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[xx DJ ONE xx]

Derek Hollan wrote...

...Five is right out...

Lame.

Anyone part of a squad of five or more players that manages full extraction should be rewarded full upgrades to all of their promo weapons

[Teahouse Fox]

xx DJ ONE xx wrote...

Derek Hollan wrote...

...Five is right out...

Lame.

Anyone part of a squad of five or more players that manages full extraction should be rewarded full upgrades to all of their promo weapons

Ermm.....I think if five players make it to extraction in the same game, all they get is the banhammer!


This thread is full of Python win!

[teltow]

Derek Hollan wrote...
... Krogan....Quarian...Drell...Asari...Batarian...

Why do you hate Salarians and Geth?
Tell me. I'm a psychologist...

[PaperAlien]

Is it seriously that hard to just type a bunch of instructions correctly in 3 different instances?
At least they cleared it up this time though...

Modifié par PaperAlien, 22 septembre 2012 - 01:42 .

[Frosty10001]

Congratulations, this is now the first ever user-created thread that was stickied.

But, seriously, I didn't have much confusion on the splash screen, I just went by what was advertised on the thread on the forums.

[ChurchOfZod]

So in the middle of all the olde english and obfuscation can we get a clear, modern EXACT statement from a Bioware employee of what is neccessary to achieve the goal?

[Drummernate]

That...

Was the best explanation I have ever seen from a company ever.

Period.

[Enigma SS]

Had a ton of fun running wtih a team of 4 Vorcha Sentinel (Ghostbusters ftw) earlier on FB Glacier/Reapers/Gold, unfortunately we only got a partial extraction. Hopefully i'll be able to have a team that fully extracts later on today.

[DoubleHell]

This Operation is a PUG disaster.

The moment there are two characters of one race/species, someone will change their character to something other. Many are convinced that so long as there are 2 of the same race/species, they're fine.

The percentage of the total playerbase that visits the BSN forum for clarification is miniscule.

In the last 6 hours I have only managed to find and play 2 matches (on the PC) that meet squad goal requirements.

So much for the spirit of this operation...I had high hopes to find full squads of Asari, Krogan, Turians etc.

[Dorje Sylas]

I think the problem here is that you guys aren't translating the program algorithm your going to use to data mine the result to check to see who qualified. Those can't be ambiguous or the compute won't be able to actually run the queries.

You need to apply that same structure to how you word your goal posts.

If you have to cut back on "fluff" padding to get in a full understating of the goal, do so. Because anyone who gives a damn about fluff context is going to have read the more detailed blog post, or will when they sees the splash screen.

People are reading your goal as:

1.) Select * From [MATCHES_PLAYED] WHERE [TOTAL_PLAYERS] >= 2 AND [RACES_SAME] >= 2.

Where your doing something like:

2.) Select * From [MATCHES_PLAYED] WHERE [TOTAL_PLAYERS] >= 2 AND [RACES_SAME] = [TOTAL_PLAYERS]

Two very different statements.

Modifié par Dorje Sylas, 22 septembre 2012 - 05:34 .

[Shadohz]

Derek Hollan wrote...

Maybe I should sticky this until the operation is over, hmm?

Nope. You should have them put it as the Operation Goal popup on our consoles and PCs. Translating vague modern English, too difficult. Translating concise Olde English, very easy... unless you've been drinking it.

The players doth protest too much, methinks.

Modifié par Shadohz, 22 septembre 2012 - 05:37 .

[Nitrocuban]

Derek Hollan wrote...

And the number of the team shalt be at least two.  Not one, but two.  And all members of thine party shalt be of the same species.  If thou hast a party of two, not one, and thou ist playing a Krogan, then the second party member must also be Krogan.

If thou hast a party of three, being the number that follows two, then all three of thine members must be of the same species.  If thou choosest Quarian, then thou may be be male or female.  All of thine members must be of the same species.

If thou hast four members then all of thine members must also be of the same species.  Four being not the number following two but after three, then all of thine members must be the same species.  If thou choosest Drell, then all thine members must also be Drell.  If Asari then all members must also be Asari.  If Batarian then all members must be Batarian.  Kits / class art irrelevant.  Drell Vanguard, Drell Adept art of the same species.

Five is right out.

