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[ZombieGambit]

The Splash Screen says:

"Squad Goal: Extract squad on any difficulty. Squad must have 2+ players of the same non-human race."

The forum post by Chris Priestly says:

"Squad Goal: Full extraction on any difficulty with all squad members as the same non-human race. Requires 2 or more players in squad."

So which is it? All members with same race and full extraction or 2 members with the same race and any extraction?

BioWare, could you please clarify the Splash Screen like you did for the last Operation, please. And if it's possible re-run it for those that may have already seen it?

[Derek Hollan]

And the number of the team shalt be at least two.  Not one, but two.  And all members of thine party shalt be of the same species.  If thou hast a party of two, not one, and thou ist playing a Krogan, then the second party member must also be Krogan.

If thou hast a party of three, being the number that follows two, then all three of thine members must be of the same species.  If thou choosest Quarian, then thou may be be male or female.  All of thine members must be of the same species.

If thou hast four members then all of thine members must also be of the same species.  Four being not the number following two but after three, then all of thine members must be the same species.  If thou choosest Drell, then all thine members must also be Drell.  If Asari then all members must also be Asari.  If Batarian then all members must be Batarian.  Kits / class art irrelevant.  Drell Vanguard, Drell Adept art of the same species.

Five is right out.

Thou canst not win without all members making it to wave eleven and boarding thine shuttle.


I can go on and try to make it bullet-proof but that is impossible.

Cheers



PS - We only have very limited text to work with on splash screen.

Edited from orginal which stated, "canst", as opposed to, "canst not."

Modifié par Derek Hollan, 21 septembre 2012 - 11:53 .

[Derek Hollan]

LePetitRobo wrote...

Derek Hollan wrote...

And the number of the team shalt be at least two.  Not one, but two.  And all members of thine party shalt be of the same species.  If thou hast a party of two, not one, and thou ist playing a Krogan, then the second party member must also be Krogan.

If thou hast a party of three, being the number that follows two, then all three of thine members must be of the same species.  If thou choosest Quarian, then thou may be be male or female.  All of thine members must be of the same species.

If thou hast four members then all of thine members must also be of the same species.  Four being not the number following two but after three, then all of thine members must be the same species.  If thou choosest Drell, then all thine members must also be Drell.  If Asari then all members must also be Asari.  If Batarian then all members must be Batarian.  Kits / class art irrelevant.  Drell Vanguard, Drell Adept art of the same species.

Five is right out.

Thou canst win without all members making it to wave eleven and boarding thine shuttle.


I can go on and try to make it bullet-proof but that is impossible.

Cheers



PS - We only have very limited text to work with on splash screen.

Canst = can.
So full extraction is not required... right?

Doh'eth! Right!....Thou ist better versed in ye olde English than I.  Thou canst NOT win without all members making it to wave eleven and boarding thine shuttle.

Mine mistake.

Cheers-eth

[Derek Hollan]

JAMiAM wrote...

Nissun wrote...

That post is easier to understand than most actual religious texts...


...and some of the previous goal explanations.


PS: The Spanish translation for the splash screen was terrible, but hilarious.

Nobody expects the Spanish Translation!

Well played.  I almost spit my coffee out at this one

[Derek Hollan]

LePetitRobo wrote...

Derek Hollan wrote...

[edit]

Doh'eth! Right!....Thou ist better versed in ye olde English than I.  Thou canst NOT win without all members making it to wave eleven and boarding thine shuttle.

Mine mistake.

Cheers-eth

I'm probably older and Englisher than thou

Please, let us not compare age.

I have a twenty-three year old son. 

[Derek Hollan]

LePetitRobo wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Derek Hollan wrote...
PS - We only have very limited text to work with on splash screen.

Even with that in mind, though...

The Splash Screen says:
"Squad Goal: Extract squad on any difficulty. Squad must have 2+ players of the same non-human race."

Swapping that for the nearly identical:
"Squad Goal: Extract squad on any difficulty. Squad must have 2+ players all of the same non-human race." 

4 characters added, including the space. Is the space really too limited to put 'all' there? That's all it takes to make it so that the squad goal is accurately conveyed by the splash screen (pun).

Conveying that it's full extraction requires another 5 characters:

"Squad Goal: Extract full squad on any difficulty. Squad must have 2+ players all of the same non-human race." 

This probably isn't your deal, but with 9 more characters, it would be obvious to everyone what the requirements were. As-is, a valid interpretation is that two players have to be the same non-human race, and at least one person has to extract. A squad with an Asari Adept, an Asari Justicar, a Geth Infiltrator, and an N7 destroyer could, with a full understanding of the English language, expect to get a commendation pack. That's a problem.

Even clearer would be: Squad must all be the same non-human race, and be at least 2 players.
 

All good points.

We will continue to try to improve.

Thanks

[Derek Hollan]

ElfKeeper wrote...

