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[Gloatie]

Wow oh wow.

Yesterday I had no trouble finding a full group on the same page.

Looks like today the meme has spread and everyone thinks 2 players of the same race is the goal. I have been in 12 straight lobbies where that is the case.

I made the squad goal, so no worries for me. But, jumpin jehosephat you are gonna have some angry players if you don't change the goal retroactively.

Additionally, I see a low chance of meeting the community goal. If enough players are convinced that 4 is the goal, can't get a group to agree and get fed up, we are gonna have trouble reaching the community goal.

Wow, just wow. Epic fail.

[billpickles]

Gloatie wrote...


Additionally, I see a low chance of meeting the community goal. If enough players are convinced that 4 is the goal, can't get a group to agree and get fed up, we are gonna have trouble reaching the community goal.

Wow, just wow. Epic fail.

I don't know...I killed probably 50+ Atlases last night in just a few hours.  And the weekend is young...

[Iggister]

This makes me sad, as yes, I've run into peeps who were confused and thought that you only needed 2, even with a 3 and 4 man squad.

I did get lucky and got put into an all asari team when I was playing asari, and then in another game had to get on the mic to let my squadmates know. I like to do the squad goal multiple times, just in case. (The ONE time I did squad goal once and only once, I didn't get a pack...)

[Witchfinder]

Wouldn't it be nice if the match-summary screen just showed if you'd completed the squad/individual goal?

[LeandroBraz]

Derek Hollan wrote...

LePetitRobo wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Derek Hollan wrote...
PS - We only have very limited text to work with on splash screen.

Even with that in mind, though...

The Splash Screen says:
"Squad Goal: Extract squad on any difficulty. Squad must have 2+ players of the same non-human race."

Swapping that for the nearly identical:
"Squad Goal: Extract squad on any difficulty. Squad must have 2+ players all of the same non-human race." 

4 characters added, including the space. Is the space really too limited to put 'all' there? That's all it takes to make it so that the squad goal is accurately conveyed by the splash screen (pun).

Conveying that it's full extraction requires another 5 characters:

"Squad Goal: Extract full squad on any difficulty. Squad must have 2+ players all of the same non-human race." 

This probably isn't your deal, but with 9 more characters, it would be obvious to everyone what the requirements were. As-is, a valid interpretation is that two players have to be the same non-human race, and at least one person has to extract. A squad with an Asari Adept, an Asari Justicar, a Geth Infiltrator, and an N7 destroyer could, with a full understanding of the English language, expect to get a commendation pack. That's a problem.

Even clearer would be: Squad must all be the same non-human race, and be at least 2 players.
 

All good points.

We will continue to try to improve.

Thanks

Maybe the process don't allow it (you have to send the text to be put on the screen earlier), but you could put here on BSN exactly the same text that you gonna put on the screen. If the text is confuse, you will know it in 5 minutes, since people will start making question, then you can fix here and send to the screen...

[Zero132132]

LeandroBraz wrote...

Maybe the process don't allow it (you have to send the text to be put on the screen earlier), but you could put here on BSN exactly the same text that you gonna put on the screen. If the text is confuse, you will know it in 5 minutes, since people will start making question, then you can fix here and send to the screen...

Forumites have made this kind of request with some frequency. It seems like it isn't something they're willing/able to do. I used to think that the splash screen info had to be set up well in advance, and the process was nearly finalized about when they released the details on this forum. Thing is, two weeks back, they changed the splash screen a few hours into the op because they forgot to mention cobra missiles as one of the consumables we couldn't use, so I can't help but think that they sort of just don't want us involved in the process.

That makes sense, too; if we had a say in what the splash screen said, we might start to think we could influence what the ops consist of, and what sort of prizes they should offer. Once the customer (IE us) starts to feel a sense of control over such things, we tend to lose track of the gamer/content provider barrier. Just how people are.

[ReverendBeast]

Derek Hollan wrote...

And the number of the team shalt be at least two.  Not one, but two.  And all members of thine party shalt be of the same species.  If thou hast a party of two, not one, and thou ist playing a Krogan, then the second party member must also be Krogan.

If thou hast a party of three, being the number that follows two, then all three of thine members must be of the same species.  If thou choosest Quarian, then thou may be be male or female.  All of thine members must be of the same species.

