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[shedevil3001]

it wouldnt be anything more than a cameo, bioware has already said theres no canon choices in this game, and not everyone did the ritual, as much as i like morrigan, it wont be fair to force the old god baby choice on those who didnt do the ritual, and i cant see bioware enraging the fans who didnt, just to make those that did happy

[Joy Divison]

No, because there was no Old God Baby in my game.

[TJPags]

This again.

I don't ever want to see the OGB. Morrigan, wouldn't mind her being back.

Not everyone has an OGB in their games, you know.

[Vandicus]

o Ventus wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Morrigan also said that the child's soul would be that of the Old God. The whole premise of the soul of the baby not being destroyed is that it never enters the child's body. Whereas in the case of a Warden, a Warden already has a soul, and by the Archdemon attempting to take its place, both souls are destroyed.

Since the Archdemon's personality/thoughts/mind are tied to its soul, which can transfer from darkspawn to darkspawn, what we end up with the OGB is either an Archdemon in a human body, or a human with a mind and no soul that is struggling with an Archdemon for control over the body. 

An archdemon is an old god that has been corrupted by preexisting darkspawn. Morrigan explcitly says that it's the soul of the old god, not an archdemon.

Urthemiel's soul not entering the child's body would defeat the purpose behind the ritual and Morrigan's motives for partaking.

I was addressing a statement regarding the belief that the baby will somehow not have been "destroyed". They don't have a human soul is my point. The soul never entered the body, so we either end up with a host body for the Old God, or a human mind struggling for control with the Old God's soul. The belief that the child is somehow unharmed is erronous. The child that would've been will either never exist(*human soul was never created because the body already had a soul) or will be in a struggle with the Old God for control of the body.


Also to anyone who will suggest that maybe the Old God will coexist peacefully, recall the rituals that the Old Gods had the Tevinter Imperium perform. Unlikely that this Old God will want to play nice. 

[Rawgrim]

The baby could actually be retconned. The player don`t know if Morrigan, if rejected, didn`t sleep with any of the other wardens while the PC was asleep.

[TJPags]

Rawgrim wrote...

The baby could actually be retconned. The player don`t know if Morrigan, if rejected, didn`t sleep with any of the other wardens while the PC was asleep.

Yes, well, anything can be retconned.  Very few things should be.  This is one that shouldn't be, IMO.

Modifié par TJPags, 22 septembre 2012 - 03:00 .

[Vandicus]

Rawgrim wrote...

The baby could actually be retconned. The player don`t know if Morrigan, if rejected, didn`t sleep with any of the other wardens while the PC was asleep.

You don't seem to get the difference between a foreshadowed plot device and a retcon. 

If Morrigan had completed the ritual the Warden would've lived.

*EDIT

To be clear people, I'm addressing this guy's belief in another thread that Leliana's survival constitutes a retcon.

Modifié par Vandicus, 22 septembre 2012 - 03:02 .

[Shadow Fox]

TJPags wrote...

This again.

I don't ever want to see the OGB. Morrigan, wouldn't mind her being back.

Not everyone has an OGB in their games, you know.

Yes plump,juicy Morrigan*sharpens murder knife* an old friend has been dying to meet you again*chuckles*

[Rawgrim]

Vandicus wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

The baby could actually be retconned. The player don`t know if Morrigan, if rejected, didn`t sleep with any of the other wardens while the PC was asleep.

You don't seem to get the difference between a foreshadowed plot device and a retcon. 

If Morrigan had completed the ritual the Warden would've lived.

*EDIT

To be clear people, I'm addressing this guy's belief in another thread that Leliana's survival constitutes a retcon.

This is true. if the child had been made, the warden would have lived. I stand corrected.

Leliana still got retconned thogh...

[NKKKK]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Deemz wrote...

Calians wrote...

Deemz wrote...

I wonder what the age of the OGB will be in da3. Anyone have a guess?

Around 10ish? Give or take?  Just my guessing 

so zero chance the PC is the OGB

Doesn't stop pokemon kids from saving the world.

I refuse to believe those kids are 10, way to sexualized and developed.

[Shadow Fox]

NKKKK wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Deemz wrote...

Calians wrote...

Deemz wrote...

I wonder what the age of the OGB will be in da3. Anyone have a guess?