But are African Swallows and European Swallows the SAME race!!!????
Well played Derek! Now you just need to explain all missions this way and we will all undstand it...next time do it Life of Brian style!

Haha, thanks.

As a rule, I DO always look on the bright side of life

[Derek Hollan]

Shia Luck wrote...

Derek Hollan wrote...

LePetitRobo wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Derek Hollan wrote...
PS - We only have very limited text to work with on splash screen.

Even with that in mind, though...

The Splash Screen says:
"Squad Goal: Extract squad on any difficulty. Squad must have 2+ players of the same non-human race."

Swapping that for the nearly identical:
"Squad Goal: Extract squad on any difficulty. Squad must have 2+ players all of the same non-human race." 

4 characters added, including the space. Is the space really too limited to put 'all' there? That's all it takes to make it so that the squad goal is accurately conveyed by the splash screen (pun).

Conveying that it's full extraction requires another 5 characters:

"Squad Goal: Extract full squad on any difficulty. Squad must have 2+ players all of the same non-human race." 

This probably isn't your deal, but with 9 more characters, it would be obvious to everyone what the requirements were. As-is, a valid interpretation is that two players have to be the same non-human race, and at least one person has to extract. A squad with an Asari Adept, an Asari Justicar, a Geth Infiltrator, and an N7 destroyer could, with a full understanding of the English language, expect to get a commendation pack. That's a problem.

Even clearer would be: Squad must all be the same non-human race, and be at least 2 players.
 

All good points.

We will continue to try to improve.

Thanks

I was going to post something similar to the two you highlighted Derek, because this really is a continuing issue and it's not like BW and EA don't have a PR department. Is this kind of thing run through PR people? If not, maybe it should be? Their speciality is language.. 

I can understand bug fixes not being easy. I can understand most every attack directed at BW and your defence. I am generally a happy person with ME3 and certainly a fan 0f BW. Things are rarely as clear cut as they seem, but one of my jobs is in PR.,,and while I don#'t have access to data, it really seems non-understandable how, when extraction is part of the mission, the message cannot clarify whether it is full or partial. The number of times the community has complained about that is ridiculous. The current message is so misleading....

The biggest problem I see now is that although you, Derek, get this feedback, do the people who program/write  the message get it? 

Have fun

EDIT: I should also say I appreciate you discussing with us. Am now thinking you get really not enough support from PR department

I fully admit, I must wear this.  Generally speaking, I am the last line of defense prior to the text going public.  After the design and production teams decide what they want, and the writers and editor decide how to interpret what the production and design teams are saying, I am then expected to come along and inspect it and say, "Yes, I THINK I understand what it being said here."  Obviously, this has been a less than optimal approach.

I will endeavor to serve you better.  Serve being in the context of assist.  Not cooking. 

Cheers

[Derek Hollan]

Shinobu wrote...

Cohen le Barbare wrote...

The only problem I had is that the splashscreen and the blog both mention "extraction", and not full extraction, which is mentioned only here. It's gonna lead to some frustration.

Full extraction is not necessary.

"Thou CANst win WITHOUT all members making it to wave eleven and boarding thine shuttle."

Canst = CAN
Canst not = CAN'T

Sorry, I did correct this in a post following that one and said, "...canst not.."

I will edit the original to reflect that.

[Derek Hollan]

Maybe I should sticky this until the operation is over, hmm?

[Derek Hollan]

Katanapt wrote...

Hi, im sorry for the off topic, but why cant i see that splash screen on ps3? I knew about the op from the forums but the vast majority of players i played with didnt even knew about it...

There is an issue with the splash screen on PS3 that causes a soft lock.  Addressed in the upcoming patch.

And, before anyone asks, we do not have a release date for the patch yet.  Sorry.

Cheers

[Derek Hollan]

RedJohn wrote...

Derek Hollan wrote...

Katanapt wrote...

Hi, im sorry for the off topic, but why cant i see that splash screen on ps3? I knew about the op from the forums but the vast majority of players i played with didnt even knew about it...

There is an issue with the splash screen on PS3 that causes a soft lock.  Addressed in the upcoming patch.

And, before anyone asks, we do not have a release date for the patch yet.  Sorry.

Cheers

Derek, just asking, do you think the patch can come before November?, just an opinion, not asking for things that I know you shouldn't answer

I really wish I could say.  It's difficult to predict what will happen between now and when we would like to have it happen.  Some things are out of our hands when it comes to potential delays. 

[Derek Hollan]

Merkit91 wrote...

Derek Hollan wrote...

There is an issue with the splash screen on PS3 that causes a soft lock.  Addressed in the upcoming patch.

And, before anyone asks, we do not have a release date for the patch yet.  Sorry.

Cheers

Derek, can you tell us something about those 7 missing weapon mods from Earth dlc? Will they be added to MP? How they will be added - via patch or dlc?

I expect we will see them again post patch