If thou hast four members then all of thine members must also be of the same species.  Four being not the number following two but after three, then all of thine members must be the same species.  If thou choosest Drell, then all thine members must also be Drell.  If Asari then all members must also be Asari.  If Batarian then all members must be Batarian.  Kits / class art irrelevant.  Drell Vanguard, Drell Adept art of the same species.

Five is right out.

Thou canst not win without all members making it to wave eleven and boarding thine shuttle.


I can go on and try to make it bullet-proof but that is impossible.

Cheers



PS - We only have very limited text to work with on splash screen.

Edited from orginal which stated, "canst", as opposed to, "canst not."

Bring out the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch!!!

[P3G4SU5]

Derek Hollan wrote...

And the number of the team shalt be at least two.  Not one, but two.  And all members of thine party shalt be of the same species.  If thou hast a party of two, not one, and thou ist playing a Krogan, then the second party member must also be Krogan.

If thou hast a party of three, being the number that follows two, then all three of thine members must be of the same species.  If thou choosest Quarian, then thou may be be male or female.  All of thine members must be of the same species.

If thou hast four members then all of thine members must also be of the same species.  Four being not the number following two but after three, then all of thine members must be the same species.  If thou choosest Drell, then all thine members must also be Drell.  If Asari then all members must also be Asari.  If Batarian then all members must be Batarian.  Kits / class art irrelevant.  Drell Vanguard, Drell Adept art of the same species.

Five is right out.

Thou canst not win without all members making it to wave eleven and boarding thine shuttle.

So Derek Hollan read from the great Tome of Truth.

[Ravenmyste]

P3G4SU5 wrote...

Derek Hollan wrote...

And the number of the team shalt be at least two.  Not one, but two.  And all members of thine party shalt be of the same species.  If thou hast a party of two, not one, and thou ist playing a Krogan, then the second party member must also be Krogan.

If thou hast a party of three, being the number that follows two, then all three of thine members must be of the same species.  If thou choosest Quarian, then thou may be be male or female.  All of thine members must be of the same species.

If thou hast four members then all of thine members must also be of the same species.  Four being not the number following two but after three, then all of thine members must be the same species.  If thou choosest Drell, then all thine members must also be Drell.  If Asari then all members must also be Asari.  If Batarian then all members must be Batarian.  Kits / class art irrelevant.  Drell Vanguard, Drell Adept art of the same species.

Five is right out.

Thou canst not win without all members making it to wave eleven and boarding thine shuttle.

So Derek Hollan read from the great Tome of Truth.

you for got the  funny part .. when making party you must count one, two,three exclude thy self in the making since you shall be the race that matches the other three,,

[Ravenmyste]

Derek Hollan wrote...

Maybe I should sticky this until the operation is over, hmm?

yes please! sticky it i double dog dare you not to keep it stickied till the operation is over but to keep it forever stickied  that even chris cant touch it!

[prog_bassist]

Commendation packs should be rewarded to the entire community. I'm seeing groups with only two characters of the same race. It's not their fault that BioWare's wording was poor at best for this operation.

[Zaidra]

Izzameg wrote...

The linked blog doesn't say full extraction either so 3 slightly diff sets of instructions again. Not so bad for those of us who visit BSN ( apart from the occasional abuse when u try to tell PUG lobbies & general exasperation) but really unfair to those who don't visit forum

On the operation thread Chris clearified that it's full extraction, incase you were wondering.

And to the OP. Yeah, it's all the same non-human race, has to be at least two people (meaning you can't solo), and it has to be full extraction. 

If somebody of another race joins partway through (even if they leave) you still fail the goal, so... private your matches. 

[ZombieGambit]

Zaidra wrote...

Izzameg wrote...

The linked blog doesn't say full extraction either so 3 slightly diff sets of instructions again. Not so bad for those of us who visit BSN ( apart from the occasional abuse when u try to tell PUG lobbies & general exasperation) but really unfair to those who don't visit forum

On the operation thread Chris clearified that it's full extraction, incase you were wondering.

And to the OP. Yeah, it's all the same non-human race, has to be at least two people (meaning you can't solo), and it has to be full extraction. 

If somebody of another race joins partway through (even if they leave) you still fail the goal, so... private your matches.

Incorrect, if they leave it counts.

[Shampoohorn]

prog_bassist wrote...

Commendation packs should be rewarded to the entire community. I'm seeing groups with only two characters of the same race. It's not their fault that BioWare's wording was poor at best for this operation.