Around 10ish? Give or take?  Just my guessing 

so zero chance the PC is the OGB

Doesn't stop pokemon kids from saving the world.

I refuse to believe those kids are 10, way to sexualized and developed.

In the original version Misty/Kasumi has no shirt

Modifié par Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke, 22 septembre 2012 - 03:11 .

[jkflipflopDAO]

o Ventus wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Morrigan also said that the child's soul would be that of the Old God. The whole premise of the soul of the baby not being destroyed is that it never enters the child's body. Whereas in the case of a Warden, a Warden already has a soul, and by the Archdemon attempting to take its place, both souls are destroyed.

Since the Archdemon's personality/thoughts/mind are tied to its soul, which can transfer from darkspawn to darkspawn, what we end up with the OGB is either an Archdemon in a human body, or a human with a mind and no soul that is struggling with an Archdemon for control over the body. 

An archdemon is an old god that has been corrupted by preexisting darkspawn. Morrigan explcitly says that it's the soul of the old god, not an archdemon.

Urthemiel's soul not entering the child's body would defeat the purpose behind the ritual and Morrigan's motives for partaking.

Um, what? I thought the Archdemons were the original magisters that made it into the golden city. They were cast back to earth as the first of the darkspawn, all the others were created of their will. At least, that's what the movie at the beginning of the game says.

[Augustei]

I dont, that'd be weird because I never slept with Morrigan and neither did any of my party members to my knowledge. I don't want Loghain's sacrifice to have been for nothing =P

[Ihatebadgames]

I always fixed her up,so bring out the OGB plot line.

[LTD]

Glimpse?! I wouldn't mind playing as the said god baby. I'm hoping for it actually! As long as ´the game made it clear to player and PC both from get go what he/she is. Idea of some terrible  YOU NEVER KNEW YOUR PARENTS.....MAKES YOU WONDER WHO THEY ARE?!?!? ALSO, MYSTERIOUS NIGHTMARES  prelude with SURPRISING AND DRAMATIC RELEVATION @ 45% through the game mark strikes fear in me.

Wouldn't mind him/her  being a joinable party member or the nemesis either.

Modifié par LTD, 22 septembre 2012 - 03:51 .

[Dave of Canada]

 If I see the baby on my dead Warden, I'll flip a table.

[Matchy Pointy]

Not as a big role, since that just messes things up for the players who didnt do it.

[LTD]

Matchy Pointy wrote...

Not as a big role, since that just messes things up for the players who didnt do it.

I really can't recall this stuff too well, recon I never even seen all the possible outcomes here buut..

Didn't Morrigan end up preggers no matter what? Either PC or Alistair or some Witchcrafty miraculous cheat pregnancy?

[Vandicus]

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Morrigan also said that the child's soul would be that of the Old God. The whole premise of the soul of the baby not being destroyed is that it never enters the child's body. Whereas in the case of a Warden, a Warden already has a soul, and by the Archdemon attempting to take its place, both souls are destroyed.

Since the Archdemon's personality/thoughts/mind are tied to its soul, which can transfer from darkspawn to darkspawn, what we end up with the OGB is either an Archdemon in a human body, or a human with a mind and no soul that is struggling with an Archdemon for control over the body. 

An archdemon is an old god that has been corrupted by preexisting darkspawn. Morrigan explcitly says that it's the soul of the old god, not an archdemon.

Urthemiel's soul not entering the child's body would defeat the purpose behind the ritual and Morrigan's motives for partaking.

Um, what? I thought the Archdemons were the original magisters that made it into the golden city. They were cast back to earth as the first of the darkspawn, all the others were created of their will. At least, that's what the movie at the beginning of the game says.

No the Archdemons are the Old Gods who the magisters worshipped. The magisters were the first of the darkspawn, according to human records(don't say Chantry records people, the Grey Wardens predate Andraste and the Chantry and it is known that the magisters became darkspawn, the records the Chantry uses on this matter are from other sources, not personally invented), but an Old God always leads the darkspawn when they rampage in the form of an Archdemon. The Old Gods are basically super dragons with telepathy, mind control, immortality, and they previously performed miracles of various sorts for the Tevinters.

