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[Darth Death]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Probably, why you ask?

Wanted to see the consensus.

[Dave of Canada]

Angelo2027 wrote...

I really think one of the things that gives life to the DA world is the romance so I personally think I would not play it.

Yes, romancing Merrill and having her obsess over you, having Zevran give you prostate massages or talking about sandwiches with Anders is what gives life to the Dragon Age universe, not the characters and the conflicts which lie within.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I would play it without a second thought. I've actually done romanceless runs in DAO and ME1/2/3 with zero issues.

[Todd23]

Yes. But I'll **** all along the way.

[Wynne]

I play RPGs that don't have romance all the time. Romance and interactive story are what I came to love from Bioware, and for me the two go hand in hand. Romance makes the world feel more real to me. 

If it had no romance, I'd wonder what the hell happened to the soul of Bioware and why they decided to start doing it like everybody else.

I surprise myself, because romance is NOT even close to my first priority in games... but I doubt that I would buy it. I like vanilla ice cream just fine, but the chocolate or fresh strawberries on top are mandatory. 

When I sit down to a nice bowl of the same ice cream I've enjoyed for a decade or so, I want the trimmings, too. Otherwise I'd just go buy some chocolate ice cream. 

Please don't ask what I mean by chocolate ice cream. It's just an analogy. 

[EricHVela]

Darth Death wrote...

ReggarBlane wrote...

Moot point is moot. I have no problems with games that have no romance. I wouldn't mind if DA3:I had no romance if the story was still good.

Yet, the game will feature it. We know this. If this thread was trying to use extremism to make a point, it's a ridiculous point (as are all extremist opposition arguments).

Your comment is somewhat bipolar lol. 

A personal attack? Really? That's your response?

[Darth Death]

ReggarBlane wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

ReggarBlane wrote...

Moot point is moot. I have no problems with games that have no romance. I wouldn't mind if DA3:I had no romance if the story was still good.

Yet, the game will feature it. We know this. If this thread was trying to use extremism to make a point, it's a ridiculous point (as are all extremist opposition arguments).

Your comment is somewhat bipolar lol. 

A personal attack? Really? That's your response?

Not a personal attack, just joking with you. It's hard to convey tone (mood or whatever) over the internet.  

[Plaintiff]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Angelo2027 wrote...

I really think one of the things that gives life to the DA world is the romance so I personally think I would not play it.

Yes, romancing Merrill and having her obsess over you, having Zevran give you prostate massages or talking about sandwiches with Anders is what gives life to the Dragon Age universe, not the characters and the conflicts which lie within.

You jest, but I'd say that's the truth of the matter.

Characters that joke, flirt and argue with you and each other are a hundred times more alive and engaging than the billions of identical cardboard cutouts that populate Skyrim. And their presence in the world makes it feel more alive by extension.

Romance is an aspect of character development. When you take that away, the character has fewer ways in which to develop.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 28 septembre 2012 - 01:42 .

[Alan Rickman]

Plaintiff wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Angelo2027 wrote...

I really think one of the things that gives life to the DA world is the romance so I personally think I would not play it.

Yes, romancing Merrill and having her obsess over you, having Zevran give you prostate massages or talking about sandwiches with Anders is what gives life to the Dragon Age universe, not the characters and the conflicts which lie within.

You jest, but I'd say that's the truth of the matter.

Characters that joke, flirt and argue with you and each other are a hundred times more alive and engaging than the billions of identical cardboard cutouts that populate Skyrim. And their presence in the world makes it feel more alive by extension.

Romance is an aspect of character development. When you take that away, the character has fewer ways in which to develop.

To be fair, those were very good massages. High dexterity.

[Felya87]

I'll still play it. but I admit, probably I would try other RPG than DA3. With the little elements of RPG DA2 gave to me, and the prospective af DA3 being very similar, the elimination of the romance would made the game meaningless.
It was one of the last thing I could choose autside the haircolor!

If there aren't romances, there aren't races to choose, no way to change a thing in the stoy, expecially the ending, what kind of RPG is?

Well, I'm going buy other games thar remember what is a RPG.

[Absafraginlootly]

Yes, I enjoy the romances, but they're not the reason I bought the games.

[savy33]

labargegrrrl wrote...

it would also be interesting to start out the game with a preset LI (like Aveline and Wesley were. or like some of the Wardens seemed to have.) that way it's not about the typical initial stages of a romance, but a chance to explore what a more mature, longstanding romance would be like in this universe. just a random thought.

I love that idea and think it would be a great example of the medium growing and maturing, although a lot of people would probably complain about not having control of deciding WHO their love interest is.

As for my opinion, I would have no hesitation buying a game without romance options because what's most important is the overall story and gameplay experience, although I will admit that I do enjoy the romance sub-plots as an extra. I just don't find them to be a deal-breaker.

[SirPetrakus]

Good riddance, I say.

[Legacy_of_Wrex]

I'd give it a shot. But the things I like most with DA, is the "your party interacts with and reacts to the world". My character's choices with my fellow NPC's, be it those that ends in great friendship (the scene where Oghren made his speech and stated that he will be the warrior my Warden had taught him to be, I almost shivered) or romance, it's a nice little touch that makes my character feel human. If I want a game where my character doesn't let himself waver, focused on the mission, and mission only, there are plenty of them.