Thou canst not win without all members making it to wave eleven and boarding thine shuttle.


I can go on and try to make it bullet-proof but that is impossible.

Cheers



PS - We only have very limited text to work with on splash screen.

Edited from orginal which stated, "canst", as opposed to, "canst not."

Can we have the "Holy Grenade" from Monty Python and the Holy Grail for next MP DLC please. That´ll be awesome.

[the slynx]

Derek Hollan wrote...
...  And all members of thine party shalt be of the same species. 
...

PS - We only have very limited text to work with on splash screen.

Ugh. This isn't what the splash screen implies. It says two members of the squad must be of the same non-human race, not that all members must be. And again simply adding a modifier to extract makes clear it means full extraction. There are plenty of players in matches right now who are thus not fully informed during another community event that requires full participation.

Having 'limited text' to work with on splash screens isn't a very intelligible defence. There are plenty of shorter, clearer formulations. For instance:

Squad Goal: Fully extract a 2-4 player squad of the same non-human race (any difficulty).

That's shorter in both words and characters while also clearer than the BioWare written version:

"Squad Goal: Extract squad on any difficulty. Squad must have 2+ players of the same non-human race."

BioWare, you guys make great games, but you need an editor.

[Reorte]

Good, we've established what it needs to say.

Now write it out a hundred times before sunrise or I'll cut your balls off.

[zRz Tyr]

I am not even an english speaker, and i understand exactly what they ment.....

[Krantzstone]

torudoom wrote...

Derek Hollan wrote...
...  And all members of thine party shalt be of the same species. 
...

PS - We only have very limited text to work with on splash screen.

Ugh. This isn't what the splash screen implies. It says two members of the squad must be of the same non-human race, not that all members must be. And again simply adding a modifier to extract makes clear it means full extraction. There are plenty of players in matches right now who are thus not fully informed during another community event that requires full participation.

Having 'limited text' to work with on splash screens isn't a very intelligible defence. There are plenty of shorter, clearer formulations. For instance:

Squad Goal: Fully extract a 2-4 player squad of the same non-human race (any difficulty).

That's shorter in both words and characters while also clearer than the BioWare written version:

"Squad Goal: Extract squad on any difficulty. Squad must have 2+ players of the same non-human race."

BioWare, you guys make great games, but you need an editor.

What BioWare really need is a Chief Communications Officer.  You know, a Lieutenant Uhura, as it were. ;P

/wrong franchise, I know

[PreGy]

zRz Tyr wrote...

I am not even an english speaker, and i understand exactly what they ment.....

I think you don't understand the difference between:

"All players must be of the same non-human race. Minimun 2 players."

And:

"At least 2 players with the same non-human race"



The first one is what the operation asks for, the second one is what they wrote on the operation screen ingame.

As far as many people know, if there are 2 asari, a krogan and a salarian, the goal is completed, but it is NOT: So everyone who does not read the forums (so most people) don't have the right information for the goal.

Modifié par PreGy, 22 septembre 2012 - 12:16 .

[Warrenkh]

This got to be one of the most poorly thought out squad goal.
Firstly, the later it is into the weekend, the harder it is for casual gamers like me (who does shift work) to get into a group that is attempting the goal.
Secondly, on PC, most likely when I join, I get zoned into an active battlefield most likely with different alien species. So if I keep playing, I would be ruining other people attempting their goal.
Its a no win for people like me.

Modifié par Warrenkh, 22 septembre 2012 - 02:16 .

[nicethugbert]

Derek Hollan wrote...

And the number of the team shalt be at least two.  Not one, but two.  And all members of thine party shalt be of the same species.  If thou hast a party of two, not one, and thou ist playing a Krogan, then the second party member must also be Krogan.

If thou hast a party of three, being the number that follows two, then all three of thine members must be of the same species.  If thou choosest Quarian, then thou may be be male or female.  All of thine members must be of the same species.

If thou hast four members then all of thine members must also be of the same species.  Four being not the number following two but after three, then all of thine members must be the same species.  If thou choosest Drell, then all thine members must also be Drell.  If Asari then all members must also be Asari.  If Batarian then all members must be Batarian.  Kits / class art irrelevant.  Drell Vanguard, Drell Adept art of the same species.

Five is right out.