I know Derek has acknowledged his error, but a forum sticky is only going to help a small number of the players.  I just got home from a weekend trip and logged into MP to fulfill the squad goal.  The language isn't just unclear, it's completely misleading.  Properly worded, this could have been a great operation.  Instead it's a messy mess and leading to ****y exchanges between players. 

Modifié par Shampoohorn, 24 septembre 2012 - 03:39 .

[cake_killer]

I still need a game won and only have a little bit of time. I have no friends, am on PC and can't get a game going. Anyone able to duo a bronze or something, name is "zillek1212" and could use the help.

[keginkc]

I'm having the same problem. I can't get anybody to pick the same race. It's like people either don't understand the operation goals, or just don't care. Really frustrating. I don't think there's any way I can finish this one.

[Krantzstone]

[text]
Operation PATRIOT
(September 21-23)

Squad Goal: Extract squad on any difficulty. Squad must
have 2+ players of the same non-human race.
Allied Goal: 600,000 Atlas mechs on any map at any
difficulty
Special Circumstance: Escort drones travel at reduced speeds
Squad Goal Success: All squad members awarded a
Commendation Pack
Allied Goal Success: All players awarded a Victory Pack

[najzere]

Oh cool, so that's what a splash screen looks like.

The different splash screen message was unfortunate, but even the original message here on the forums didn't say it was a full extraction until two days after it was posted. Why do we have to go through this every single op? If you would just stick around and watch the thread after you post the op, you would be made aware of all the errors in the first five minutes.

[TMJfin]

I don't know why, but I understood what you have to do when I read the splahs screen. When I tried to explain that to other people in game I was called idiot There were also people who tried to make squads with N7 characters and when I told them that you need to be an alien race I was told to f*** off. People are too funny xD I did the squad goal with quarians, turians and drells, so I'm good. Waiting for angry people to come to forums "Wheres my com pack? I played with 2 N7 and 2 BF3 characters!!!"

[mak8tack]

People will always read and interpret words their own way. One squad I was in had a guy who complained every time we had an escort mission and more than one player jumped into the escort ring to speed it up. He kept yelling into his mike "hey, the challenge says to make the escort mission as slow as possible, so that means only one player can escort!"

[DiebytheSword]

So glad I ran this early on, I got one group to do it as Asari (we failed full extraction thanks to Phantom stabbity death), but then we succeeded as Geth.

[POSTNEPHRON]

ZombieGambit wrote...

The Splash Screen says:

"Squad Goal: Extract squad on any difficulty. Squad must have 2+ players of the same non-human race."

The forum post by Chris Priestly says:

"Squad Goal: Full extraction on any difficulty with all squad members as the same non-human race. Requires 2 or more players in squad."

So which is it? All members with same race and full extraction or 2 members with the same race and any extraction?

BioWare, could you please clarify the Splash Screen like you did for the last Operation, please. And if it's possible re-run it for those that may have already seen it?

Everyone extract, everyone non human, at least 2 people..

we were confused to, then looked again and late last night did it again all the same race..

[slab0meat]

I couldn't find one match where everyone used the same non-human species. Any one I found, it was, at best, 2 players with the same, then I would switch to match them.. never a full four.

WHY is it so difficult to be have a clear, consise Operation explained the FIRST time, instead of after the fact?

[Morgue72]

It was worse with the spanish translation of the splash screen (or so I've been told, my copy is set to english anyway), it didn't even say the right thing. Fortunately I played with pals and we set a all-turian party to achieve the goal without much trouble.

[Jills Toy]

ZombieGambit wrote...

The Splash Screen says:

"Squad Goal: Extract squad on any difficulty. Squad must have 2+ players of the same non-human race."

The forum post by Chris Priestly says:

"Squad Goal: Full extraction on any difficulty with all squad members as the same non-human race. Requires 2 or more players in squad."

So which is it? All members with same race and full extraction or 2 members with the same race and any extraction?

BioWare, could you please clarify the Splash Screen like you did for the last Operation, please. And if it's possible re-run it for those that may have already seen it?

I'm glad someone caught this. I assumed two members had to be non-human and I played that way most of the weekend. I did have one match where all were Quarians with full extraction so hopwfully I met both challenges. As far as Atlas kills, got to wait for the Monday morning tally.