I want my character to have something to look forward to, should Bioware allow him to live. (but heck, I'd have been happy if I got a friendly scene with my Warden, Alistair, Leliana, Oghren and Barkspawn who left the land together)

[Night Dreams]

I would still play it, because the story and world is what I play DA for, but I would be sorely disappointed. The romances just seem to add an extra depth and complexity to the world, and become what I believe to be a truly interactive roleplaying experience. It's another decision to make and see how it affects your story and another way to interact with your companions.

[snackrat]

Yes, though they'd then habve to go to extra lengths to put variance in for different relationship types (friendship/rivalry, probably) to provide different perspectives on the same characters. It's the characters that make me love Bioware games, and it is exploring them that provides an amount of replay-ability.
They by no means made it easy but HOLY CRAP, turns out Oghren is NOT as shallow and blusterous as he appears, if you're able to get him to approve of you fast enough. :U

[Pedrak]

Of course I would.

People speak of romances as if they are all the same thing.  But a romance in a RPG is not inherently good or bad. It's a (minor) game feature. There is bad romance, there is mediocre romance, there is good romance.

Good romance enhances the characters (ex. my goody-two-shoes Warden suddenly became more interesting to roleplay as he started romancing obviously evil Morrigan). Mediocre romance is meh. Bad romance is cheesy, "obvious", even embarrassing. 

None of them is mandatory, so I say let's keep optional romance as a game mechanic and hope for the better..

[syllogi]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Angelo2027 wrote...

I really think one of the things that gives life to the DA world is the romance so I personally think I would not play it.

Yes, romancing Merrill and having her obsess over you, having Zevran give you prostate massages or talking about sandwiches with Anders is what gives life to the Dragon Age universe, not the characters and the conflicts which lie within.

Well, the idea is that the player will care more, when Morrigan (romanced) asks to do the Dark Ritual, or Alistair (romanced) insists on doing the Ultimate Sacrifice himself.  And while I wouldn't want the ~power of lurve~ to stop Anders in DA2, it would have been nice if that scene (and the decision to end him afterwards) differed when romanced.

I can do without romances, but I like it when they're connected to the main plot in some way, and even if it means that you're getting broken up no matter what, it's more interesting to me, if integrated well.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

It doesn't need to have romance. It just needs to have sex.

[Wereparrot]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

It doesn't need to have romance. It just needs to have sex.

That is precisely what it doesn't need.

I would rather the game didn't have romance, or at least how they currently are anyway. A romance that doesn't end up in bed would be nice. Aragorn and Arwen don't end up in bed; why then is it necessary in games?  It seems somewhat juvenile.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

Wereparrot wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

It doesn't need to have romance. It just needs to have sex.

That is precisely what it doesn't need.

I would rather the game didn't have romance, or at least how they currently are anyway. A romance that doesn't end up in bed would be nice. Aragorn and Arwen don't end up in bed; why then is it necessary in games?  It seems somewhat juvenile.

I think you missed the part where he had son and two daughters with her. He banged her probably already before leaving Rivendel for the first time, and then when he made her queen as well.

Sex is a must have.

[Wereparrot]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

It doesn't need to have romance. It just needs to have sex.

That is precisely what it doesn't need.

I would rather the game didn't have romance, or at least how they currently are anyway. A romance that doesn't end up in bed would be nice. Aragorn and Arwen don't end up in bed; why then is it necessary in games?  It seems somewhat juvenile.

I think you missed the part where he had son and two daughters with her. He banged her probably already before leaving Rivendel for the first time, and then when he made her queen as well.

Sex is a must have.

But it's neither mentioned in the book nor shown in the films, and that's the point.

And no, he probably didn't 'bang' her at Rivendell. Tolkien was conservative and a Catholic, and his characters reflect this. Also, Tolkienesque elven lore dictates that sex before marriage was unthinkable.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

Wereparrot wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

It doesn't need to have romance. It just needs to have sex.

That is precisely what it doesn't need.

I would rather the game didn't have romance, or at least how they currently are anyway. A romance that doesn't end up in bed would be nice. Aragorn and Arwen don't end up in bed; why then is it necessary in games?  It seems somewhat juvenile.

I think you missed the part where he had son and two daughters with her. He banged her probably already before leaving Rivendel for the first time, and then when he made her queen as well.

Sex is a must have.

But it's neither mentioned in the book nor shown in the films, and that's the point.

And no, he probably didn't 'bang' her at Rivendell. Tolkien was conservative and a Catholic, and his characters reflect this. Also, Tolkienesque elven lore dictates that sex before marriage was unthinkable.

That as amongst the elves, but Arwen could knew that Elrond would opose her marriage with Aragorn, and could just skip right to it. 

And also, Tolkien lore is full of sex - the very first orks were created from rapes of elven women, inside the first underground fortress of Melkor (befor Angband), Turin banged his own sister and made her pregnent.

Also, Dragon Age is very far away from Tolkien lore, and turn a lot of it around (elves being outcasts, no orcs, no presence of gods, prelevant magic, humans are more numberous and more domminant, not to mention xenophobic - especially twoards elves.).

The game must have a lot of sex. It belongs to any serious dark fantasy. 

[aluanira]

Yes, but it would be disappointing.