virtual one

[Fredward]

It wouldn't be my favorite decision ever but I would still play the game.

[Renmiri1]

Mantaal wrote...

I dont care the romances very much. They are cheap and too unrealistiv for me.
But you should keep them for Girls like Renmiri. They seem to need a Hug here and there, even if its a virtual one

Married with kids, I gets lots of hugs though most of them are from little hands full of PB & J. 

[Volus Warlord]

DuckSoup wrote...

No romances?!

Pffft.

"All you need is love. All you need is love. All you need is love, love. Love is all you need"

Pfft when are you gonna stop this ra-ra love nonsense?

[Fast Jimmy]

Volus Warlord wrote...

DuckSoup wrote...

No romances?! 

Pffft. 

"All you need is love. All you need is love. All you need is love, love. Love is all you need"

Pfft when are you gonna stop this ra-ra love nonsense?

When Gaider makes the romances a bad-relationship minefield.

EVERY LI BETRAYS YOU. Perfect tag line for DA3.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 13 février 2013 - 08:22 .

[Sutekh]

One of the main reason I love DA is characterization and roleplaying opportunities, so, to keep it simple: Romance is part of PC characterization, PC characterization is part of my roleplaying, so romance is part of my roleplaying. Even not romancing when I have the possibility can be a great roleplaying thing.

I'd still play the game without romance (it's just a part, after all), but I'm not sure I'd enjoy it as much.

[Volus Warlord]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

DuckSoup wrote...

No romances?! 

Pffft. 

"All you need is love. All you need is love. All you need is love, love. Love is all you need"

Pfft when are you gonna stop this ra-ra love nonsense?

When Gaider makes the romances a bad-relationship minefield.

EVERY LI BETRAYS YOU. Perfect tag line for DA3.

That would actually be.. hilarious. Potentially challenging. 

If the lover was part of the story instead of some optional fanservice tack-on, and later became your enemy.. 

That sounds potentially interesting.