[Harle Cerulean]

For me, personally? No, thank you. Reason being, my Warden refused her, so there is no OGB in my 'main' game (which I sort of regret because of how badly Zevran's heart was broken by my Surana's death, but I just can't see my Surana doing it differently).

I wouldn't mind if something was done with him for people who made that choice, but it shouldn't be anything major, or if it is, there should be something equally major for those who don't have an OGB - and that's getting into tricky territory of branching plots that I doubt Bioware wants to deal with.

And it's pretty well impossible to have the OGB be the protagonist. Aside from age, because eventually he would be old enough for it, 1) not everyone has an OGB, and 2) the OGB is confirmed to be male, and protagonists can be male or female in Bioware games. If you could simply swap the OGB out for a non-OGB hero for imported saves with no OGB, or for those who wish to play a female protag, then there would be no point to having an OGB protag. If he were interchangeable with other protags for the same game, doing the same things, having the same dialogue, relationships, abilities, etc, then what would be 'special' about him? Absolutely nothing, and you can bet that people would complain about that. And Bioware is not about to build an entirely separate game for those who have an OGB and want to play as a male protag, than for those who want to play as a woman, or don't have an OGB. It'd be simply impractical.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Don't care.
Especially about OGB.

[Funkjoker]

Vandicus wrote...

The belief that the child is somehow unharmed is erronous.

This is assumption. Morrigan was pretty clear in what she said.

Of course it's not a foolproof thing. However what BioWare could do with it had potential for a new DAO-expansion or even a new game.

[cindercatz]

Morrigan and the OGB? Oh heck yeah, for certain. Especially with my mage playthrough, seeing my Warden with his family. It's one of the things I'm looking most forward to in the franchise.

And headcanon is useless to me if we never see it. I've got ideas for everything I look at, so I'm not going to get all excited and satisfied over something I'm never actually going to see. It becomes one of thousands (or millions, whatever) of stray thoughts that fade into the ether. If it doesn't exist on screen, it doesn't exist at all.

edit: And I'm all about branching plots. So do it and do it full throttle. Just because it's a major event doesn't mean it has to take up tons of playtime or disk space, y'know? Same for the alternative if you don't have them.

Modifié par cindercatz, 22 septembre 2012 - 09:40 .

[Jerrybnsn]

Blackrising wrote...

...I actually don't want to see Morrigan and her god baby again.

I mean, I love her to death, but I can think up my own headcanon just fine, thank you. I just don't want my little Warden/Morrigan/OGB familly screwed up. D:

When did you see the OGB the first ime?  And all this head canon stuff doesn't make much sense when it's Bioware that is continuing on the DA universe with or without our inputs anyway.  We're kind of overreaching ourselves by thinking ahead of the storyline on what certain characters are going to do or where they will be, or even what options will be presented to our own Wardens in the near future of this series.

[Androme]

 I want more than a glimpse, and I believe we've been promised that, I have a quote stored somewhere on my computer from a Q&A session last year.

Now, before I copy & paste these quotes here, note that BioWare might very well have just shrugged these off and went in a completely differect direction, but here they are, regarding the OGB aswell as some other things I see alot of people screaming for:
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-The decision of whether to have a set character in the style of DA2, or multiple origins a la Dragon Age: Origins will be based on fan feedback. (So it seems like it'll be multiple origins IF they follow fan feedback, and IF they still stand by this quote)

-Melo stated that Morrigan was critical to the world, and so is Warden, therefore we will definitely be hearing about them or seeing more of them in the future. (this was an answer to a question i asked lol so proud #1)

-Melo dodged question about Sandal’s prophecy in DAII coming true or not.

-Grey Wardens are a “pillar” to what’s going on in Dragon Age.

-We will definitely see Flemeth again.

-The team will try to resolve the situation regarding the “Old God Baby”, and will try and show fans what happened regarding the child. (sounds pretty weak, I hope they do something more than this :@, then again, it also makes sense, seems like Morrigans existance is MORE important than the existance of an old god baby, hence why the old god baby is not canon but Morrigan being alive seems to be the case)

-Future content will see the same companions and love interests return. (I don't remember if they meant ''after'' DA2 or for future DA2 DLC, and I don't know which one it sounds most like lolwat)

-“Time will tell” whether or not we will ever see Par Vollen or “a few other cities.”

Modifié par Androme, 22 septembre 2012 - 10:16 .