Thou canst not win without all members making it to wave eleven and boarding thine shuttle.


I can go on and try to make it bullet-proof but that is impossible.

Cheers



PS - We only have very limited text to work with on splash screen.

Edited from orginal which stated, "canst", as opposed to, "canst not."

Thine is a very entertaining treatise my good fellow.  Please, if thou would be so gracious, do continue.

[EricPhail]

Just a thought Derek, perhaps you should let the forums know the goal ahead of official announcement so they can inquire and clarify, allowing you to word the blog post and splash better.

Especially since they (presumably unlike you) don't know the goal from before seeing the wording and only have that to go on.

[jakenou]

Ye olde post by Sir Derek Hollan seemeth clear as a crystal absinthe bottle about ye olde squad goal, however if I may deviate from thouest subject of ye olde squad goal, I would like to gaineth clarity upon ye olde goal of thine allies. To quoteth:

Allied Goal: Kill 600,000 Atlas Mechs on any map at any difficulty.

As can be seen with thine own eyes, therest be no mention of extraction to the fullest extent for thine goal of allies, nor mention that ye party shall be either limited to the number of two, nor mention that ye party has thine requirement of being any same race, species or creed. I shall be humbled by thine most honorable reply.

Modifié par jkthunder, 22 septembre 2012 - 03:01 .

[bnm73]

Derek Hollan wrote...

PS - We only have very limited text to work with on splash screen.

Squad Goal:  Full extraction, any difficulty, entire squad the same non-human race (minimum 2)

Fewer characters and more accurate as to what the actual squad goal is.

[Kadoosh]

I have never, and will never see a splash screen...

I demand reparations!!!! /sarcasm

[Stinger14s]

AllTurian - Great Game... Nothing came close to us, and things died quickly atlong distance
All Krogan - Easy, not too fun... Hard to findthings to kill, everything died in seconds
All Batarian - AWESOME Game... Everything diedquickly, but a great balance of distance and melee galore!
All Assari - This was unexpected, we were a mixof Jusitcar and Adept - Everything didn’t die so much as float aroundeverywhere. Banshees went down in seconds and Brutes hardly got to take a fewsteps. The Explosions were EMENSE! 
----------------------------
going to try next:
GETH - Expect Fun andtons of glow
VORCHA - Expect tons offast melee
DRELL - expect grenadesgalore and tons of quick melee and biotics
Quarians - distancesnipers rampage (Tech will not stand a change in hell)
Salarian - Same asquarians only with more electricity

Modifié par Stinger14s, 22 septembre 2012 - 04:21 .

[billpickles]

Derek Hollan wrote...

And the number of the team shalt be at least two.  Not one, but two.  And all members of thine party shalt be of the same species.  If thou hast a party of two, not one, and thou ist playing a Krogan, then the second party member must also be Krogan.

If thou hast a party of three, being the number that follows two, then all three of thine members must be of the same species.  If thou choosest Quarian, then thou may be be male or female.  All of thine members must be of the same species.

If thou hast four members then all of thine members must also be of the same species.  Four being not the number following two but after three, then all of thine members must be the same species.  If thou choosest Drell, then all thine members must also be Drell.  If Asari then all members must also be Asari.  If Batarian then all members must be Batarian.  Kits / class art irrelevant.  Drell Vanguard, Drell Adept art of the same species.

Five is right out.

Thou canst not win without all members making it to wave eleven and boarding thine shuttle.


I can go on and try to make it bullet-proof but that is impossible.

Cheers



PS - We only have very limited text to work with on splash screen.

Edited from orginal which stated, "canst", as opposed to, "canst not."

Derek, I hear what you're saying about limited space, but the simple inclusion of the word "all" or "every" would have completely avoided this reaction.  Using the word "full" to describe extraction wouldn't hurt either.  And frankly, people wouldn't ride you guys so hard about this if it wasn't a persistent issue that there are valid interpretations  of your instructions that do not actually meet the squad goal.

Hopefully, you will accept this as respectful ctiticism.  I love the game, and I'll buy a ME4 if there is one.  But like many others, I would appreciate clarity on these events.  99% of players don't come here, so who can blame them for following a perfectly valid interpretation of the splash screen as written?

Modifié par billpickles, 22 septembre 2012 - 06:32 .